I'm tired of this trend

[Syntaxvgm]

What is it with games these days not having the option to crank traditional Anti-Aliasing like MSAA  to 8 or 16x. 

BF1 for example only has a few FXAA settings, which even on high doesn't do very much, and TAA, which while getting rid of jaggies  pretty well makes it look like I'm playing a JPEG. 

Seriously, it's stupid, and it's not the only game like this recently. 

Some people, like me, still game at 1080p -on a 144Hz screen with gsync in my case. 1080p can look good, but you need good AA. Hell, even on my 1440p screens I want it simply cause the DPI isn't high enough. For Bf1, I have a gtx 1080 that absolutely smashes that game performance wise, what happened to me being able to use some of that performance room to make it look ridiculously smooth? I used to often trade other settings for 4 or 8x MSAA in shooting games...as shooting people in the distance with AA is nice. 

Worse yet, a quick glance in the NVIDIA control panel shows I have no options there either for some reason, all disabled for BF1. I suppose DSR is my only option, and that's not the same honestly. 

 

edit-

I forgot the main reason this complain- what about 5+ years down the road when most people have a GPU that overperforms the game? There's nothing left to crank up! Crazy high and taxing AA suddenly isn't crazy on an old game. AA is almost as important as playing at native resolution. 

[Guest]

I'm tired of this trend where people want to use AA. Why are those options still there? Most people turn it off anyways. Not sure what your point is here.

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, Dutch-stoner said:

I'm tired of this trend where people want to use AA. Why are those options still there? Most people turn it off anyways. Not sure what your point is here.

because games look like trash without it? If you can't use it or don't want the performance hit leave it off? 

[MegaDave91]

MSAA is unnecessarily taxing though. There are other forms that do a better job and require much less from the GPU.

[Sakkura]

Deferred rendering doesn't work with MSAA, so that's a big part of it. I just wish SMAA would be more popular as an alternative to the FXAA crap.

3 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

I'm tired of this trend where people want to use AA. Why are those options still there? Most people turn it off anyways. Not sure what your point is here.

Haha very funny.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, MegaDave91 said:

MSAA is unnecessarily taxing though. There are other forms that do a better job and require much less from the GPU.

Whatever the options I want an 'unnecessarily taxing' one that actually looks good. These 'performance' ones do not look good, some look almost interlaced, others look blurry in spots. 

[TrigrH]

what GPU do you have? cos there is a solution if you have enough grunt

[TrigrH]

8 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Worse yet, a quick glance in the NVIDIA control panel shows I have no options there either for some reason, all disabled for BF1. I suppose DSR is my only option, and that's not the same honestly. 

btw there is a setting and u are blind

[MegaDave91]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Whatever the options I want an 'unnecessarily taxing' one that actually looks good. These 'performance' ones do not look good, some look almost interlaced, others look blurry in spots. 

There is one (escapes me right now) that blurs the scene in motion and I can't say I'm a fan of that. TXAA is good, however.

 

EDIT: I hope TXAA isn't that one I describe above. 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

btw there is a setting and u are blind

They are all disabled for BF1, they only let me use application setting. Latest drivers. 

[AlwaysFSX]

What game would you find requires 16x MSAA? I play at 1080p and 8x should be more than adequate at removing jagged lines.

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, MegaDave91 said:

There is one (escapes me right now) that blurs the scene in motion and I can't say I'm a fan of that. TXAA is good, however.

BF1 uses TAA, not TXAA. TAA is a moving JPEG, seriously. I use it because it makes the edges smoothest which is good for actually playing the game, but it makes it look like...interlaced. Film grain maybe. 

[TrigrH]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

They are all disabled for BF1, they only let me use application setting. Latest drivers. 

there is a REASON BF1 only has FXAA and TAA, because they have engine resolution scaling!

 

Since I play "competitive" I run these settings:

Motion blur and crap: off

Textures: high or ultra

Anisotropic filtering: high or ultra

HBAO

 

Everything else on low

 

RESOLUTION SCALE 200%.

[Sakkura]

3 minutes ago, MegaDave91 said:

MSAA is unnecessarily taxing though. There are other forms that do a better job and require much less from the GPU.

