AMD Adjusts Shifts Gears To Power-First Architecture,, Shows Improvements At HotChips, Talks Up Zen+

[themctipers]

26 minutes ago, Citadelen said:

You must be fun at Christmas...

 cheap zen? yay!

[MEC-777]

I think AMD is totally going to undercut Intel on pricing. Same/comparable performance (for real this time) but at a lower price. The Intel CPU prices have gotten a little out of control for their mainstream parts, IMO. 

[r3d3mpt10n]

4 hours ago, Citadelen said:

You must be fun at Christmas...

I want a Ferrari Enzo for $10000

 

haha

[patrickjp93]

On 8/25/2016 at 8:47 AM, themctipers said:

as long as it uses solder tim.  

and has atleast haswell ipc (hopefully skylake/kaby lake ipc)

and is cheap as fuck

The quads won't be soldered. The chips are so small you will melt more of them than you'll successfully solder. That's been Intel's and AMD's problem for a while.

 

Also, would you people stop with the ridiculous idea Zen completely shut the gap in a single try?! It didn't. We've seen Dresdenboy's results. AMD's Blender test is an edge case in the best of circumstances or a complete fabrication by hobbling the competition with a different hardware/software config when stated otherwise.

 

On 8/25/2016 at 8:53 AM, themctipers said:

well

cheaper than intels $550 i7 6700k.

 

I can get one for $430 in Australia, and there were definitely $350 options back in the states that didn't involve going to Microcenter.

 

On 8/25/2016 at 0:49 PM, super_skank said:

Anyone else seeing piledriver / bulldozer mark 2, when i comes to Zen?

 

Probably can't be as disappointing, but i just don't think these chips are going to anything like what we hope they are going to be.

 

Hope i am wrong. We need to them to be at least half decent, Intel chips are becoming insanely expensive.

Only on the highest end. Otherwise prices are flat.

 

On 8/25/2016 at 9:58 PM, Energycore said:

I'm hoping for similar stuff to K10 vs Nehalem where prices will hictate the better choice and that AMD can have a double digit market share

AMD has a double digit market share in the high teens

 

22 hours ago, Phoenix721 said:

I expect Zen to be a bit faster than the 4690k and a bit slower than the 6600k with a much better price (could perform better in some games/loads) and Zen+ to outperform Skylake but be behind kabylake/whatever intel has at that time period.

Why?! Dresdenboy showed that it isn't in a decently CPU-heavy game!

[Energycore]

12 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

AMD has a double digit market share in the high teens

I suppose it used to be higher?

[grayperview]

18 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Only on the highest end. Otherwise prices are flat.

Not here dude, the quad core i7's have gone up £50-70 over the last 3 generations, which is far from flat.

[themctipers]

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

The quads won't be soldered. The chips are so small you will melt more of them than you'll successfully solder. That's been Intel's and AMD's problem for a while.

 

Also, would you people stop with the ridiculous idea Zen completely shut the gap in a single try?! It didn't. We've seen Dresdenboy's results. AMD's Blender test is an edge case in the best of circumstances or a complete fabrication by hobbling the competition with a different hardware/software config when stated otherwise.

I said haswell. Which is before sky lake. Which is before the upcoming kaby lake. 

Thats 2 generations behind.. 

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

I can get one for $430 in Australia, and there were definitely $350 options back in the states that didn't involve going to Microcenter.

Well.. The price has dropped. 

[patrickjp93]

3 hours ago, super_skank said:

Not here dude, the quad core i7's have gone up £50-70 over the last 3 generations, which is far from flat.

Not Intel's fault the Brits made an economic decision with short-term consequences in the midst of having 6% inflation.

 

20 minutes ago, themctipers said:

I said haswell. Which is before sky lake. Which is before the upcoming kaby lake. 

Thats 2 generations behind.. 

Well.. The price has dropped. 

Reread what I quoted. You were hoping for Kaby Lake.

[themctipers]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Not Intel's fault the Brits made an economic decision with short-term consequences in the midst of having 6% inflation.

 

Reread what I quoted. You were hoping for Kaby Lake.

Said atleast haswell, hopefully skylake/kabylake

[patrickjp93]

Just now, themctipers said:

Said atleast haswell, hopefully skylake/kabylake

And that's delusional.

[porina]

10 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Not Intel's fault the Brits made an economic decision with short-term consequences in the midst of having 6% inflation.

I haven't verified the previous poster's claims on pricing but brexit problems only kicked in very recently. If the trend was on the way up, it would be showing even before that.

[patrickjp93]

4 hours ago, porina said:

I haven't verified the previous poster's claims on pricing but brexit problems only kicked in very recently. If the trend was on the way up, it would be showing even before that.

GB has had inflationary problems for a while, and demand in the market was decreasing for high-end parts. There may have also been increased VATs on tech, but I'm not aware of any. The fact prices in the U.S. market have remained flat for so long is a miracle. People don't even realize Intel has been getting cheaper when adjusting for inflation, right up until Broadwell-E.

