How dated is Ivy Bridge

[The Falcon]

Hi There, 

 

I am looking at getting an intel 3770 either non k or s as an upgrade to my core 2 quad. They sell at really really amazing prices here and I can get the cpu, a good motherboard and ram for the same price as a 5th generation i7 chip here maybe even less. 

 

If this a good choice though or has the chips lived out their usefulness? 

 

I just wanna hear what everyones thoughts is on this decision. I havent gone ahead with the purchase and probably wont for another month.

[Starelementpoke]

1 minute ago, The Falcon said:

Hi There, 

 

I am looking at getting an intel 3770 either non k or s as an upgrade to my core 2 quad. They sell at really really amazing prices here and I can get the cpu, a good motherboard and ram for the same price as a 5th generation i7 chip here maybe even less. 

 

If this a good choice though or has the chips lived out their usefulness? 

 

I just wanna hear what everyones thoughts is on this decision. I havent gone ahead with the purchase and probably wont for another month.

Eh, it's still got a good chunk of life in it.

 

[The Falcon]

5 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Eh, it's still got a good chunk of life in it.

 

Thats the thought I had but I am interested to hear if I may of been the only one who thought that.

[Starelementpoke]

1 minute ago, The Falcon said:

Thats the thought I had but I am interested to hear if I may of been the only one who thought that.

No, not really. Plaenty of people have used 2600ks and such from used markets for budget builds.

[The Falcon]

2 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

No, not really. Plaenty of people have used 2600ks and such from used markets for budget builds.

I am glad to hear this. Thank you

[porina]

Like a lot of things, it depends on what you do with it. For general stuff like gaming, it will be plenty enough to get along with. It will still be a significant update from Core 2 era CPUs. 

[The Falcon]

2 minutes ago, gFrenken97 said:

That would be a nice upgrade if you can get a good price, Ivy Bridge is still great, even Sandy Bridge

Well here is a recent listing locally for second hand http://carbonite.co.za/f39/msi-z77-mpower-3770s-8gb-dominator-ram-130454/ and here is the price for a new 6th generation i7 http://www.rebeltech.co.za/lga1151/10639-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-400ghz-quad-core-lga1151-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-bx80662i76700k-400ghz-with-turbo-core-420ghz-lg.html 

The difference is very large

[The Falcon]

9 minutes ago, porina said:

Like a lot of things, it depends on what you do with it. For general stuff like gaming, it will be plenty enough to get along with. It will still be a significant update from Core 2 era CPUs. 

Gaming is pretty much the most intense stuff it will do. The rest of my work doesnt really put that much pressure on my Q6600 as it is.

[Coaxialgamer]

I personnally have a 3770k . It's still very relevant because of the minor improvements we've been getting in the last generation . OC heat is an issue because of the poor TIM ( delidded mine ).

But it's still a very solid processor IMO .

 

edit: but z77 boards are very expensive and quite hard to find ( at least where i live )

[incarnate]

Nah there's not much to worry about. It'll perform well enough for a good while yet. It's only about 10% below haswell in terms of performance.

 

I would recommend the non k over the s. The k version would be better but more expensive so I can understand why you wouldn't get it, but I wouldn't get the s since it is designed to be a lower power chip.

[The Falcon]

2 minutes ago, incarnate said:

Nah there's not much to worry about. It'll perform well enough for a good while yet. It's only about 10% below haswell in terms of performance.

 

I would recommend the non k over the s. The k version would be better but more expensive so I can understand why you wouldn't get it, but I wouldn't get the s since it is designed to be a lower power chip.

Is the performance difference really that big? I know its a lower power chip but does it not turbo to 3.9 at the end of the day or can it not turbo to it for that long? My laptops Celeron sits at full turbo speed 24/7 because Celeron so I assumed the S could do the same

[incarnate]

2 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Is the performance difference really that big? I know its a lower power chip but does it not turbo to 3.9 at the end of the day or can it not turbo to it for that long? My laptops Celeron sits at full turbo speed 24/7 because Celeron so I assumed the S could do the same

You'll only get 1 core to 3.9 ghz. The more cores that get heavily loaded the lower the turbo speed. So for that i7 will do 3.9/3.8/3.7 for 1/2/3+ cores. Never assume that just because one thing does something, that something different will do the same thing. The S might have different turbo bins, and different turbo rules since it is a lower tdp chip, but I'm not entirely sure.

