Fx to intel

[Moress]

So, Im currently running an Fx 8350 and was thinking about upgrading to an Intel build so I can take advantage of that juicy single thread performance bump.

 

I just did some other upgrades so im trying to not empty the rest of my bank account.

 

I was curious if I would be better to upgrade to a Haswell I5 and save on purchasing new ram, or bump up to skylake I5.

[wraptor]

4 minutes ago, Moress said:

So, Im currently running an Fx 8350 and was thinking about upgrading to an Intel build so I can take advantage of that juicy single thread performance bump.

 

I just did some other upgrades so im trying to not empty the rest of my bank account.

 

I was curious if I would be better to upgrade to a Haswell I5 and save on purchasing new ram, or bump up to skylake I5.

Save the RAM and the motherboard

Buying Skylake also requires you to go to 1151 socket
A 4690K will do the trick and gives you a OC headroom aswell.

EDIT: i5-4690K

[Rune]

Depends what you want to do. If you want to do video editing or anything truly processor intensive, go with the cheaper 1150 platform and aim for a 4790k on sale. (Check Microcenter, they will ALWAYS have the cheapest CPUs) The extra threads will help with rendering and such. If you are just looking to game, I'd go for a 6600k and a decent z170 board, that way you have more of an upgrade path in the future even if it is slightly more expensive now.

[stconquest]

Ram is cheap:  16GB (2x8GB) 3000MHz GSkill Ripsaw V costs $70

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T9Gj4D/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvk

 

2400MHz - $53:  http://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vWrxr/gskill-memory-f42400c15d16gvr

[spartaman64]

ddr4 ram dropped a lot in price and its pretty much the same as ddr3 ram rn so imo its worth it to go skylake with ddr4

[wraptor]

6 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

ddr4 ram dropped a lot in price and its pretty much the same as ddr3 ram rn so imo its worth it to go skylake with ddr4

Correct, but we are trying to keep the costs as low as possible...

 

[Thony]

Skylake would be best so u dont fall far behind in case u keep your CPU for next 3+ years. If u can find cheaper haswell CPU and will upgrade in 2+ years then get haswell. Preferably K chip so u stay relevant for longer.

[spartaman64]

4 minutes ago, tv15dsi said:

Correct, but we are trying to keep the costs as low as possible...

 

i see like 3 dollars difference between ddr3 16GB and ddr4 16GB and i dont think 3 dollars makes that much of a difference

[wraptor]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

i see like 3 dollars difference between ddr3 16GB and ddr4 16GB and i dont think 3 dollars makes that much of a difference

3 dollars for Memory, $150-isch for a decent motherboard and another $250 for the i5....

[Moress]

9 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Ram is cheap:  16GB (2x8GB) 3000MHz GSkill Ripsaw V costs $70

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T9Gj4D/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvk

 

2400MHz - $53:  http://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vWrxr/gskill-memory-f42400c15d16gvr

Yeah but I could put that 50-70 towards a better Haswell cpu.

[Cyracus]

ddr4 prices aren't gonna rise any time soon so go with an i7/i5 4xxxk and reuse your ram, raw performance increases between intel generations are minimal so skylake isn't going to give you much longer usable life

[spartaman64]

3 minutes ago, tv15dsi said:

3 dollars for Memory, $150-isch for a decent motherboard and another $350 for the i5....

the motherboards cost pretty much the same and so does a similar speed cpu

[dizmo]

If I were you I'd go with some used stuff. I know, I know. Shame. But it's the best way to keep the cost down if you're really just looking for a cheap performance boost. If not, then I'd go with the Haswell chips to save the RAM. I just hate the thought of paying the same prices for "old" tech as new, hence the used option. The CPU's should still have warranty left so if they are DOA, you'll get a new one.

 

Once you sell your old CPU/mobo, that should easily pay for the new CPU, leaving you with the low cost of a motherboard.

 

1 hour ago, Rune said:

Depends what you want to do. If you want to do video editing or anything truly processor intensive, go with the cheaper 1150 platform and aim for a 4790k on sale. (Check Microcenter, they will ALWAYS have the cheapest CPUs) The extra threads will help with rendering and such. If you are just looking to game, I'd go for a 6600k and a decent z170 board, that way you have more of an upgrade path in the future even if it is slightly more expensive now.

Or the Xeon. Which would be the better bet if it's mostly video editing to keep the costs down.

1 hour ago, spartaman64 said:

i see like 3 dollars difference between ddr3 16GB and ddr4 16GB and i dont think 3 dollars makes that much of a difference

I don't think you get it. If he goes with Haswell, he doesn't have to spend the money on RAM at all; he can simply reuse the stuff he has.

