Should I buy a PC case?

[n4MiA]

So I'm planning to build a brand new PC from scratch

And I already got a list of part

but its a little bit out of my budget,

And I already choose the cheapest part I can possibly pick

 

BUT I still am out of budget...

Should I NOT buy the PC case?

[Networking Wolf]

depends on how long you want it to last

[Captain_Sisko]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353050

 

Get something like this. Save the money by buying windows off g2a or something. 

[n4MiA]

Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

Can I see the parts list? There might be a few easy tweaks without sacrificing anything major

 

i5-6500

Gigabyte Motherboard

Crucial 8GB DDR4 Ram

GTX 1070 G1 Gaming

Rosewill 500W PSU

Thermaltake Core V21

Seagate 1TB

[Morgan MLGman]

The i5 will bottleneck the 1070 heavily. Get a 1060 and upgrade the rest of the parts. For 1080p, a GTX 1070 is a waste anyway.

 

What is your budget?

[n4MiA]

Just now, Captain_Sisko said:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353050

 

Get something like this. Save the money by buying windows off g2a or something. 

Does it change the performance if I don't buy a Case?

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, n4MiA said:

Does it change the performance if I don't buy a Case?

Just give me your budget and I guarantee I'll make it the best bang for the buck you can get. Do you game at 1080p?

[n4MiA]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

Just give me your budget and I guarantee I'll make it the best bang for the buck you can get. Do you game at 1080p?

 

4 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

What games do you play?

My budget is between $800-$900 and

I choose gtx 1070 because I game at 1440p

I played Rocket League,PA:Titans,Rainbow Six Siege,GTA 5 etc.

GTA 5 @ 1080p*

Edited August 3, 2016 by n4MiA
forgot one thing

[Trav_X]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Just give me your budget and I guarantee I'll make it the best bang for the buck you can get. Do you game at 1080p?

Bro can you do that for me? I'm in a $1000 budget and I need a build 

 

Here is the build as planned

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/n4yzNN

 

i already kind of have a thread up tho

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, n4MiA said:

 

My budget is between $800-$900 and

I choose gtx 1070 because I game at 1440p

I played Rocket League,PA:Titans,Rainbow Six Siege,GTA 5 etc.

You might as well get the GTX 1060 because the 1070 will be limited by the low-end i5 anyway to the point when it's gonna perform around a 1060 anyway, not to mention stuttering caused by the cores being pegged at 100%.

The 1060 is still a very capable 1440p card.

 

I'll be back in a few minutes with a ready build as my internet likes to mess with me today and PCPartPicker works slow af.

 

1 minute ago, Trav_X said:

Bro can you do that for me? I'm in a $1000 budget and I need a build 

 

Here is the build as planned

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/n4yzNN

 

i already kind of have a thread up tho

Sure, just give me some time due to internet issues.

[n4MiA]

Just now, Trav_X said:

Bro can you do that for me? I'm in a $1000 budget and I need a build 

 

Here is the build as planned

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/n4yzNN

 

i already kind of have a thread up tho

I'm not from America so the only place I can buy it is from Amazon

Since Amazon ship Internationally :))

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, n4MiA said:

I'm not from America so the only place I can buy it is from Amazon

Since Amazon ship Internationally :))

You can select Amazon as the only retailer on pcpartpicker. I'll do that.

[n4MiA]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You might as well get the GTX 1060 because the 1070 will be limited by the low-end i5 anyway to the point when it's gonna perform around a 1060 anyway, not to mention stuttering caused by the cores being pegged at 100%.

The 1060 is still a very capable 1440p card.

 

I'll be back in a few minutes with a ready build as my internet likes to mess with me today and PCPartPicker works slow af.

 

Sure, just give me some time due to internet issues.

I've read some thread saying that the i5-6500 doesn't bottleneck GTX 1070 that much actually

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, n4MiA said:

I've read some thread saying that the i5-6500 doesn't bottleneck GTX 1070 that much actually

Even an OC'd 4690K to 4,5gHz bottlenecks the 1070, and the OC'd 4690k is significantly faster than the 6500. At 1080p, the 4690k @4,5gHz bottlenecks the 1070 by up to 25% in The Witcher 3. That's really a lot.

 

Damn, I don't think I'll be able to put the build together now as my internet just refuses to work with PCpartpicker. LTT works fine though, idk what to think. I'll try again in half an hour, see if I can do that then.

[SteveGrabowski0]

18 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You might as well get the GTX 1060 because the 1070 will be limited by the low-end i5 anyway to the point when it's gonna perform around a 1060 anyway, not to mention stuttering caused by the cores being pegged at 100%.

That's ridiculous advice at 1440p for someone trying to push 60 fps.