 

At the end of the day, it's your call but you're buying a cpu that's 3 generations behind. That's why I recommend against the S. You're already at a lower performance level, why risk making that worse? Again though, the choice is yours

[The Falcon]

5 minutes ago, incarnate said:

You'll only get 1 core to 3.9 ghz. The more cores that get heavily loaded the lower the turbo speed. So for that i7 will do 3.9/3.8/3.7 for 1/2/3+ cores. Never assume that just because one thing does something, that something different will do the same thing. The S might have different turbo bins, and different turbo rules since it is a lower tdp chip, but I'm not entirely sure.

 

At the end of the day, it's your call but you're buying a cpu that's 3 generations behind. That's why I recommend against the S. You're already at a lower performance level, why risk making that worse? Again though, the choice is yours

I value your comment. Thank you

[Morgan MLGman]

17 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Is the performance difference really that big? I know its a lower power chip but does it not turbo to 3.9 at the end of the day or can it not turbo to it for that long? My laptops Celeron sits at full turbo speed 24/7 because Celeron so I assumed the S could do the same

 

7 minutes ago, incarnate said:

You'll only get 1 core to 3.9 ghz. The more cores that get heavily loaded the lower the turbo speed. So for that i7 will do 3.9/3.8/3.7 for 1/2/3+ cores. Never assume that just because one thing does something, that something different will do the same thing. The S might have different turbo bins, and different turbo rules since it is a lower tdp chip, but I'm not entirely sure.

 

At the end of the day, it's your call but you're buying a cpu that's 3 generations behind. That's why I recommend against the S. You're already at a lower performance level, why risk making that worse? Again though, the choice is yours

Actually, I've got an i7-3770S. And you can run it @3,9gHz base clock with Turbo Boost to 4,3gHz (on two cores) and it goes down to 4,1-4,2 across all cores.

 

Remember that Ivy Bridge had a feature that allowed you to "Overclock" non-K CPUs by 4 bins = 400mHz.

 

As for @The Falcon's question, whether there's a difference between a newer i7 and an Ivy Bridge one, there is, if you use a very high-end GPU.
My OC'd R9 290X (which surpasses a stock GTX 980 in DX11, let alone DX12) is not powerful enough to notice a difference, and this is still a pretty powerful GPU. Powerful enough to max out any game @1080p. You would feel a difference running a OC'd 980Ti, GTX 1070 or a 1080.

[The Falcon]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Actually, I've got an i7-3770S. And you can run it @3,9gHz base clock with Turbo Boost to 4,3gHz (on two cores) and it goes down to 4,1-4,2 across all cores.

 

Remember that Ivy Bridge had a feature that allowed you to "Overclock" non-K CPUs by 4 bins = 400mHz.

Wow.

Is this possible with all Z77 Motherboards?

[incarnate]

3 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

I value your comment. Thank you

No problem.

 

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Actually, I've got an i7-3770S. And you can run it @3,9gHz base clock with Turbo Boost to 4,3gHz (on two cores) and it goes down to 4,1-4,2 across all cores.

 

Remember that Ivy Bridge had a feature that allowed you to "Overclock" non-K CPUs by 4 bins = 400mHz.

That I didn't know, but would that require a z77 chipset? Or is it a specific feature like multi-core enhancement?

 

If it's either one of those, it might be expensive/difficult fit the op to find a mobo that could do it.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Wow.

Is this possible with all Z77 Motherboards?

 

1 minute ago, incarnate said:

That I didn't know, but would that require a z77 chipset? Or is it a specific feature like multi-core enhancement?

 

If it's either one of those, it might be expensive/difficult fit the op to find a mobo that could do it.

I don't know. Probably. My Motherboard is MSI Z77A-G43, it's a rather low to mid-ranged mobo, very well priced and it's got everything I need, and obviously it has the mentioned feature

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z77A-G43.html

 

@OP, If it's got everything that you need, it should be a good, budget choice.

[The Falcon]

4 minutes ago, incarnate said:

No problem.

 

That I didn't know, but would that require a z77 chipset? Or is it a specific feature like multi-core enhancement?

 

If it's either one of those, it might be expensive/difficult fit the op to find a mobo that could do it.

Well there is currently a 3770S and a Z77 Motherboard listed locally but its probably gonna sell before my money comes through. They aren't unusual to find these days a lot of people are upgrading to 6th generation chips at the moment and they bought Z77 boards when they bought the chip so you get them as a combo.

[DildorTheDecent]

38 minutes ago, gFrenken97 said:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2600K

CPU Boss doesn't count. Either an actual benchmark or game is far more effective than any of those "Boss" websites.

[The Falcon]

14 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Actually, I've got an i7-3770S. And you can run it @3,9gHz base clock with Turbo Boost to 4,3gHz (on two cores) and it goes down to 4,1-4,2 across all cores.

