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  1. 1. Would you wait for Zen or buy Intel CPU now?

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    • Buy a Zen CPU when they are released
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AMD gave us a glimpse of their Zen architecture at Computex... Would you consider buying it? 

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Wouldn't be excited about Kabylake - it's what Devil's Canyon was for Haswell

I'd wait for the benchmarks, but the 8 core part sounds promising

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I suppose it somewhat depends on what you currently have but I'd wait. 

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Yeah... A TRUE 8 core CPU would be fucking awesome!!! (If it is under $500) Kabylake isn't as exciting but that may change if AMD puts pressure on Intel...

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12 minutes ago, DXMember said:

Wouldn't be excited about Kabylake - it's what Devil's Canyon was for Haswell

It's probably more like what Broadwell was for Haswell—Devil's Canyon was a special case. We do know Kaby Lake will add a few features, as named releases tend to. Devil's Canyon just tweaked a few things, it didn't add functionality that Haswell didn't have already.

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Personally, at this point, I just want to wait a bit anyway. If you buy AMD right now you'll get a shit processor, and if you buy Intel you'll be paying out your ass because Intel knows they're the only option if you want a good processor. Zen looks promising, but I'm less interested in the architecture itself and more interested in there being actual competition. Without competition, you get $1,600 Extreme Editions and chips with more iGPU than CPU.

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4 minutes ago, typographie said:

It's probably more like what Broadwell was for Haswell—Devil's Canyon was a special case. We do know Kaby Lake will add a few features, as named releases tend to. Devil's Canyon just tweaked a few things, it didn't add functionality that Haswell didn't have already.

Wasn't Devil's Canyon just the same chips with better power delivery and TIM?

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1 minute ago, typographie said:

It's probably more like what Broadwell was for Haswell—Devil's Canyon was a special case. We do know Kaby Lake will add a few features, as named releases tend to. Devil's Canyon just tweaked a few things, it didn't add functionality that Haswell didn't have already.

Even so... If  they keep up the "4 cores is all you need or else buy an enthusiast CPU and pay for all the bells and whistles that come with it" thing they are gonna fail. Plus I am Suuuuuure that AMD will have very high clock speeds so they're bound to be better than Sky and Kaby lake CPUs, despite having slightly lower IPC. 

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2 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

Wasn't Devil's Canyon just the same chips with better power delivery and TIM?

Yup... 

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Really hoping Zen doesn't suck.  we NEED AMD back in the CPU game!  

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8 minutes ago, typographie said:

It's probably more like what Broadwell was for Haswell—Devil's Canyon was a special case. We do know Kaby Lake will add a few features, as named releases tend to. Devil's Canyon just tweaked a few things, it didn't add functionality that Haswell didn't have already.

Broadwell was a die shrink - and didn't scale fo' shi' on desktop

What kind of features you expect from a CPU? More USB ports?

And Kabylake is literally the same Skylake with more USB ports...

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1 minute ago, CostcoSamples said:

Really hoping Zen doesn't suck.  we NEED AMD back in the CPU game!  

Definitely! 

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1 minute ago, DXMember said:

Broadwell was a die shrink

What kind of features you expect from a CPU? More USB ports?

And Kabylake is literally the same Skylake with more USB ports...

And some minor IPC improvement like  5% or so... 

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1 minute ago, DXMember said:

Broadwell was a die shrink

What kind of features you expect from a CPU? More USB ports?

And Kabylake is literally the same Skylake with more USB ports...

We haven't even seen Kabylake yet, have we?

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2 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

We haven't even seen Kabylake yet, have we?

Nah... It will come with a new Chipset though... I think Z200 or something like that 

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1 minute ago, Dash Lambda said:

We haven't even seen Kabylake yet, have we?

Kabylake wasn't suppose to even exist until late 2015, we were supposed to get a 10nm die shrink

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3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

Broadwell was a die shrink

What kind of features you expect from a CPU? More USB ports?

And Kabylake is literally the same Skylake with more USB ports...

Are you serious!?!  USB ports is passed off as an upgrade?!  wtf.

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1 minute ago, DXMember said:

Kabylake wasn't suppose to even exist until late 2015, we were supposed to get a 10nm die shrink

Yeah... They couldn't get it in time for Skylake so Skylake is 14nm... 

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1 minute ago, CostcoSamples said:

Are you serious!?!  USB ports is passed off as an upgrade?!  wtf.

idk... maybe more PCI-E lanes on new PCH? What else do you expect?

Because performance - you ain't getting one.

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9 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

Wasn't Devil's Canyon just the same chips with better power delivery and TIM?

Right. Like I said, "tweaks," not new functionality.

 

Kaby Lake is getting native support for Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1, which Skylake requires peripheral devices to support.

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3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

Kabylake wasn't suppose to even exist until late 2015, we were supposed to get a 10nm die shrink

 

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah... They couldn't get it in time for Skylake so Skylake is 14nm... 

I might be a little out of the loop, is Cannonlake still a thing?

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idk... maybe more PCI-E lanes on new PCH? What else do you expect?

Because performance - you ain't getting one.

What... PCIe lanes!? 16 is waaaaayyyy more than anyone would need (Intel logic) 

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1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah... They couldn't get it in time for Skylake so Skylake is 14nm... 

what? no... Skylake was always 14nm, I'm talking about Cannonlake... We were supposed to get Cannonlake in 2016 Q3 ~ Q4

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1 minute ago, typographie said:

Right. Like I said, "tweaks," not new functionality.

 

Kaby Lake is getting native support for Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1, which Skylake requires peripheral devices to support.

Yeah, so Kabylake would actually be changes to the chip itself, as opposed to Devil's Canyon...

Still, I'd like to see a bit more.

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