Boycotts and Riots

[Urishima]

7 minutes ago, Centurius said:

You can't really complain about the MSM in the same post you link to memes.

Yes he can.

[PocketNerd]

2 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

A major exaggeration m8, sounds like someone needs to get out of their echo chamber.

 

 

Why do you think I'm here trying to understand the other side?

[Centurius]

Just now, Urishima said:

Yes he can.

Let me rephrase, relying on memes and in the same post complaining about media bias makes the latter point moot.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

conservatives have valid points about the effectiveness of the government in solving nuanced problems. The problem is when they start saying the stupid stuff like "Climate Change is a hoax" and "Natural disasters are God's punishment for gay marriage"

 

Case in point: Mike Pence and fucking conversion therapy.

^ Although you don't do things just because they're your right, you have the right to fuck a cactus but you don't see people lining up in droves

 

A major exaggeration m8, sounds like someone needs to get out of their echo chamber. As the son of Muslim immigrants, I can assure you no body actually thinks they're going to die (except maybe because of nukes but that's a different story) FUCK I JUST REMEMBERED BLACK PEOPLE -- unarmed black men getting shot and killed is not okay. But I don't think Trump's going to do much to change that either for better or worse

 

 

Comparing protesting against a President that you didn't vote for (and lost the Popular Vote - regardless of how that matters in practice) to fucking a cactus? Interesting...

 

I very much support those who decide to peacefully protest against Trump. The same as I support those who peacefully protested against Obama or Bill Clinton.

 

Though in a more practical sense, those who are protesting should instead rally the Democrat party to replace all leadership with new and revitalized candidates. They should also rally the NEAR 45% of Eligible voters who didn't bother to go vote. It would be more effective then peaceful protests.

[Praesi]

 

8 minutes ago, Centurius said:

Let me rephrase, relying on memes and in the same post complaining about media bias makes the latter point moot.

Aeh..no?

[PocketNerd]

1 minute ago, Praesi said:

You have serious Information holes.

Ok, indulge me. Also, fixed.

[PlayStation 2]

1 hour ago, PocketNerd said:

If you're hung up about the popular vote thing, then you're missing not only the point, but the actual source of the anger.

Yes, Hillary getting the popular vote is a part of it, but the main reason for the protests/riots is because America just validated Sexism, Racism, and Anti-LGBTQ ideologies. Minorities have already died or have been seriously injured from folks who fly under that flag, the fucking KKK has done a parade in Trumps honor, and they (Minorities) don't want the US to revert to 50 years ago.

People are quite literally fearful for their lives, and what happens when you back a scared, angry animal into a cage? It attacks in a desperate act to save it's life. This is what is happening right now, I'm actually quite surprised that it hasn't been a full-out civil war yet.

Thing is, Trump isn't sexist, racist, or anti-LGBT. I can tell you for a fucking fact he's not anti-gay marriage. On Sunday, he came on 60 Minutes and was interviewed, and he was asked about gay marriage. He said that he'd leave it alone.

[Urishima]

2 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Although you don't do things just because they're your right, you have the right to fuck a cactus but you don't see people lining up in droves

Their loss, honestly.

3 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

Why do you think I'm here trying to understand the other side?

Maybe start by stopping to make excuses for violent people. I don't care how scared they claim they are, they cross that line, their asses belong in a prison cell. Plain and simple.

[PocketNerd]

1 minute ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Thing is, Trump isn't sexist, racist, or anti-LGBT. I can tell you for a fucking fact he's not anti-gay marriage. On Sunday, he came on 60 Minutes and was interviewed, and he was asked about gay marriage. He said that he'd leave it alone.

Right, and I'm looking very forward to him sticking to that message and proving the Left wrong.

But that raises an even bigger question, why cater to the side that was anti-LGBTQ if he was never going to go through with it? How can we trust anything else he says if he'll go back on his word at the drop of a hat?

[Urishima]

4 minutes ago, Centurius said:

Let me rephrase, relying on memes and in the same post complaining about media bias makes the latter point moot.

No it doesn't.

[PocketNerd]

1 minute ago, Urishima said:

Their loss, honestly.

Maybe start by stopping to make excuses for violent people. I don't care how scared they claim they are, they cross that line, their asses belong in a prison cell. Plain and simple.

I never said they shouldn't be in jail, only their justification for their actions. Maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, PocketNerd said:

Right, and I'm looking very forward to him sticking to that message and proving the Left wrong.

But that raises an even bigger question, why cater to the side that was anti-LGBTQ if he was never going to go through with it? How can we trust anything else he says if he'll go back on his word at the drop of a hat?

Trump never really catered to the anti-LGBT crowd, it was more of a really stupid assumption under those guys' parts. Well that and Pence.

What I think Trump's goal was was to piss the media off so he could prove the media wrong in office.

1 minute ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Could have fucking fooled me. Not that I care though, I'm more concerned with his policies (and he might not be anti-gay, but he appointed the worst governor for LGBT people currently in office -- Mike Pence)

He did, but Pence cannot do shit about that. He just has to sit there and deal with it, and even if Pence got into office by any chance, he can't even attempt to reverse any LGBT rights and shit. It'd kill his political career right then and there.

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Except for Pence, this is mostly true. Case in point: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/ and Caitlyn Jenner visiting the Trump Tower. But then why Mike fucking Pence?

 

3 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Trump never really catered to the anti-LGBT crowd, it was more of a really stupid assumption under those guys' parts. Well that and Pence.

