SSD Standoff

[Mike Soda]

After hours of research I've narrowed it down to these two SSDs that would match an upcoming build, 480GB HyperX Savage & 500GB Samsung 850 EVO. According to SSD User Benchmark the EVO performs faster in the areas that count the most. However, regarding longevity I'm greatly confused from what I read. HyperX Savage has a 3 year warranty,  with Phison PS3110 Controller & Toshiba A19 MLC NAND Memory. While the EVO has a 5 year warranty, with Samsung Dual Core MGX Controller & TLC V-NAND Memory. I'd prefer not to sacrifice a little speed for a shorter lifespan, unless TLC lasts longer than I'm under the impression of. In the end I need whichever of these to last me over 5 years, since even after an eventual faster upgrade I'd still like to use it as backup storage. If anyone in the community owns either of these I'd greatly appreciate your input on how it's performing so far. By the way, my uses for the SSD would include MMO gaming, moderate video editing, weekly virus scans, monthly backups & upcoming higher-end games such as Forza Horizon 3.

 

1: If MLC is supposed to last twice as long as TLC then why don't the warrant's reflect this?

 

2: How many years can I safely expect the Samsung 850 EVO or HyperX Savage to last for?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1. Warranty /= how long it will last.Thats how long they will support. You can pay for a longer company if you want.

 

2. Probably 10+ years. They don't really fail. You still have about 1% that will die very quicky or come doa, but once those are out of the pool most will last a long time. I wouldn't worry about life span. Once these die, your system won't have sata and the drive will be way to small.

[Daniel644]

short of random hardware failure, lifespan isn't a concern, the expected lifespan of the 500GB 850 evo is a Petabyte (1,000TB) and the hyper X is 416TB, this is MANY MANY MANY years of daily use (like 40 YEARS  of writing 20 GB a DAY for the hyper x).

[zMeul]

endurance of SSDs is taken into account by the number of data written to the drive

850EVO 500GB model has an endurance rating of 150TB of data written or 82GB per day - if you are not hitting that, the lifespan of the SSD will be greater

 

the Hyper X Savage 480GB model has a total endurance of 416TB or 81GB per day

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, zMeul said:

endurance of SSDs is taken into account by the number of data written to the drive

850EVO 500GB model has an endurance rating of 150TB of data written or 82GB per day - if you are not hitting that, the lifespan of the SSD will be greater

 

the Hyper X Savage 480GB model has a total endurance of 416TB or 81GB per day

 

Just now, Daniel644 said:

short of random hardware failure, lifespan isn't a concern, the expected lifespan of the 500GB 850 evo is a Petabyte (1,000TB) and the hyper X is 416TB, this is MANY MANY MANY years of daily use (like 40 YEARS  of writing 20 GB a DAY for the hyper x).

SSD's don't just die when endurace runs out. Its not like a clock. 

 

They can last longer than rated endurance and can also fail for other reasons.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Daniel644 said:

expected lifespan of the 500GB 850 evo is a Petabyte (1,000TB)

where did you got that?! http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review it's 150TB

 

[Daniel644]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

SSD's don't just die when endurace runs out. Its not like a clock. 

 

They can last longer than rated endurance and can also fail for other reasons.

they can run longer and with TRIM get effectively smaller capacity as indiviual "cells" fail from writes, which further extends the life of the drive (or at least thats how I understand it)

[Daniel644]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

where did you got that?! http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review it's 150TB

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review/4

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

SSD's don't just die when endurace runs out. Its not like a clock. 

 

They can last longer than rated endurance and can also fail for other reasons.

Intel's SSD go in read-only mode when that number is reached and it's a much safer procedure than what others do

when SSDs fail, they fail 100% - data cannot be recovered

[Mike Soda]

9 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

1. Warranty /= how long it will last.Thats how long they will support. You can pay for a longer company if you want.

 

2. Probably 10+ years. They don't really fail. You still have about 1% that will die very quicky or come doa, but once those are out of the pool most will last a long time. I wouldn't worry about life span. Once these die, your system won't have sata and the drive will be way to small.

I see, approximately how quickly does a TLC vs MLC degrade then in years with the type of use I specified?

[zMeul]

4 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

I see, approximately how quickly does a TLC vs MLC degrade then in years with the type of use I specified?

TLC has 3 bits per cell 

MLC has 2

 

MLC will have a slightly longer endurance at the cost of speed

you can also look at Samsung's 850PRO, with MLC 3D V-NAND - 10y warranty 

[zMeul]

OP should also read this:

 

[zMeul]

12 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review/4

that's what they got in their tests and not the specs that Samsung provides: http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/ssd-850-evo-2-5-sata-iii-500gb-mz-75e500b-am/

the drive can last 2 petabytes, or it cannot - you can't guarantee it because each user uses the drive differently

[Mike Soda]

8 minutes ago, zMeul said:

TLC has 3 bits per cell 

MLC has 2

 

MLC will have a slightly longer endurance at the cost of speed

you can also look at Samsung's 850PRO, with MLC 3D V-NAND - 10y warranty 

 

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

OP should also read this:

 

 

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

that's what they got in their tests and not the specs that Samsung provides: http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/ssd-850-evo-2-5-sata-iii-500gb-mz-75e500b-am/

the drive can last 2 petabytes, or it cannot - you can't guarantee it because each user uses the drive differently

Thank you, although now I'm still torn between the two lol. I was considering the 850 Pro originally but $220.00 for storage alone, that extra could be put elsewhere in the PC.

[zMeul]

13 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

Thank you, although now I'm still torn between the two lol. I was considering the 850 Pro originally but $220.00 for storage alone, that extra could be put elsewhere in the PC.

get the 850EVO and forget about the rest

back-up your most important data both on some external media and off-site

 

if a drive goes it goes, even if it's a SSD or HDD - you are a home user not an enterprise one

[Mike Soda]

Just now, zMeul said:

get the 850EVO and forget about the rest

back-up your most important data both on some external media and off-site

 

if a drive goes it goes, even if it's a SSD or HDD - you are a home user not an enterprise one

I was literally just about to reply with I'm going with the EVO for the longer warranty & faster performance . Unfortunately I won't be able to get a WD Black as backup right away but my Patriot Flash drive is enough to backup my personal files on for now.

[zMeul]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-hyperx-savage-240gb-ssd,4134.html#p8

[Mike Soda]

10 hours ago, zMeul said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-hyperx-savage-240gb-ssd,4134.html#p8

It's interesting how HyperX somehow managed to beat the EVO in 4K Random Write Low Que Depth on QD4 but lost everywhere else.

[paddy-stone]

960 EVO is coming soon with much better read/write performance and IOPS are brilliant. Didn't read the entire thread here, so apologies if just looking for cheaper SSD.