Universal socket

[Zaydoon]

Is it difficult to make a universal motherboard socket or a 1st or third part socket adapter compatible with both amd and intels ones, no one can keep with this rapid development. By the way anyone have an idea about such an adapter if this by any mean possible?

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, Zaydoon said:

Is it difficult to make a universal motherboard socket or a 1st or third part socket adapter compatible with both amd and intels ones, no one can keep with this rapid development. By the way anyone have an idea about such an adapter if this by any mean possible?

In the old days they used to share the same socket, but both have custom pinouts, and Intel has its pins in the motherboard while AMD has it's pins on the CPU. There's no making an adapter for that.

[Lord Nicoll]

6 minutes ago, Zaydoon said:

Is it difficult to make a universal motherboard socket or a 1st or third part socket adapter compatible with both amd and intels ones, no one can keep with this rapid development. By the way anyone have an idea about such an adapter if this by any mean possible?

Generally no, all the interconnects used by hosts to speak over the various systems can change and are not the same as one another, you can use a hardware inline emulator but they cost like $10,000 upwards and are very slow, use only for testing and debuggin

[Zaydoon]

I think someone has to kick start such an adapter or to start a double socket motherboard with option to use one of the two but the problem that each brands keep changing their socket compatibilities.

[TheRandomness]

3 minutes ago, Zaydoon said:

I think someone has to kick start such an adapter or to start a double socket motherboard with option to use one of the two but the problem that each brands keep changing their socket compatibilities.

Problem is each brand designs their CPUs differently. One has the memory controller on the CPU, one doesn't (iirc), one has 1151 pins and one has 900 or so. No way can you make an adaptor for that. 

[Lord Nicoll]

Just now, Zaydoon said:

I think someone has to kick start such an adapter or to start a double socket motherboard with option to use one of the two but the problem that each brands keep changing their socket compatibilities.

They do make them, but they're special devices only used by board makers. The host bus adapters and chipsets and PCIe and all that stuff are not comparable across a wide range, if they where they'd be releasing the same product over, and that would hold us back. A good example is when intel moved from the QPI to DMI interface (LGA 1366 to LGA 2011, ok there where others but they're the main ones) they made many improvements. There are lots of subsystems that only work with with particular type of processor. Hell even the pin outs can change from one version to another. I have a dual socket LGA 1366 board, it has two Xeons in it, that is about as exotic as they get without getting too technical, 

[SnipeYa]

Good idea... But it doesn't quite work like that. Different cpu's talk to the motherboard differently, have different amounts of pins and a whole lot of other things.

If it were possible it would have been done a long time ago.

 

[Zaydoon]

4 minutes ago, SnipeYa said:

Good idea... But it doesn't quite work like that. Different cpu's talk to the motherboard differently, have different amounts of pins and a whole lot of other things.

If it were possible it would have been done a long time ago.

 

But my mobile( now) is talking so differently to your pc/mobile and we/they can understand each other

[Lord Nicoll]

Just now, Zaydoon said:

But my mobile( now) is talking so differently to your pc/mobile and we/they can understand each other

Oh my god, because that is the internet protocol, your phone is processing data and sending it using a universal code that is COMPLETELY different to the code PC components work on, one is hardware, one is software. I really hope that was a troll........

[Zaydoon]

1 minute ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Oh my god, because that is the internet protocol, your phone is processing data and sending it using a universal code that is COMPLETELY different to the code PC components work on, one is hardware, one is software. I really hope that was a troll........

But good one.

[SnipeYa]

1 minute ago, Zaydoon said:

But my mobile( now) is talking so differently to your pc/mobile and we/they can understand each other

That's not how I mean, I'm talking about an electronic hardware language, You're talking about a software language.

I'm simplifying all this as much as I can... But long story short is It can't be done sorry.

(If this is a troll good work)

[Zaydoon]

1 minute ago, SnipeYa said:

That's not how I mean, I'm talking about an electronic hardware language, You're talking about a software language.

I'm simplifying all this as much as I can... But long story short is It can't be done sorry.

(If this is a troll good work)

Just joking from disappointment

[SpaceGhostC2C]

32 minutes ago, Zaydoon said:

Is it difficult to make a universal motherboard socket or a 1st or third part socket adapter compatible with both amd and intels ones, no one can keep with this rapid development. By the way anyone have an idea about such an adapter if this by any mean possible?

There are at least three major problems:

- pin layout is different (if it was just extra or missing pins, it would be easier, but one may have the same physical location used for something else)

- one brand uses pins on chip and the other uses pins on motherboard

These two restrict heavily any possibility of universal socket. However, there could still be a universal motherboard, with two sockets (not something you would actually want most of the times, but possible). It leads us to the third obstacle:

- Probably any agreement with intel/AMD to use their chipsets precludes this possibility altogether.

And then there is a issue of costs associated to overcoming these problems.

 

Although a dual socket motherboard would be gerat for benchmarks  

[Zaydoon]

4 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

There are at least three major problems:

- pin layout is different (if it was just extra or missing pins, it would be easier, but one may have the same physical location used for something else)

- one brand uses pins on chip and the other uses pins on motherboard

These two restrict heavily any possibility of universal socket. However, there could still be a universal motherboard, with two sockets (not something you would actually want most of the times, but possible). It leads us to the third obstacle:

- Probably any agreement with intel/AMD to use their chipsets precludes this possibility altogether.

And then there is a issue of costs associated to overcoming these problems.

 

Although a dual socket motherboard would be gerat for benchmarks  

Or two motherboards in crossfire literally

[Zaydoon]

Thanks to all