[Curufinwe_wins]

5 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

GB has had inflationary problems for a while, and demand in the market was decreasing for high-end parts. There may have also been increased VATs on tech, but I'm not aware of any. The fact prices in the U.S. market have remained flat for so long is a miracle. People don't even realize Intel has been getting cheaper when adjusting for inflation, right up until Broadwell-E.

Speaking of US pricing...

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

Lol... now prices are good.... But the 6800k is still pretty overpriced considering I got my 5820k new for 300 a year ago.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Speaking of US pricing...

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

Lol... now prices are good.... But the 6800k is still pretty overpriced considering I got my 5820k new for 300 a year ago.

Most 5820Ks from online retail are about $330-360, and when you consider the 3820 was that cost and inflation has done nothing to the price, it says eventually a spike is coming. It just depends on how big it will be.

[porina]

2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

GB has had inflationary problems for a while, and demand in the market was decreasing for high-end parts. There may have also been increased VATs on tech, but I'm not aware of any. The fact prices in the U.S. market have remained flat for so long is a miracle. People don't even realize Intel has been getting cheaper when adjusting for inflation, right up until Broadwell-E.

The only inflation problem we have here is it is LOWER than what the Bank of England wants it to be. There are two main measures of inflation, called RPI and CPI, which count things slightly differently. Both have been hovering close to zero for a long time, with ongoing fears of returning to recession. They actually want higher inflation to signify a return to growth and brexit might have put a spanner in the works there. The Bank of England base rate was lowered again recently (since brexit) to try and stimulate spending, and from September my mortgage interest rate will be 1.29% which is insanely low, not that I'm complaining! Inflation was higher previously. A fair part of inflation was due to oil prices. Since it has been dropping from its historic highs that effect has gone. 

 

VAT hasn't changed recently. Looking it up, it last changed from 17.5% to 20% in January 2011. You might be thinking of import duties, but again I'm not aware of any changes there apart from a reduction (elimination) on several classes of electronic goods earlier this year, but I don't think it included computer components.

 

Since brexit electronic goods have generally had upwards price pressure, simply from the devaluation of the pound causing all imports to increase in cost in local currency terms. There may be some delay due to existing inventory and contracts already in place, but it wont last forever.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, porina said:

The only inflation problem we have here is it is LOWER than what the Bank of England wants it to be. There are two main measures of inflation, called RPI and CPI, which count things slightly differently. Both have been hovering close to zero for a long time, with ongoing fears of returning to recession. They actually want higher inflation to signify a return to growth and brexit might have put a spanner in the works there. The Bank of England base rate was lowered again recently (since brexit) to try and stimulate spending, and from September my mortgage interest rate will be 1.29% which is insanely low, not that I'm complaining! Inflation was higher previously. A fair part of inflation was due to oil prices. Since it has been dropping from its historic highs that effect has gone. 

 

VAT hasn't changed recently. Looking it up, it last changed from 17.5% to 20% in January 2011. You might be thinking of import duties, but again I'm not aware of any changes there apart from a reduction (elimination) on several classes of electronic goods earlier this year, but I don't think it included computer components.

 

Since brexit electronic goods have generally had upwards price pressure, simply from the devaluation of the pound causing all imports to increase in cost in local currency terms. There may be some delay due to existing inventory and contracts already in place, but it wont last forever.

Inflation is not 0-1% for the UK. The bond rate is that low. If currency isn't allowed to free-float most of the time, it causes poor financial health across an entire economy. That has happened in the UK, whether you like it or not. Real inflation has been around 4-6% for the last 5 years, but without a free-floating currency, credit lines are slowed and the economy won't grow at the rate it should to sustain that change in currency value. I always found it weird that decreasing value is called inflation, but I digress.

[porina]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Inflation is not 0-1% for the UK. The bond rate is that low. If currency isn't allowed to free-float most of the time, it causes poor financial health across an entire economy. That has happened in the UK, whether you like it or not. Real inflation has been around 4-6% for the last 5 years, but without a free-floating currency, credit lines are slowed and the economy won't grow at the rate it should to sustain that change in currency value. I always found it weird that decreasing value is called inflation, but I digress.

The two measures I mentioned earlier are the officially used ones, You can look up their exact definitions, but one is a measure based on typical items bought by households, the other also includes other living costs like housing. Where does your definition come from? I assume what you refer to as the bond rate is the Bank of England base rate, which is what they vary to try and influence the earlier two measures. One reason for the UK not previously joining the euro was to retain some financial independence, as far as is possible within the still active European rules until Brexit completes. Certainly the varied economies using the euro has caused them problems there.

[patrickjp93]

45 minutes ago, porina said:

The two measures I mentioned earlier are the officially used ones, You can look up their exact definitions, but one is a measure based on typical items bought by households, the other also includes other living costs like housing. Where does your definition come from? I assume what you refer to as the bond rate is the Bank of England base rate, which is what they vary to try and influence the earlier two measures. One reason for the UK not previously joining the euro was to retain some financial independence, as far as is possible within the still active European rules until Brexit completes. Certainly the varied economies using the euro has caused them problems there.

