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ZaTrox
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11 hours ago, ZaTrox said:

what ??? how could it be my own fault that they didn't include VAT in their prices ?

 

oh sorry then in which one should i post it ?

That's how it works in North American. 

Isnt rhat how it works in the UK? VAT (sales tax?) is added to the price after

 

so a $526 r9 390 is actually. $525x1.13 (Ontario sales tax)

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2 hours ago, spwath said:

There is no vat in us, just a about 8% sales tax.

Sales tax varies pretty significantly. I've been in some areas where it's as low as 4.5% and some areas where it's as high as 14%.

5 minutes ago, themctipers said:

Isnt rhat how it works in the UK? VAT (sales tax?) is added to the price after

No it isn't. It's typically automatically added on the tag, what you see is what you pay.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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5 minutes ago, Suika said:

Sales tax varies pretty significantly. I've been in some areas where it's as low as 4.5% and some areas where it's as high as 14%.

No it isn't. It's typically automatically added on the tag, what you see is what you pay.

Oh shit

 

thats so convient 

 

why doesnt North America have that? :( 

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138 is a good number.

 

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15 minutes ago, Suika said:

Sales tax varies pretty significantly. I've been in some areas where it's as low as 4.5% and some areas where it's as high as 14%.

No it isn't. It's typically automatically added on the tag, what you see is what you pay.

Thats why I said about.

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On 7/23/2016 at 8:39 AM, ZaTrox said:

Yeah but that is kind of disappointing that a company is doing this in order to get more customers from outside of USA 

Your fault AKA Brexit

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Your fault AKA Brexit

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Also, most places like Newegg probably don't really care about international sales. It's probably such a low percentage of their sales so they honestly probably don't care. 

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11 minutes ago, NannerBeans said:

Also, most places like Newegg probably don't really care about international sales. It's probably such a low percentage of their sales so they honestly probably don't care. 

I don't think they don't care, I think it's more of they are thinking like an American company (because they are) and listing the price like they do in the US to avoid having to rewrite their code for their website and shopping cart. I mean it's nice that they already do the currency conversion on their site but trying to take into account VAT before knowing what country the user is from is probably not easy. I mean what if the visitor was in CountryA with 11% VAT but their IP's geolocation showed CountryB with 9% VAT and the person got to the checkout page and after entering their address the price, this thread would have still been created.

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I don't think they don't care, I think it's more of they are thinking like an American company (because they are) and listing the price like they do in the US to avoid having to rewrite their code for their website and shopping cart. I mean it's nice that they already do the currency conversion on their site but trying to take into account VAT before knowing what country the user is from is probably not easy. I mean what if the visitor was in CountryA with 11% VAT but their IP's geolocation showed CountryB with 9% VAT and the person got to the checkout page and after entering their address the price, this thread would have still been created.

Oh yeah I have no doubt that it was not intentional but I'm also saying that I doubt they care about international sales either. 

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12 hours ago, ZaTrox said:

so i was planing on buying a monitor (vg248qe), a cpu (i7-6700K) and a psu, and all of them had a good deals where i was saving £30 from each deal BUT i noticed one thing and that is the fact that these prices didn't include VAT and shipping cost >:( which were shown to be in a basket section of this page just as i wanted to buy them, so thanks newegg.co.uk for wasting my time with you 

Newegg has never been great. There's no reason to buy from them ever... I'd honestly even stand by my statement if they have a massive sale because that extra money off is not worth the extra money you'll lose if they screw up.

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15 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Shipping is always a bitch. VAT is your own governments fault. Blame them.

 

15 hours ago, KuJoe said:

Isn't the VAT % dependent on the country in the EU?

Yes but my point is that they didn't add it to their price which is what most of the companies do in Europe, also I didn't know that in US you yourself have to do a math and add tax to the products and this looks rly stupid/ inconvenient to me.

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14 hours ago, fortsatt regn said:

Newegg has never been great. There's no reason to buy from them ever... I'd honestly even stand by my statement if they have a massive sale because that extra money off is not worth the extra money you'll lose if they screw up.

Yeah now i know... I heard of this site from yt because many ppl recommended so I go there and when i see that 6700K  is 10%off from about £300 to about £260 I immediately thought that this is legit website because i did see some 6700K for £300. However when i noticed that this is without vat it was like slap to the face because with vat the price is around £320 and i could easily find this cpu for less than that. Now i know that these ppl were from US  

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19 hours ago, colonel_mortis said:

Yes, but everywhere in the UK includes VAT in prices (unless it's primarily targeting businesses, in which case there is normally a prominent switch to choose whether to include VAT or not). Nobody looks to see whether there is VAT included in the price, because it always is.