 

Remember that Ivy Bridge had a feature that allowed you to "Overclock" non-K CPUs by 4 bins = 400mHz.

 

As for @The Falcon's question, whether there's a difference between a newer i7 and an Ivy Bridge one, there is, if you use a very high-end GPU.
My OC'd R9 290X (which surpasses a stock GTX 980 in DX11, let alone DX12) is not powerful enough to notice a difference, and this is still a pretty powerful GPU. Powerful enough to max out any game @1080p. You would feel a difference running a OC'd 980Ti, GTX 1070 or a 1080.

Sorry I missed your edit. I am currently running a GTX660. I love that card and I only play at 1080p and thats not gonna change any time soon. I may upgrade to a GTX1060 or GTX1160 but thats low on the list of priorities. Still wrecking all my friends in fps and settings right now so I have no need to go any higher.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Sorry I missed your edit. I am currently running a GTX660. I love that card and I only play at 1080p and thats not gonna change any time soon. I may upgrade to a GTX1060 or GTX1160 but thats low on the list of priorities. Still wrecking all my friends in fps and settings right now so I have no need to go any higher.

GTX 660? You could have an Athlon X4 750K and it wouldn't hold back the 660. I've had that exact combo some time ago. My current 290X is like twice as powerful, and my i7 doesn't hold it back in the slightest. You've got no need for a faster CPU.

9 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Well there is currently a 3770S and a Z77 Motherboard listed locally but its probably gonna sell before my money comes through. They aren't unusual to find these days a lot of people are upgrading to 6th generation chips at the moment and they bought Z77 boards when they bought the chip so you get them as a combo.

Z77 boards are cheap here in Poland for example, so you might have the same situation

[The Falcon]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

GTX 660? You could have an Athlon X4 750K and it wouldn't hold back the 660. I've had that exact combo some time ago. My current 290X is like twice as powerful, and my i7 doesn't hold it back in the slightest. You've got no need for a faster CPU.

Well I am feeling the performance drop in games like MGSV. My gpu sits at 50% load on highish settings and cpu sits at 90-100% load and certain in game menus take longggg to load even though my gpu is kinda chilling. Also will a gtx1070 be held back by a 3770? I am probably gonna get a gtx1160 or a gtx1060 later on so I should keep that in mind.

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, The Falcon said:

Well I am feeling the performance drop in games like MGSV. My gpu sits at 50% load on highish settings and cpu sits at 90-100% load and certain in game menus take longggg to load even though my gpu is kinda chilling. Also will a gtx1070 be held back by a 3770? I am probably gonna get a gtx1160 or a gtx1060 later on so I should keep that in mind.

1070? It's pretty much like a 980Ti, so no. It would be fine. A GTX 1080? A little, you'd get more FPS when running it along a 6700K, though it still would not be terrible

 

But I'd advise you to look into a Radeon RX 480 that releases in two days, it's gonna cost 199$ for the 4GB version and it's gonna most likely be around R9 390X performance. But we're yet to see the conclusive benchmarks, we'll know everything in two days. With that in mind, there's very little chance that GTX 1060 will be a better value-for-money choice.

[The Falcon]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

1070? It's pretty much like a 980Ti, so no. It would be fine. A GTX 1080? A little, you'd get more FPS when running it along a 6700K, though it still would not be terrible

Thats great. By the time I upgrade out of that I will probably be done with most gaming #5YearUpdateCyclesWithSecondHandParts 

 

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

But I'd advise you to look into a Radeon RX 480 that releases in two days, it's gonna cost 199$ for the 4GB version and it's gonna most likely be around R9 390X performance. But we're yet to see the conclusive benchmarks, we'll know everything in two days. With that in mind, there's very little chance that GTX 1060 will be a better value-for-money choice.

I am such an nVidia fan boy. To me they just dont date as fast and always pull something out the hat.

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, The Falcon said:

I am such an nVidia fan boy. To me they just dont date as fast and always pull something out the hat.

Don't date as fast? GTX 660 is Kepler. Nvidia is known to have abandoned Kepler architecture in favor of Maxwell, they just stopped optimizing games for the older GPUs and therefore AMD is MUCH better in that department.

Look at my R9 290X. At release, a GTX 780Ti was beating the 290X in more games than the 290X was beating the 780Ti, and it was considered to be a faster GPU. Today? The 290X is faster than both a 780Ti and a GTX 970. AMD kept improving drivers and optimizing games, and now older cards perform better than they did earlier. It goes back up to HD 7000 series. Which is pretty damn impressive. Nvidia abandons two-years old cards.