They're the two England's banks like to use. The various actuarial societies around the world, well, disagree. My dad is a property casualty actuary for Munich Reinsurance, and the truth about how badly the UK finance industry reports money flow and inflation is reported will be earth-shattering when reforms come into effect in 2018. 

[grayperview]

13 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Not Intel's fault the Brits made an economic decision with short-term consequences in the midst of having 6% inflation.

 

Reread what I quoted. You were hoping for Kaby Lake.

£50 over 4 years, has nothing to do with Brexit, it has to do the intel raising their prices at an alarming rate.

[grayperview]

8 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

GB has had inflationary problems for a while, and demand in the market was decreasing for high-end parts. There may have also been increased VATs on tech, but I'm not aware of any. The fact prices in the U.S. market have remained flat for so long is a miracle. People don't even realize Intel has been getting cheaper when adjusting for inflation, right up until Broadwell-E.

VAT has not gone up in 6 years, prices generally here on other good are relatively low, there as been fuck all price increases since the referendum, sure the pound has crashed, but we are not feeling it yet...Price increase are purely down to Intel and Nvidia...

[patrickjp93]

12 minutes ago, super_skank said:

£50 over 4 years, has nothing to do with Brexit, it has to do the intel raising their prices at an alarming rate.

3% year over year is an alarming rate? Dude, paranoia much? And the inflation was an issue long before Brexit. The UK banks just can't hide it anymore. It's the same problem the Yuan is about to have. This is why you leave your currency free-floating.

 

10 minutes ago, super_skank said:

VAT has not gone up in 6 years, prices generally here on other good are relatively low, there as been fuck all price increases since the referendum, sure the pound has crashed, but we are not feeling it yet...Price increase are purely down to Intel and Nvidia...

And AMD, and IBM, who both raised prices 12% after Brexit as well. The entire world is raising prices on you. It's your own govt.'s fault for not having a free-floating currency and playing with reporting BS for too long.

[grayperview]

Dude you don't live here, and see the real day to day prices on other products....Prices have not gone up much here in the last few years....you are not in a position to comment.

 

Brexit has not even kicked in yet, Fuel has gone down in the last 3 months, food is pretty much the same, as are clothes and other electronics.

[porina]

15 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And AMD, and IBM, who both raised prices 12% after Brexit as well. The entire world is raising prices on you. It's your own govt.'s fault for not having a free-floating currency and playing with reporting BS for too long.

The phrasing makes it sound like a global conspiracy, but price rises are not unexpected for imported things. As the currency is devalued, the local market price will appear to go up, although it hasn't if you reference it elsewhere.

 

Tech goods, which are mostly imported from US, China, Far East, are going up in price. It isn't always obvious, since there may be some delay as there will be "old" stock bought in at the earlier lower price, and there may be contracts in place at the lower price that will continue for now, but will undoubtedly go up on renewal. As soon as the brexit vote result was announced, I immediately bought forward my big spends to help negate the impact of this.

 

And as is a common problem, the current government sucks. The previous governments sucks. The opposition sucks. The minorities have no power. There is no good choice between them. I would say right now it would be difficult for things to get much worse. I've set expectations low in the past and still ended up disappointed.

 

12 minutes ago, super_skank said:

Brexit has not even kicked in yet, Fuel has gone down in the last 3 months, food is pretty much the same, as are clothes and other electronics.

Fuel is a bit of an odd ball, since that is related to oil prices which have been dropping with a combination of over production and alternate energy sources coming online. Also it is common for there to be a drop in price over summer, you can be sure they'll go up again in winter unless you're on a fixed price plan.

[porina]

15 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And AMD, and IBM, who both raised prices 12% after Brexit as well. The entire world is raising prices on you. It's your own govt.'s fault for not having a free-floating currency and playing with reporting BS for too long.

The phrasing makes it sound like a global conspiracy, but price rises are not unexpected for imported things. As the currency is devalued, the local market price will appear to go up, although it hasn't if you reference it elsewhere.

 

Tech goods, which are mostly imported from US, China, Far East, are going up in price. It isn't always obvious, since there may be some delay as there will be "old" stock bought in at the earlier lower price, and there may be contracts in place at the lower price that will continue for now, but will undoubtedly go up on renewal. As soon as the brexit vote result was announced, I immediately bought forward my big spends to help negate the impact of this.

 

And as is a common problem, the current government sucks. The previous governments sucks. The opposition sucks. The minorities have no power. There is no good choice between them. I would say right now it would be difficult for things to get much worse. I've set expectations low in the past and still ended up disappointed.

 

12 minutes ago, super_skank said:

Brexit has not even kicked in yet, Fuel has gone down in the last 3 months, food is pretty much the same, as are clothes and other electronics.

Fuel is a bit of an odd ball, since that is related to oil prices which have been dropping with a combination of over production and alternate energy sources coming online. Also it is common for there to be a drop in price over summer, you can be sure they'll go up again in winter unless you're on a fixed price plan.