Posted December 21, 2016 (TL;DR at bottom) So, all the hype around Ryzen is starting to cool off. As I staved off boredom today, looking back through older Linustechtips videos, I came across the 7 Gamers 1 CPU video and decided to watch the original instead, going all the way back to the 2 Gamers 1 CPU video. Watching this video reminded me of the time when this video had just come out and, being a teenager without a six-figure income, I had tried to find out if it was cheaper to make this rig instead of two identical performance-matched rigs. In short, the answer was no, with the CPU being the main cost restriction. The price delta going from a consumer 4 core up to an 8 core was too much on Intel's side, and AMD's FX 8xxx or 9xxx offerings simply wouldn't run that well on 4 cores per rig. This stumbling block made me a little bit sad, as the idea of sharing certain components between two rigs to save money seemed like it had a lot of potential. But here comes Ryzen. While we should be taking the pricing rumours with a grain of salt, all I can do is wait and hope that AMD will make the right move and force Intel into a pricing war. So without further ado… 2 GAMERS 1 CPU INTEL: PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x42sVY Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x42sVY/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i7-6900K 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($999.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Motherboard: Asus X99-E ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($208.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Kingston FURY 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($162.98 @ PCM) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.88 @ OutletPC) Other: 2 x Windows 10 Home License ($200.00) Other: UnRAID Plus License ($89.00) Total: $3268.08 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-20 19:49 EST-0500 INDIVIDUAL RIG INTEL: PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dftDQV Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dftDQV/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.89 @ OutletPC) Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.88 @ OutletPC) Other: Windows 10 Home License ($100.00) Total: $1597.86 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-20 19:53 EST-0500 I chose an i7 6900K on Intel's side because AMD has been keen to compare their 8/16 top model Ryzen CPU with it, and their benchmarks show they are fairly equal in terms of performance. As You can see from the parts list, by only changing the necessary components between a 2 PC rig and a normal rig, the 2 PC rig is just over double the price of the single rig. This defeats the cost benefit of the double rig. But what if we went with a Ryzen CPU for both rigs? This will involve a bit of guessing, as there is no set price on Ryzen CPUs or on any AM4 motherboards as of yet. For the CPUs, we’ll go with the rumoured USD $500 for the 8 core and USD $350 for the 4 core. For the AMD motherboard, we’ll go with a worst case scenario pricing-wise, and price it at USD $200 - Roughly the same as the X99 motherboard (enthusiast platform) used in the Intel double rig. 2 GAMERS 1 CPU AMD: PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gN7NYr Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gN7NYr/by_merchant/ CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: Kingston FURY 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($162.98 @ PCM) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.88 @ OutletPC) Other: 2 x Windows 10 Home License ($200.00) Other: UnRAID Plus License ($89.00) Other: AMD Ryzen 8 Core CPU ($499.00) Other: Nondescript AM4 ATX Motherboard ($199.00) Total: $2757.10 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-20 20:16 EST-0500 INDIVIDUAL RIG AMD: CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.88 @ OutletPC) Other: Nondescript AM4 ATX Motherboard ($199.00) Other: AMD Ryzen 4 Core CPU ($349.00) Other: Windows 10 Home License ($100.00) Total: $1690.98 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-20 20:24 EST-0500 On AMDs side things get more interesting. There actually is a substantial saving going from an individual rig to a double rig. This is due to AMDs (theoretically priced) offerings. These rumoured prices follow the business model of getting more bang for your buck as you buy higher tier models (while the jump from a 6700K to a 6900K is over double the price). This, combined with the fact that the AM4 platforms unifying these different models means there will be no delta in motherboard pricing. This results in the possibility of 2 Gamers 1 CPU now being a viable money saving option, even with the added cost of an unRAID Plus License. Of course, this is all hypothetical. This could well go down the drain if AMD prices Ryzen similar to Intel's current offering. But hey! One can hope! What are your thoughts on this? (Please let me know if I've made a typo or mistake somewhere) TL:DR (Going from rumoured pricing of USD$500 and $350 for Ryzen's 8-core and 4-core CPUs respectively) A Ryzen based 2 Gamers 1 CPU machine offers a substantial per-rig discount over a Ryzen based normal rig, while Intel's current offerings mean that an Intel based 2 Gamers 1 CPU machine is less economically viable per-rig over an Intel based normal rig. Ryzen may well make 2 Gamers 1 CPU a lucrative possibility. EDIT - HTML bits didn't work. Replaced with normal text. