Laptops for college engineering

[Epicspenguin]

Hey guys, Im a Freashmen college student and I had to get a laptop for school. I ended up geting an Inspirion 15 7000 gameing system, and while the hardware is incredable, I've had to reinstall windows 3 times. After a conversation with dell, I desided that I was going to get another laptop. I have no idea what the best laptop is for things like running AUTOcad and genral gaming is, and dont want to make the same mistake agin. Its not helpfull that there is a metric crap ton of laptops on the market boasting basicly the same specs for vary diffrsnt prices. Im working in the under $2000 range. Any sujestions?

[Brooksie359]

12 minutes ago, Epicspenguin said:

Hey guys, Im a Freashmen college student and I had to get a laptop for school. I ended up geting an Inspirion 15 7000 gameing system, and while the hardware is incredable, I've had to reinstall windows 3 times. After a conversation with dell, I desided that I was going to get another laptop. I have no idea what the best laptop is for things like running AUTOcad and genral gaming is, and dont want to make the same mistake agin. Its not helpfull that there is a metric crap ton of laptops on the market boasting basicly the same specs for vary diffrsnt prices. Im working in the under $2000 range. Any sujestions?

what are your priorities because any gaming capable laptop will be able to run AUTOcad just fine. do you want it to be capable and still be slim or do you want the most power you can get?

[Aytex]

autocad isn't that much intensive but if you're gaming with it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167732 601211657 601211658 601211659

From those I would pick Apache pro or the ROG

[Brooksie359]

6 minutes ago, Aytex said:

autocad isn't that much intensive but if you're gaming with it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167732 601211657 601211658 601211659

From those I would pick Apache pro or the ROG

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234299 this one is probably the one id suggest out of those and buy an ssd to reinstall windows on. 

[don_svetlio]

6 hours ago, Aytex said:

autocad isn't that much intensive but if you're gaming with it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167732 601211657 601211658 601211659

From those I would pick Apache pro or the ROG

Noooo, DO NOT BUY THOSE. Pascal GL502 and MSI laptops have major heat issues - the MSI ones run at 55dB (extremely loud) and have the heatpipes over the chipset - that is likely to kill it
GL502 1060 simply throttles.

[don_svetlio]

6 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234299 this one is probably the one id suggest out of those and buy an ssd to reinstall windows on. 

He'd end up with a machine running at 100*C....

[don_svetlio]

7 hours ago, Epicspenguin said:

Hey guys, Im a Freashmen college student and I had to get a laptop for school. I ended up geting an Inspirion 15 7000 gameing system, and while the hardware is incredable, I've had to reinstall windows 3 times. After a conversation with dell, I desided that I was going to get another laptop. I have no idea what the best laptop is for things like running AUTOcad and genral gaming is, and dont want to make the same mistake agin. Its not helpfull that there is a metric crap ton of laptops on the market boasting basicly the same specs for vary diffrsnt prices. Im working in the under $2000 range. Any sujestions?

Ignore the people giving bad advice, you DO NOT NEED a Pascal hotbox.

Look at the following powerful ultrabooks - Dell XPS 15 and Asus UX501VW - those have i7 6700HQs and 960Ms - performance is good, cooling is good, build quality is fantastic, battery life is 6-8 hours (depending on the config)

[Aytex]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Noooo, DO NOT BUY THOSE. Pascal GL502 and MSI laptops have major heat issues - the MSI ones run at 55dB (extremely loud) and have the heatpipes over the chipset - that is likely to kill it
GL502 1060 simply throttles.

Didn't know that  

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Aytex said:

Didn't know that  

The only laptops capable of cooling Pascal are the large 17' behemoths like the G752/Alienware 17 or the 15' Clevos

[Pendragon]

9 hours ago, Epicspenguin said:

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P650RP6: https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8152-special-clevo-p650rp6/?ex=1

P650RS: https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8153-special-clevo-p650rs/?ex=1

 

 

[Brooksie359]

7 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

He'd end up with a machine running at 100*C....

under stress test its 92*C which is fine because the parts are rated for those temps anyways. also that's under a stress test so its not likely to reach that under normal use. 

[don_svetlio]

48 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

under stress test its 92*C which is fine because the parts are rated for those temps anyways. also that's under a stress test so its not likely to reach that under normal use. 

There is a video of the Blade 14 running Overwatch on youtube at a constant 95*C. It's a display unit (cherry picked). You were saying?

Anything above 85*C is harmful to the longevity of the machine, not to mention it causes throttling

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

There is a video of the Blade 14 running Overwatch on youtube at a constant 95*C. It's a display unit (cherry picked). You were saying?

Anything above 85*C is harmful to the longevity of the machine, not to mention it causes throttling

what does the blade 14 have to do with a completely different product? also high temps doesn't mean its throttling. yes throttling is caused by high temps but there are plenty of cards that run hot and don't throttle. the card throttles if it cant keep a temperature that is safe at the frequency wanted. plus even a thermal throttling gtx 1060 would give good gaming performance. also saying that running hot is harmful to longevity of the machine is about the same as saying overclocking is harmful to the longevity of a cpu. 