Newegg UK makes absolutely no sense - the prices look cheap until you notice that it doesn't include VAT, at which point it's already more expensive than just buying it over here, before shipping and customs fees have been taken into account.

Yeah and i guess this is a main reason why i didn't even look if they included a vat 

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35 minutes ago, ZaTrox said:

 

Yes but my point is that they didn't add it to their price which is what most of the companies do in Europe, also I didn't know that in US you yourself have to do a math and add tax to the products and this looks rly stupid/ inconvenient to me.

You can't expect a company to account for taxes for every city/county/state. If it was a country-wide tax (like VAT) it would be easy but since it's not it's not as simple for companies located in different areas to adjust for each individual location so putting the price of the item is much more accurate. Expecting a US company to act like a UK company is asking a lot.

 

It also makes it hard to determine the cost of a product and how much of the price is going towards taxes.

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Here's a good explanation from a store owner also:

 

The reason why you don't see prices with sales tax calculated in is mainly because it's not calculated on the item, it's based off the total at the point of sale. There are also tax and accounting problems that make it impractical to list sales tax on the shelf price. I'd have to email my accountant with the exact explanation since we had this discussion before but it has been 5+ years so I don't remember the details.

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You can't expect a company to account for taxes for every city/county/state.

Sure you can, it's how nearly every other country in the world does it. Every piece of point of sale and accounting software has the fields/functions built in to handle it!

 

Not paying what you see on the sticker is very, very illegal here (and in the UK) - deceptive marketing.

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2 hours ago, KuJoe said:

You can't expect a company to account for taxes for every city/county/state. If it was a country-wide tax (like VAT) it would be easy but since it's not it's not as simple for companies located in different areas to adjust for each individual location so putting the price of the item is much more accurate. Expecting a US company to act like a UK company is asking a lot.

 

It also makes it hard to determine the cost of a product and how much of the price is going towards taxes.

As i said before I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IN US COMPANIES DON'T ADD TAX because in Europe every international business does it and it doesn't look like a big problem to them but hey i am not discriminating US because they don't do it, it just looks weird and deceptive to me and all companies that does it don't give me a good impression on themselves. AND as this guy said 

 

2 hours ago, Dredgy said:

Sure you can, it's how nearly every other country in the world does it. Every piece of point of sale and accounting software has the fields/functions built in to handle it!

 

Not paying what you see on the sticker is very, very illegal here (and in the UK) - deceptive marketing.

 

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Welcome to the deceptive marketing of retailers. Tax is almost never included in prices, nor is shipping. That's always a fun surprise you get at the screen before your credit card is processed. It's shitty, but it's just the way it is.

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Welcome to the deceptive marketing of retailers. Tax is almost never included in prices, nor is shipping. That's always a fun surprise you get at the screen before your credit card is processed. It's shitty, but it's just the way it is.

and the worst part is that its all true

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47 minutes ago, ogretactics said:

Welcome to the deceptive marketing of retailers. Tax is almost never included in prices, nor is shipping. 

 

Thats only true in North America. Tax is always required to be included (by law) in the large majority of countries. Shipping, not so much.

 

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Thats only true in North America. Tax is always required to be included (by law) in the large majority of countries. Shipping, not so much.

 

Yea, I know. It should be that way in NA, too. I'd much rather see the real price of something, without having to do a quick estimate in my head to figure out approximately how much it costs. Damn taxation.

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7 hours ago, Dredgy said:

Sure you can, it's how nearly every other country in the world does it. Every piece of point of sale and accounting software has the fields/functions built in to handle it!

 

Not paying what you see on the sticker is very, very illegal here (and in the UK) - deceptive marketing.

Not true at all. All of the online shopping cart software I have ever seen/used did not have a field/function for multiple different taxes based on location. At most they let you set one tax in the event you're using the software for local sales only.

 

In the US it's the exact opposite, in some states it's illegal to post the exact price of something and heaven help you if you post the "exact" price and it's wrong by a few cents and now you're dealing with a lawsuit because you didn't take into account a special tax for the item. Chalk it up to cultural/political differences, both methods have their benefits.

 

4 hours ago, ogretactics said:

Welcome to the deceptive marketing of retailers. Tax is almost never included in prices, nor is shipping. That's always a fun surprise you get at the screen before your credit card is processed. It's shitty, but it's just the way it is.

It has nothing to do with marketing though.