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 pls fix your pcpartpicker links... they're not links but unformatted HTML crap Main Rig: R9 5950X @ PBO, RTX 3090, 64 GB DDR4 3666, InWin 101, Full Hardline Watercooling Server: R7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB DDR4 3000, Cooler Master NR200P, Full Soft Watercooling LAN Rig: R5 3600X @ PBO, RTX 2070, 32 GB DDR4 3200, Dan Case A4-SFV V4, 120mm AIO for the CPU HTPC: i7-7700K @ 4.6 GHz, GTX 1050 Ti, 16 GB DDR4 3200, AliExpress K39, IS-47K Cooler Router: R3 2200G @ stock, 4GB DDR4 2400, what are cases, stock cooler I don't have a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 Author 11 minutes ago, tarfeef101 said: pls fix your pcpartpicker links... they're not links but unformatted HTML crap Fixed. Sorry. First time trying to use the HTML thing. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 That would be nice especially for LAN party's when someone doesn't have a computer (100% of my bad lans) Ryzen 5 3600 stock | 2x16GB C13 3200MHz (AFR) | GTX 760 (Sold the VII)| ASUS Prime X570-P | 6TB WD Gold (128MB Cache, 2017) Samsung 850 EVO 240 GB 138 is a good number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 You don't need an 8-core for 2 gamers, 1 PC. I've got a Xeon 1231 for my Steam server hosting 1-3 users. You can actually share every core through the VM's without needing to allocate them. Cor Caeruleus Reborn v6 Spoiler CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 2x8GB 3200/14 Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA) Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel Headset Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, ARikozuM said: You don't need an 8-core for 2 gamers, 1 PC. I've got a Xeon 1231 for my Steam server hosting 1-3 users. You can actually share every core through the VM's without needing to allocate them. Does it perform well? Considering it's less than 1 i3 per VM, roughly speaking. We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER-ER-ER PSU Tier List Now. (dammit @LukeSavenije stop coming up with new ones) You can check out the old one that gave joy to so many across the land here Computer having a hard time powering on? Troubleshoot it with this guide. (Currently looking for suggestions to update it into the context of <current year> and make it its own thread) Computer Specs: Spoiler Mathresolvermajig: Intel Xeon E3 1240 (Sandy Bridge i7 equivalent) Chillinmachine: Noctua NH-C14S Framepainting-inator: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid Attachcorethingy: Gigabyte H61M-S2V-B3 Infoholdstick: Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1333 Computerarmor: Silverstone RL06 "Lookalike" Rememberdoogle: 1TB HDD + 120GB TR150 + 240 SSD Plus + 1TB MX500 AdditionalPylons: Phanteks AMP! 550W (based on Seasonic GX-550) Letterpad: Rosewill Apollo 9100 (Cherry MX Red) Buttonrodent: Razer Viper Mini + Huion H430P drawing Tablet Auralnterface: Sennheiser HD 6xx Liquidrectangles: LG 27UK850-W 4K HDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 That would be great, but I personally doubt that we'd get $500 for the 8 core and $350 for the 4 core. I'd say AMD would price the 8 core more around 700-800 but even if they did price it at 500 the 4 core would probably be more like 250-300. Make sure to quote me or tag me when responding to me, or I might not know you replied! Examples: Do this: Quote And make sure you do it by hitting the quote button at the bottom left of my post, and not the one inside the editor! Or this: @DocSwag Buy whatever product is best for you, not what product is "best" for the market. Interested in computer architecture? Still in middle or high school? P.M. me! I love computer hardware and feel free to ask me anything about that (or phones). I especially like SSDs. But please do not ask me anything about Networking, programming, command line stuff, or any relatively hard software stuff. I know next to nothing about that. Compooters: Spoiler Desktop: Spoiler CPU: i7 6700k, CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3, Motherboard: MSI Z170a KRAIT