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

That's ridiculous advice at 1440p for someone trying to push 60 fps.

GTX 1060 will push 60FPS at 1440p easily. All you need to do is to crank down some very heavy settings.

 

Getting a better CPU and a 1060 will allow him to only upgrade the GPU when he needs more performance, getting that low-end i5 and a 1070 will make him upgrade much more than just the GPU if he wants to do so.

[n4MiA]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

GTX 1060 will push 60FPS at 1440p easily. All you need to do is to crank down some very heavy settings.

 

Getting a better CPU and a 1060 will allow him to only upgrade the GPU when he needs more performance, getting that low-end i5 and a 1070 will make him upgrade much more than just the GPU if he wants to do so.

another reason I didn't pick 1060

because 1060 don't SLI

so its better to pick 1070

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

GTX 1060 will push 60FPS at 1440p easily. All you need to do is to crank down some very heavy settings.

 

Getting a better CPU and a 1060 will allow him to only upgrade the GPU when he needs more performance, getting that low-end i5 and a 1070 will make him upgrade much more than just the GPU if he wants to do so.

A 1060 isn't going to handle 1440p that well, it's not close to the 1070 which is a true 1440p 60 Hz gpu. I'm an i7 fan but that's ridiculous to recommend one for someone on a $900 budget. Witcher 3 barely drops below 70 fps in Novigrad in the benchmark below and GTA V's framerate looks like shit because they maxed it with all the advanced settings that murder the cpu.

 

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

This would be my pick in that budget for 1440p 60 Hz gaming. It's $27.42 over budget but you're getting the gpu you want (and you want that kind of power for 1440p), an excellent cpu, fast RAM which really does make a difference in cpu heavy games like GTA V (I got a 10% improvement to minimum framerate in GTA V on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system when upgrading from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400), an absolute top notch full tower case, a very good power supply (it's a Seasonic OEM), and a Z170 board in case you ever want to upgrade to an unlocked i7 in Kaby Lake or Cannonlake. I would advise buying a second 8GB stick of that RAM later on when you have a few bucks extra, or just buying a similar matching pair if you can do it now.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($429.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($53.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $927.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 14:51 EDT-0400

[SteveGrabowski0]

And hell, you might be able to flash an old BIOS onto that board to BCLK overclock it like they did. BCLK overclocking is a pain in the ass for many reasons compared to the simple multiplier OC you could do with a 6600k, but it's still doable on Skylake.

[SteveGrabowski0]

46 minutes ago, n4MiA said:

I'm not from America so the only place I can buy it is from Amazon

Since Amazon ship Internationally :))

Aw fuck, that really complicates things since Amazon prices aren't very good.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Here would be a good 1440p system from amazon in relatively close to that budget. Their power supply and case prices are terrible. You'd probably be better off buying a case in your home country and not overpaying and then paying shipping on something bulky and heavy like a case.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($213.38 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-E Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($67.74 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($437.48 @ Amazon) 
Case: Rosewill Challenger S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($50.24 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($77.45 @ Amazon) 
Total: $925.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 15:12 EDT-0400

[Gokufighther]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The i5 will bottleneck the 1070 heavily. Get a 1060 and upgrade the rest of the parts. For 1080p, a GTX 1070 is a waste anyway.

 

What is your budget?

that i5 will NOT bottleneck a 1070. Yes, it wont get 300fps every game 1080p due to the cpu slowing it down a bit, but if we are being real here, it will definitely not bottleneck it past 120ish fps 1080p on modern games

[Gokufighther]

1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

This would be my pick in that budget for 1440p 60 Hz gaming. It's $27.42 over budget but you're getting the gpu you want (and you want that kind of power for 1440p), an excellent cpu, fast RAM which really does make a difference in cpu heavy games like GTA V (I got a 10% improvement to minimum framerate in GTA V on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system when upgrading from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400), an absolute top notch full tower case, a very good power supply (it's a Seasonic OEM), and a Z170 board in case you ever want to upgrade to an unlocked i7 in Kaby Lake or Cannonlake. I would advise buying a second 8GB stick of that RAM later on when you have a few bucks extra, or just buying a similar matching pair if you can do it now.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($429.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($53.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $927.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-03 14:51 EDT-0400

that psu... get the evga 600w b... i know that psu has shit caps on it, rated at like 85C, not good considering 105 is the lowest you want

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, Gokufighther said:

that i5 will NOT bottleneck a 1070. Yes, it wont get 300fps every game 1080p due to the cpu slowing it down a bit, but if we are being real here, it will definitely not bottleneck it past 120ish fps 1080p on modern games

"CPU slowing it down a bit" - that is precisely what a bottleneck is.