Not really, at least not with widespread and easy adoption. The only image quality downside of MSAA is that it doesn't address aliasing on transparent textures (eg. chain link fences). Otherwise it achieves really good quality at a semi-heavy performance penalty. SSAA (including DSR, VSR) is even better but carries an extreme performance penalty; MSAA was specifically developed as a more efficient AA method.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

What game would you find requires 16x MSAA? I play at 1080p and 8x should be more than adequate at removing jagged lines.

It really depends on the game and implantation. the original mirrors edge benefits from it. 

Doesn't require it at all. I'm usually happy enough with 4 or 8. But why not allow for crazy high? Where's the fun in having overpowered hardware these days? 

[MegaDave91]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

BF1 uses TAA, not TXAA. TAA is a moving JPEG, seriously. I use it because it makes the edges smoothest which is good for actually playing the game, but it makes it look like...interlaced. Film grain maybe. 

Have you tried forcing MFAA through NCP?

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

there is a REASON BF1 only has FXAA and TAA, because they have engine resolution scaling!

 

Since I play "competitive" I run these settings:

Motion blur and crap: off

Textures: high or ultra

Anisotropic filtering: high or ultra

HBAO

 

Everything else on low

 

RESOLUTION SCALE 200%.

Interesting. I was gonna try DSR even though I'm not a fan of it, but I didn't know about that setting. That's good to know. 

That said, my complain applies to most other games recently. 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, MegaDave91 said:

Have you tried forcing MFAA through NCP?

Doesn't allow me to apply anything other than DSR 

 

actually mfaa works. does mfaa cause any latency since it uses multiple frames? 

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

What game would you find requires 16x MSAA? I play at 1080p and 8x should be more than adequate at removing jagged lines.

Yeah 8X is usually the maximum implemented, and 4X is usually the better choice unless your GPU is overkill for the game in question.

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

there is a REASON BF1 only has FXAA and TAA, because they have engine resolution scaling!

 

Since I play "competitive" I run these settings:

Motion blur and crap: off

Textures: high or ultra

Anisotropic filtering: high or ultra

HBAO

 

Everything else on low

 

RESOLUTION SCALE 200%.

Resolution scaling is just SSAA like DSR. Sure it looks good, but it comes with an extreme performance penalty.

[Syntaxvgm]

3 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Yeah 8X is usually the maximum implemented, and 4X is usually the better choice unless your GPU is overkill for the game in question.

Resolution scaling is just SSAA like DSR. Sure it looks good, but it comes with an extreme performance penalty.

yah I actually have better luck performance wise with good old msaa. DSR surprisingly doesn't scale down well enough to eliminate jaggies for lower resolutions- like 1440p>1080. Something about the way it's scaled. An then there's UI compatibility issues. At least games are getting much better at that. 

[TrigrH]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

Interesting. I was gonna try DSR even though I'm not a fan of it, but I didn't know about that setting. That's good to know. 

That said, my complain applies to most other games recently. 

so with my 1070 I get about ~70-90 FPS because its effectively 4k

 

with mesh on low things will pop into the distance so you might wanna turn that up (tho it lets u see players behind cover)

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, TrigrH said:

so with my 1070 I get about ~70-90 FPS because its effectively 4k

 

with mesh on low things will pop into the distance so you might wanna turn that up (tho it lets u see players behind cover)

I'm shooting for 110-144 fps. I'm ok with jumping around, gsync makes that pretty alright. I will try that, I did much better on medic with iron sights even with TAA. 

[MegaDave91]

6 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Doesn't allow me to apply anything other than DSR 

 

actually mfaa works. does mfaa cause any latency since it uses multiple frames? 

Does any form of AA not cause latency? I'm not sure. Experiment with it. Maybe it's low enough to be imperceptible.

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

yah I actually have better luck performance wise with good old msaa. DSR surprisingly doesn't scale down well enough to eliminate jaggies for lower resolutions. Something about the way it's scaled.

At this point it seems like we either have to fight a losing battle against deferred rendering, or lobby for better SMAA support in games.

[TrigrH]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

I'm shooting for 110-144 fps. I'm ok with jumping around, gsync makes that pretty alright. I will try that, I did much better on medic with iron sights even with TAA. 

well u might be able to get that with a 1080, since I only have a i5 4670k, with res scale 200% you don't get any aliasing at all its 100% perfect. so make sure ingame AA is off.