GAMING, RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 4x4gb DDR4-2666 MHz, Storage: SanDisk SSD Plus 240gb + OCZ Vertex 180 480 GB + Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 7200 RPM, Video Card: EVGA GTX 970 SSC, Case: Fractal Design Define S, Power Supply: Seasonic Focus+ Gold 650w Yay, Keyboard: Logitech G710+, Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum, Headphones: B&O H9i, Monitor: LG 29um67 (2560x1080 75hz freesync) Home Server: Spoiler CPU: Pentium G4400, CPU Cooler: Stock, Motherboard: MSI h110l Pro Mini AC, RAM: Hyper X Fury DDR4 1x8gb 2133 MHz, Storage: PNY CS1311 120gb SSD + two Segate 4tb HDDs in RAID 1, Video Card: Does Intel Integrated Graphics count?, Case: Fractal Design Node 304, Power Supply: Seasonic 360w 80+ Gold, Keyboard+Mouse+Monitor: Does it matter? Laptop (I use it for school): Spoiler Surface book 2 13" with an i7 8650u, 8gb RAM, 256 GB storage, and a GTX 1050 And if you're curious (or a stalker) I have a Just Black Pixel 2 XL 64gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 I know it's pure speculation for fun, so no point in getting to picky. But just to follow up your premise, do you think it's likely for AMD to undercut the 6900 by 50%, while just matching the 6700K, no undercut? Considering they aim at matching the 6900, while staying behind Skylake in IPC terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 Author 24 minutes ago, ARikozuM said: You don't need an 8-core for 2 gamers, 1 PC. I've got a Xeon 1231 for my Steam server hosting 1-3 users. You can actually share every core through the VM's without needing to allocate them. I know you don't NEED 4 cores per gamer, but that's not the point of this post. The point is to look at the price delta between normal rigs, and their appropriate double rig counterpart. I decided to go with 4 cores per rig because that's pretty standard nowadays, and a few games are starting to refuse to run on anything less than 4 cores. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 Author 12 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said: I know it's pure speculation for fun, so no point in getting to picky. But just to follow up your premise, do you think it's likely for AMD to undercut the 6900 by 50%, while just matching the 6700K, no undercut? Considering they aim at matching the 6900, while staying behind Skylake in IPC terms. That is a good point. I personally believe that if AMD is going to price the 8-core Ryzen at $500, then they will also price the 4-core cheaper than the 6700K. However, these price points are based off of rumours, and they're probably closer than my guess could ever get to the real deal. AMD could be only offering a massive discount over Intel on it's top tier offering for the sake of being able to draw people into the AM4 platform. For all we know, that 3.4Ghz+ on the 8-core at an impressive 95 TDP could indicate that their 4-core will be able outperform the 6700K purely through clock speed. But that's just my speculation. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, Energycore said: Does it perform well? Considering it's less than 1 i3 per VM, roughly speaking. My wife and I can play Doom 2016, Rocket League and the Division off the machine concurrently. Cor Caeruleus Reborn v6 Spoiler CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 2x8GB 3200/14 Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA) Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel Headset Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 I multiplied the single build by two because I find that more equivalent and fair since the 2 gamers 1 cpu build is essentially giving you 2 separate computers. Just my 2 cents though. (I made the changes to this quote bold.) 3 hours ago, Dargenfire said: 2 GAMERS 1 CPU INTEL: PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x42sVY Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x42sVY/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i7-6900K 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($999.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Motherboard: Asus X99-E ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($208.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Kingston FURY 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($162.98 @ PCM) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.88 @ OutletPC) Other: 2 x Windows 10 Home License ($200.00) Other: UnRAID Plus License ($89.00) Total: $3268.08 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-20 19:49 EST-0500 INDIVIDUAL RIG INTEL: x2 PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dftDQV Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dftDQV/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($105.99 @ NCIX US) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.89 @ OutletPC) Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($164.99 @ Jet) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.15 @ NCIX US) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($399.99 @ B&H) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($124.