[spartaman64]

11 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If I were you I'd go with some used stuff. I know, I know. Shame. But it's the best way to keep the cost down if you're really just looking for a cheap performance boost. If not, then I'd go with the Haswell chips to save the RAM. I just hate the thought of paying the same prices for "old" tech as new, hence the used option. The CPU's should still have warranty left so if they are DOA, you'll get a new one.

 

Once you sell your old CPU/mobo, that should easily pay for the new CPU, leaving you with the low cost of a motherboard.

 

Or the Xeon. Which would be the better bet if it's mostly video editing to keep the costs down.

I don't think you get it. If he goes with Haswell, he doesn't have to spend the money on RAM at all; he can simply reuse the stuff he has.

oh sorry misread

[stconquest]

1 hour ago, Moress said:

Yeah but I could put that 50-70 towards a better Haswell cpu.

 

What is your budget?

 

 

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, tv15dsi said:

Save the RAM and the motherboard

Buying Skylake also requires you to go to 1151 socket
A 4690K will do the trick and gives you a OC headroom aswell.

EDIT: i5-4690K

i5-4690K is not a good-enough upgrade. This comes from someone who recently switched from the 8350 to an i7-3770, which is faster than the 4690k.

[Moress]

5 minutes ago, stconquest said:

 

What is your budget?

 

 

If I could stay around $300 Id be happy but I could go up to $350 if I have to. I have a microcenter nearby that has a 6600k for 199.99 so Im starting to lean towards Skylake.

Whats the best priced Skylake mobo if I have no interest with overclocking? And would going cheap on Ram be bad? Because i heard more expensive ram is just a gimmick

[Moress]

6 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

i5-4690K is not a good-enough upgrade. This comes from someone who recently switched from the 8350 to an i7-3770, which is faster than the 4690k.

Is the upgrade worth it at all right now or should I wait for the next intel generation/zen?

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Moress said:

Is the upgrade worth it at all right now or should I wait for the next intel generation/zen?

Wait for Zen. Worst case scenario, you'll just get Skylake then if Zen disappoints. It should also get cheaper.

[Moress]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Wait for Zen. Worst case scenario, you'll just get Skylake then if Zen disappoints. It should also get cheaper.

Isnt Zen slated for a 2017 release?

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Moress said:

Isnt Zen slated for a 2017 release?

No. It's gonna release Q4 this year.

[Moress]

7 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

No. It's gonna release Q4 this year.

Alright, its going to be DDR4, right?

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Moress said:

Alright, its going to be DDR4, right?

Yep it's DDR4, AM4 should be full of features.

[stconquest]

32 minutes ago, Moress said:

If I could stay around $300 Id be happy but I could go up to $350 if I have to. I have a microcenter nearby that has a 6600k for 199.99 so Im starting to lean towards Skylake.

Whats the best priced Skylake mobo if I have no interest with overclocking? And would going cheap on Ram be bad? Because i heard more expensive ram is just a gimmick

On Haswell, you could do something like this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $309.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:17 EDT-0400

 

The Xeon is a smarter route, but you lose out on having an iGPU.  You don't need massive overclocking for gaming, and you get the benefit of Hyper Threading.

 

For Skylake:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $305.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:20 EDT-0400

 

Personally I would save more for the K-Series/Z-Series.  Overclocking Haswells and Skylakes right now is not as much a benefit to gaming as it will be 5-10 years down the road.  An i7 6700K will easily last 5 years and probably closer to 10.

 

RAM speed does improve the quality of game play in specific situations where there is high CPU overhead.  It will cause the game to have higher minimum frame rates that make a more stable gaming experience.

[Moress]

57 minutes ago, stconquest said:

On Haswell, you could do something like this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $309.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:17 EDT-0400

 

The Xeon is a smarter route, but you lose out on having an iGPU.  You don't need massive overclocking for gaming, and you get the benefit of Hyper Threading.

 

For Skylake:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $305.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:20 EDT-0400

 

Personally I would save more for the K-Series/Z-Series.  Overclocking Haswells and Skylakes right now is not as much a benefit to gaming as it will be 5-10 years down the road.  An i7 6700K will easily last 5 years and probably closer to 10.

 

RAM speed does improve the quality of game play in specific situations where there is high CPU overhead.  It will cause the game to have higher minimum frame rates that make a more stable gaming experience.

I can grab a 6600k from a nearby microcenter for 200 so Id go with that route.

But is a 8350 to 6600k going to be a really noticeable upgrade? 

Note that im running a gtx 970 right now.