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

what does the blade 14 have to do with a completely different product? also high temps doesn't mean its throttling. yes throttling is caused by high temps but there are plenty of cards that run hot and don't throttle. the card throttles if it cant keep a temperature that is safe at the frequency wanted. plus even a thermal throttling gtx 1060 would give good gaming performance. also saying that running hot is harmful to longevity of the machine is about the same as saying overclocking is harmful to the longevity of a cpu. 

1 - I got confused because of the amount of threads I am in
2 - the 1060 throttles at 92*C and goes to 135MHz at 96*C - the VBIOS is HARD capped
3 - A 1060 at 500MHz is slower than a 970M at 1050MHz - why? Cuase CLOCKSPEED MATTTERS A LOT
4 - because it does? are you that big of a troll that you are telling someone a GPU at 95*C will last the same as one at 65*C? Please stop lying to people. Thank you.

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

what does the blade 14 have to do with a completely different product? also high temps doesn't mean its throttling. yes throttling is caused by high temps but there are plenty of cards that run hot and don't throttle. the card throttles if it cant keep a temperature that is safe at the frequency wanted. plus even a thermal throttling gtx 1060 would give good gaming performance. also saying that running hot is harmful to longevity of the machine is about the same as saying overclocking is harmful to the longevity of a cpu. 

Overclocking is BAD for longevity, running things at 90c is bad for the longevity. How much experience do you have with tech? I would guess zero, because of that stupid statement you just said

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

Overclocking is BAD for longevity, running things at 90c is bad for the longevity. How much experience do you have with tech? I would guess zero, because of that stupid statement you just said

my point being that although overclock is bad for longevity there is a reason why people still do it. because its not significant enough to matter seeing as the product will be outdated far faster than it will take for it to fail. 

[Brooksie359]

6 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

1 - I got confused because of the amount of threads I am in
2 - the 1060 throttles at 92*C and goes to 135MHz at 96*C - the VBIOS is HARD capped
3 - A 1060 at 500MHz is slower than a 970M at 1050MHz - why? Cuase CLOCKSPEED MATTTERS A LOT
4 - because it does? are you that big of a troll that you are telling someone a GPU at 95*C will last the same as one at 65*C? Please stop lying to people. Thank you.

also to your points. the gpu isn't running at 92 its the cpu that is. the cpu is rated to run at that temp and there are plenty of gpus that run at 83 consistently no problem. 

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

also to your points. the gpu isn't running at 92 its the cpu that is. the cpu is rated to run at that temp and there are plenty of gpus that run at 83 consistently no problem. 

The GPU DOES run at that temp. God, do you even do research?

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

my point being that although overclock is bad for longevity there is a reason why people still do it. because its not significant enough to matter seeing as the product will be outdated far faster than it will take for it to fail. 

you see when a laptop CPU gets to 90c or more then every thing around it is going to be very very hot and then it is not just the CPU that takes damage it is everything around it. Open up a laptop and then see all the parts around your CPU and GPU and then you might understand why anything above 85c is just bad really fucking bad.

 

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

also to your points. the gpu isn't running at 92 its the cpu that is. the cpu is rated to run at that temp and there are plenty of gpus that run at 83 consistently no problem. 

Just because it is rated at something, doesn't equal to it being good for it. That rated max temp is basically just what the parts can take without crapping out, but it thermal throttles before that, to try and keep the temps under that. Also the GPU runs at 92c. Do some research.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

you see when a laptop CPU gets to 90c or more then every thing around it is going to be very very hot and then it is not just the CPU that takes damage it is everything around it. Open up a laptop and then see all the parts around your CPU and GPU and then you might understand why anything above 85c is just bad really fucking bad.

 

Just because it is rated at something, doesn't equal to it being good for it. That rated max temp is basically just what the parts can take without crapping out, but it thermal throttles before that, to try and keep the temps under that. Also the GPU runs at 92c. Do some research.

as i cant seem to find a review of the gtx 1060 version im going off of the gtx 1070 version of the gl502 so i dont really see how going from a gtx 1070 to a gtx 1060 would make it go from 83 degrees C to 92

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

as i cant seem to find a review of the gtx 1060 version im going off of the gtx 1070 version of the gl502 so i dont really see how going from a gtx 1070 to a gtx 1060 would make it go from 83 degrees C to 92

Erm, care do notice the 1070 version is 10mm thicker, has massive heatsinks and twice as large fans?

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

as i cant seem to find a review of the gtx 1060 version im going off of the gtx 1070 version of the gl502 so i dont really see how going from a gtx 1070 to a gtx 1060 would make it go from 83 degrees C to 92

the 1070 version is 10mm thicker... That does a LOT

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Dackzy said:

the 1070 version is 10mm thicker... That does a LOT

That is a 50% increase

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Erm, care do notice the 1070 version is 10mm thicker, has massive heatsinks and twice as large fans?

well that's stupid. you'd think it would be cheaper to do the same design for both. 

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

well that's stupid. you'd think it would be cheaper to do the same design for both. 

But that would make a 1070 version impossible as the 1060 version already overheats. The 1060 chassis was built for a 970M (the one I have)