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.88 @ OutletPC) Other: Windows 10 Home License ($100.00) Total: $3199.72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 Author 51 minutes ago, Montana1176 said: I multiplied the single build by two because I find that more equivalent and fair since the 2 gamers 1 cpu build is essentially giving you 2 separate computers. Just my 2 cents though. (I made the changes to this quote bold.) I realise that I didn't put the doubled figures in my post, but I talk about the 2 Gamers 1 CPU computer being double the price of the normal rig and therefore, not worth doing (since there is no money saved, its easier to save yourself the hassle of setting up UnRAID and just build two seperate machines if the cost is the same) QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 12 hours ago, Dargenfire said: That is a good point. I personally believe that if AMD is going to price the 8-core Ryzen at $500, then they will also price the 4-core cheaper than the 6700K. However, these price points are based off of rumours, and they're probably closer than my guess could ever get to the real deal. AMD could be only offering a massive discount over Intel on it's top tier offering for the sake of being able to draw people into the AM4 platform. For all we know, that 3.4Ghz+ on the 8-core at an impressive 95 TDP could indicate that their 4-core will be able outperform the 6700K purely through clock speed. But that's just my speculation. I really hope that will be the price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 13 hours ago, Dargenfire said: (TL;DR at bottom) So, all the hype around Ryzen is starting to cool off. As I staved off boredom today, looking back through older Linustechtips videos, I came across the 7 Gamers 1 CPU video and decided to watch the original instead, going all the way back to the 2 Gamers 1 CPU video. Watching this video reminded me of the time when this video had just come out and, being a teenager without a six-figure income, I had tried to find out if it was cheaper to make this rig instead of two identical performance-matched rigs. In short, the answer was no, with the CPU being the main cost restriction. The price delta going from a consumer 4 core up to an 8 core was too much on Intel's side, and AMD's FX 8xxx or 9xxx offerings simply wouldn't run that well on 4 cores per rig. This stumbling block made me a little bit sad, as the idea of sharing certain components between two rigs to save money seemed like it had a lot of potential. EDIT - HTML bits didn't work. Replaced with normal text. Talks about not having money Shows builds that are almost 3 grand. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 Even if the CPU is there, the problem is you still need two GPUs and a pricey hypervisor with two copies of Windows. At least on the bright side, a single OEM version would technically work since you're still on one motherboard :3 Unless Microsoft accounted for that. I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said: Even if the CPU is there, the problem is you still need two GPUs and a pricey hypervisor with two copies of Windows. At least on the bright side, a single OEM version would technically work since you're still on one motherboard :3 Unless Microsoft accounted for that. I'm gonna try this at work and see lol CPU: Intel i7 7700K | GPU: ROG Strix GTX 1080Ti | PSU: Seasonic X-1250 (faulty) | Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200Mhz 16GB | OS Drive: Western Digital Black NVMe 250GB | Game Drive(s): Samsung 970 Evo 500GB, Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 3.5" | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z270x Gaming 7 | Case: Fractal Design Define S (No Window and modded front Panel) | Monitor(s): Dell S2716DG G-Sync 144Hz, Acer R240HY 60Hz (Dead) | Keyboard: G.SKILL RIPJAWS KM780R MX | Mouse: Steelseries Sensei 310 (Striked out parts are sold or dead, awaiting zen2 parts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 Author 11 hours ago, michaelocarroll007 said: Talks about not having money Shows builds that are almost 3 grand. Makes sense Again, that's not the point. You could do lesser hardware, I was just establishing that there was indeed a substantial difference in price. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dargenfire said: Again, that's not the point. You could do lesser hardware, I was just establishing that there was indeed a substantial difference in price. The issue is that your thesis is "viability of a dual-VM vs. single builds". You're not giving two PC's for two users while the VM server is capable of giving 2 gamers respectable performance. Cor Caeruleus Reborn v6 Spoiler CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 2x8GB 3200/14 Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA) Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel Headset Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 8 hours ago, XenosTech said: I'm gonna try this at work and see lol You can buy a Volume key for the VM's. Though you don't need the license if a user isn't remotely accessing the server. Cor Caeruleus Reborn v6 Spoiler CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 2x8GB 3200/14 Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA) Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel Headset Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 Author 1 hour ago, ARikozuM said: The issue is that your thesis is "viability of a dual-VM vs. single builds". You're not giving two PC's for two users while the VM server is capable of giving 2 gamers respectable performance. Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. My thesis is about the economic viability. It has been proven several times - even on Linustechtips - that there is hardly any performance degradation with the VMs because UnRAID has PCI-E Passthrough and CPU virtualisation. QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, Dargenfire said: Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. My thesis is about the economic viability. It has been proven several times - even on Linustechtips - that there is hardly any performance degradation with the VMs because UnRAID has PCI-E Passthrough and CPU virtualisation. That's what I'm saying. You're comparing one VM PC for two people with one PC that serves only one individual. The price for both sets would be the same. Cor Caeruleus Reborn v6 Spoiler CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 2x8GB 3200/14 Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA) Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel Headset Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 Author 13 minutes ago, ARikozuM said: That's what I'm saying. You're comparing one VM PC for two people with one PC that serves only one individual. The price for both sets would be the same. No. The price for both sets would not be the same. Did you look at the prices I actually have in my first post? Sure it would cost the same for all the peripherals, but the point of a build like this is that it allows us to share one CPU, one motherboard, one PSU and one case between two rigs. Yes the CPU and PSU might have to be a bit more expensive, but it's still cheaper than buying two lesser ones of each (as I point out may be possible with Ryzen). QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 To be fair this is all assuming two things. 1) AMD's benchmarks are even close to accurate, which hasn't always been true in the past. *cough*bulldozer*cough* 2) Their Ryzen chips are priced really aggressivly as rumors state, and the AM4 platform has all the IO you need to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 22, 2016 Author 1 minute ago, Sniperfox47 said: To be fair this is all assuming two things. 1) AMD's benchmarks are even close to accurate, which hasn't always been true in the past. *cough*bulldozer*cough* 2) Their Ryzen chips are priced really aggressivly as rumors state, and the AM4 platform has all the IO you need to do this. Oh I realise this. I was hesitant to even dream of something like this until I saw Ryzen's launch event. I doubt AMD would have let those benchmarks be inaccurate. Can you imagine the PR hit they would suffer if Ryzen launched with less performance than they demonstrated. The pricing is a bit more of a stretch (which is why I put may in the title) and this post is a bit of speculation, but I can dream, dammit! I also doubt IO would be restrictive enough on the AM4 platform so as to not allow this type of build to happen, but who knows? QUOTE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REPLY Le USD $300 Second Hand Potato CPU: Intel i5-750 @ 3.8GHz Motherboard: Intel DP55WG RAM: 12GB Corsair Budget 1333MHz (2x2GB+2x4GB) GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 512MB Case: Cooler Master Elite Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB PSU: Cooler Master Generic 500W (came with case) Displays: 21.5" 1080p Acer G226HQL Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB (Mx Reds) Mouse: Logitech G502 Sound: Turtle Beach X12's Operating System: Windows 10 Yep... My peripherals cost me more than the rig itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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