I think Trump chose Pence mainly due to how he controlled Indiana (or whatever state he was governor of).

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

Which is shit. I live in the most conservative city in Indiana (democrats don't even run for office here) and nobody likes Pence.

Yeah, I don't really understand it either.

[Urishima]

9 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

He did, but Pence cannot do shit about that.

@wrathoftheturkey

 

And Pence isn't really the anti-gay demon people claim him to be:

 

Link with timestamp to the relevant part of the video (but seriously, watch it all).

 

Why Pence, you ask? Well, probably because there are more issues than LGBTQ rights. So if Pence and Thiel can work together, then apparently Pence can put his biases aside when it comes to business.

[PocketNerd]

6 minutes ago, Urishima said:

@wrathoftheturkey

-snip-

While I don't exactly have the time to watch the whole video right now, all that section about Pence proves is that he'll buckle under pressure, but is default anti-lgbtq when left unchecked. That is certainly a step in the right direction, though I would prefer that he would drop the anti-lgbtq viewpoint entirely. Since it benefits everyone.

[dalekphalm]

9 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

true. But just because the other side might be stupid doesn't mean these people aren't stupid either. It's easier to walk around with a bloody sign and complain on social media than to, you know, do stuff

 

These are real people. You can't just lump them into a larger group and in doing so dismiss the valid ideas of that larger group

Could have fucking fooled me. Not that I care though, I'm more concerned with his policies (and he might not be anti-gay, but he appointed the worst governor for LGBT people currently in office -- Mike Pence)

I'm confused as to who you think I'm lumping into a larger group with what? I quite clearly stated that violent rioters are scum and criminals, and should be charged appropriately with the existing legal framework that makes rioting already a crime.

 

The vast majority of peaceful protesters though, there's nothing wrong with that at all. Some of the reason for protesting is to show unity, and to raise awareness.

 

Protesting by itself does nothing. There are many examples in history that prove this.

 

But protesting is not supposed to be a singular act. You're supposed to combine it with other means, other actions, such as gathering support, voting in new officials that more closely represent your views, lobbying the government to change laws you think are unfair (or whatever), etc.

 

People are still angry over the election. And frankly, the left leaning American populous is jaw droppingly shocked. They. Had. No. Idea. that Trump was so popular. Part of this is due to polls and the media, other parts are because Trump rallied huge swaths of rural voters that don't get a lot of media attention, regardless of what part of the political spectrum that they belong to.

 

Once they start to get over their shock, the democrats of America will regroup and will (hopefully) move towards action that will change things for the better. They can start by firing pretty much the entire DNC and DNP, and finding a new Democrat Candidate to run in 4 years (Sanders, perhaps? He might see that as his chance after the disaster that Clinton had).

 

We're still very early in the process. Hell, Trump isn't even officially the President for some time still - he could even (in theory) not be elected, if the Electoral College decided to screw him (they won't, it would be insanity and anarchy if they elected someone else at this point).

 

So yes, I quite specifically condemn violent protesters that turn peaceful protests into riots. But give the American people some time to digest what happened and form an action plan.

 

I personally think Trump + a Republican Controlled Congress and Senate are not good for America. For one, there's no balance and check against Republican ideals (Of which, ~50%-ish of Americans don't agree with).

 

But I hope I'm wrong. I hope that Trump actually is great for America. I just don't have faith in that.

[Urishima]

Just now, PocketNerd said:

While I don't exactly have the time to watch the whole video right now, all that section about Pence proves is that he'll buckle under pressure, but is default anti-lgbtq when left unchecked. That is certainly better than just changing your view to something that's better for everyone.

It shows that he is willing to put aside his own biases and to make compromises.

[PocketNerd]

1 minute ago, Urishima said:

It shows that he is willing to put aside his own biases and to make compromises.

Right, we're in agreement there. I just hope that keeps up.

[Urishima]

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

it would be insanity and anarchy if they elected someone else at this point

That would actually scare the pants right off of me.

[themaniac]

3 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

(Sanders, perhaps? He might see that as his chance after the disaster that Clinton had).

while I agree with you and Bernie, I doubt Bernie will run again due to his age he is 75 after all, he will be around 80 by 2020

[Urishima]

2 minutes ago, themaniac said:

while I agree with you and Bernie, I doubt Bernie will run again due to his age he is 75 after all, he will be around 80 by 2020

And some may never forgive him for endorsing Clinton. Many saw it as a betrayal.

[PocketNerd]

3 minutes ago, Urishima said:

And some may never forgive him for endorsing Clinton. Many saw it as a betrayal.

Where instead, it was meant as an act of unity. Bernie obviously didn't agree with Clinton, but he recognized that endorsing her (we could argue to the cows go home whether she cheated or not) since she was the winner would have been the best thing politically.

Honestly, I would have preferred Bernie won myself.

[Urishima]

Just now, PocketNerd said:

Where instead, it was meant as an act of unity. Bernie obviously didn't agree with Clinton, but he recognized that endorsing her (we could argue to the cows go home whether she cheated or not) since she was the winner would have been the best thing politically.

She is everything he stood against. She is Wallstreet and corrupt media made into flesh.

 

She certainly had not qualms when she fucked him over in the primaries. He should've told her off.

 

Anyway, I should've been in bed 2 hours ago. 'night.

[Praesi]

42 minutes ago, Urishima said:

And some may never forgive him for endorsing Clinton. Many saw it as a betrayal.

Which it was. He lost my respect and trust with this inacceptable move.