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So I delidded my 3570K a while ago and replaced the TIM under the IHS with some crappy coolermaster stuff and put the IHS back on. Basically the temps are the same and I'm curious to know why. I have a Hyper 212 on my 3570K and I know it's a pretty crappy cooler but it's all i have right now but I would amagine even that cooler would be able to drop the temps after delid but it doesn't seem to.

 

Should I directly mount the cooler to the die or no?

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1 minute ago, Rune said:

You use crappy cooling components and then question as to why your results aren't any good.

My point is it made almost zero difference and I think it should be at least a few degrees more but it's not.

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3 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

My point is it made almost zero difference and I think it should be at least a few degrees more but it's not.

You're still only radiating as much heat as your 212 can release, with or without the delidding process. Basic science here.

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The so called "Crappy Coolermaster Stuff" as you put it is the reason.

It is more than likely no better than what Intel had under there in the 1st place.
You need to put Cool Laboratory's Liquid Ultra under there to see any difference.

Do a You Tube search & it will show you How! What! & Where!

 

 

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when i delid, using the coollabs ultra that does lower the temperatures.

 

but not all CPUs need delidding. the silicon lottery does crap on a lot of dreams.

usually the reason is for exceptional core variances 10-15° hotter core than the rest.

rarely all cores are hot means crap lottery CPU.

 

you can try direct-die mount and this will tell you if the crap cm TIM is crap or the silicon is just not a good candidate for thermal happiness.

 

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26 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

So I delidded my 3570K a while ago and replaced the TIM under the IHS with some crappy coolermaster stuff and put the IHS back on. Basically the temps are the same and I'm curious to know why. I have a Hyper 212 on my 3570K and I know it's a pretty crappy cooler but it's all i have right now but I would amagine even that cooler would be able to drop the temps after delid but it doesn't seem to.

 

Should I directly mount the cooler to the die or no?

The Cooler Master thermal paste isn't actually better than the stuff Intel puts in there

 

I'm sure the avid delidders of the forum can recommend you a good TIM for the heatspreader.

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14 minutes ago, Purplehazeffc said:

The so called "Crappy Coolermaster Stuff" as you put it is the reason.

It is more than likely no better than what Intel had under there in the 1st place.
You need to put Cool Laboratory's Liquid Ultra under there to see any difference.

Do a You Tube search & it will show you How! What! & Where!

This is correct.

 

In order to do direct mount (which I did on water), you have to remove the mobo cpu retention mechanism.

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I would not direct mount with a big aircooler like the 212.  A waterblock maybe but even still there is usually only a few degress between bare die and delidded, with a 10-20 degree delidded difference in some cases.  

I assume you also removed all of the black glue that intel puts on the IHS?  because that is the main benefit of delidding.  Intel's TIM actually isn't bad, it is the small gap created by the thick glue that they leave between the die and IHS.  I can't look for it now but someone tested the existing intel TIM with the glue removed and dropped a decent temp.

 

Also what kind of OC are you running?  If you weren't pushing it to begin with, then delidding it with an aircooler probably will have no noticeable difference.  Also as stated, liquid metal TIM (Cool  labs ultra/pro, Phoyba LM) is really a must have for delidding.  Some other "normal" TIM will work and then fail shortly after because they "pump out" due to heat cycling and expansion.  

 

 

If you really wanna delve into delidding info >> http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-club-guide  use the "search this thread" button at the top or just browse through the last 10-20 pages as things tend to repeat themselves a lot 

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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

I don't think Ivy bridge had bad TIM to begin with? You can't seriously expect anything by replacing with "crappy coolermaster stuff" 

Ivy Bridge was the start of the crappy tim. Sandy was soldered, but ivy switched to Tim.

 

Anyways, use some sort of liquid metal paste under the IHS like Coolabratorys Liquid Ultra or Thermal Grizzly Konductonaut and you will see much better temps. As for direct die mount, EK has a kit for their Supermacy Series of Blocks if you ever decided to watercool.

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