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2 hours ago, KuJoe said:

Not true at all. All of the online shopping cart software I have ever seen/used did not have a field/function for multiple different taxes based on location. At most they let you set one tax in the event you're using the software for local sales only.

 

In the US it's the exact opposite, in some states it's illegal to post the exact price of something and heaven help you if you post the "exact" price and it's wrong by a few cents and now you're dealing with a lawsuit because you didn't take into account a special tax for the item. Chalk it up to cultural/political differences, both methods have their benefits.

I don't understand how can it be wrong though... i mean a computer will do all of the calculation so it will be right and if that was a huge problem then how come i can see a product on one site with a vat from UK and for example PL when i change a currency ? can't that be implemented in the US system ? and what kind of benefit does it give other than screw people of their money (benefit to a business cause they earn more money)?

 

2 hours ago, KuJoe said:

It has nothing to do with marketing though.

yes it does because marketing contain 4P which is product, price, promotion and place (basic knowledge of business from school)

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9 minutes ago, ZaTrox said:

I don't understand how can it be wrong though... i mean a computer will do all of the calculation so it will be right and if that was a huge problem then how come i can see a product on one site with a vat from UK and for example PL when i change a currency ? can't that be implemented in the US system ? and what kind of benefit does it give other than screw people of their money (benefit to a business cause they earn more money)?

 

Its because Tax in the US is very complicated. The rate vary's widely in most states, and in some places like Oregon, there isn't even a sales tax to begin with, they just pay a higher property tax. And a lot of times different cities and counties will have a different tax rate, and a lot of ISP's set your location as their hub, and that would give you an incorrect item price, which as mentioned above is illegal. It mostly boils down to them making sure that they dont give an incorrect price and have someone sue them, since the US loves to do that. Its much easier to just have it be calculated by the exact address its being billed to, so they can avoid a mistake by relying on the users computer to give them a correct adress.

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1 hour ago, ZaTrox said:

I don't understand how can it be wrong though... i mean a computer will do all of the calculation so it will be right and if that was a huge problem then how come i can see a product on one site with a vat from UK and for example PL when i change a currency ? can't that be implemented in the US system ? and what kind of benefit does it give other than screw people of their money (benefit to a business cause they earn more money)?

Taxes in the US are not a flat tax across the board like VAT. Different products have different taxes and some products do not have any taxes at all. The taxes can vary by city and county within the same state so a Walmart in one city might charge a 10% tax while a Walmart a few miles away might charge a 6% tax. VAT on the other hand is a country-wide tax so no matter where you go in the UK the tax will always be the same right? Implementing a system with a universal tax is much easier than implementing one with hundreds of different taxes. Sure, it would be easier if the federal government here in the US made a universal tax but they cannot legally prevent local governments (city/county/state) from also taxing products since they have to pay for stuff also. The benefit consumers get is they can see exactly how much of their payment went towards taxes which allows people to write it off at the end of the year depending on the product/service. The benefit to businesses is when they go to pay their taxes at the end of the year they know exactly how much they owe down to the penny and have an itemized record of the taxes their clients spent. The business does not earn more money from this, 100% of the taxes they receive goes to somebody else nor does it cost consumers anything more since the same tax would be there regardless if it's included in the price tag or not. A good example of why it's better to not have the taxes included in the price tag is when you're purchasing a big ticket item like a car or house where you can negotiate the price, when you negotiate the price you're negotiating for the pre-tax price.

 

Say a car is $10,000 (for simplicity sake), if the price tag said $10,000 plus 7% tax the total cost would be $10,700. Now say you negotiated the price down $2,000, the new price tag would be $8,000 plus 7% tax making the total cost $8,560. Now if the price tag showed the $10,700 to begin with and you negotiated the price down $2,000 the new total cost would be $8,700. Sure, we're only talking $140 but add another zero and you just saved $1,400.

 

1 hour ago, ZaTrox said:

yes it does because marketing contain 4P which is product, price, promotion and place (basic knowledge of business from school)

It's about legality and not marketing though. While browsing around looking for laws regarding this I did find something interesting in regards to marketing though. Imagine a company having to record a commercial for every city/county/state in the country. That would be a nightmare. Without including taxes in the price they just need to record a single commercial for a product with the retail price of the item excluding taxes and that commercial and be legally aired country-wide without violating any laws in regards to false advertising.

 

EDIT: Also, I'd like to say as a business owner in the US, the tax system can definitely use an overhaul. It's complex to the point I get annoyed I have to pay somebody else to handle my taxes and hope and pray they don't make a mistake that can cost me my business.

-KuJoe

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