I love technology and so should you but...

[LokiFire]

Don't you all see how it is advancing us forwards along with taking us two steps back?

People have become dependent on phones, mostly younger folk, i don't mean important stuff, i mean social, people will rather text or chat on a phone than actually arrange to see each other.

People don't know how to live or what to do when their power goes out for a couple of days, the end of the world may as well be that.

 

 

On the other hand medicine has come a long way thanks to technology, so has entertainment, but i somehow feel that the nitty gritty part (hard work) is something we all need, when it is taken away we seem to become used to a lazier life, one that creates bad habits.

 

 

Or am i just mental?

 

 

[ShadowCaptain]

5 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

Or am i just mental?

 

Yes to some degree, but it will start going the other way, as technology becomes more convenient and less of a hindrance

example, I currently have to sit down and type an email... maybe instead I could have augmented glasses and could just think the words and type them, making it much faster and less time on the PC

 

The thing is, people are like "you are so anti-social on your phone" - what I am anti social TALKING to people? why does social have to be face to face? the whole idea of "social" is an adapting thing

Also in the past, people would still sit around doing nothing, or waste time with stuff, people have more spare time these days, thats just a fact
 

[Oshino Shinobu]

I think people mistake change in social interaction for decline in social interaction.

 

Times are changing, as are the way people communicate. Just because it's not like it used to be doesn't mean it's bad. Pretty much every time a new technology becomes widespread, there's people who will say "it's ruining so and so", when really it's just a change in times.

For example, people complain that people are always on their phone on public transport.... But nobody really ever talked on public transport. I remember being on a London Underground train in the early 2000s and pretty much everyone had a book or a newspaper. We've just changed that for smartphones. 

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

For example, people complain that people are always on their phone on public transport.... But nobody really ever talked on public transport. I remember being on a London Underground train in the early 2000s and pretty much everyone had a book or a newspaper. We've just changed that for smartphones. 

 

This exactly, the conventions are changing, but people still do what they did before

and outdoor activities are on the rise again, things like health wearables are getting people active, drones and RC stuff, go pros, - all of these tech items promote action and outdoors

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

I think people mistake change in social interaction for decline in social interaction.

 

Times are changing, as are the way people communicate. Just because it's not like it used to be doesn't mean it's bad. Pretty much every time a new technology becomes widespread, there's people who will say "it's ruining so and so", when really it's just a change in times.

For example, people complain that people are always on their phone on public transport.... But nobody really ever talked on public transport. I remember being on a London Underground train in the early 2000s and pretty much everyone had a book or a newspaper. We've just changed that for smartphones. 

I agree to a certain degree, but I do feel like cell phones are diminishing physical-social interaction skills for the younger generations.

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, TidaLWaveZ said:

I agree to a certain degree, but I do feel like cell phones are diminishing physical-social interaction skills for the younger generations.

That is true, but do we need physical social interaction in today's world?

We dont teach children how to mine for coal anymore, its more useful to give them an IT degree

 

[Oshino Shinobu]

Just now, ShadowCaptain said:

 

This exactly, the conventions are changing, but people still do what they did before

and outdoor activities are on the rise again, things like health wearables are getting people active, drones and RC stuff, go pros, - all of these tech items promote action and outdoors

If anything, social interaction is growing. If you're reading a newspaper on a train... You're just reading a newspaper. If you're browsing social media sites on your phone, then you may actually be socialising. 

As for face to face socialising, I would say it's just about the same as before in terms of quantity, but the way that it's initiated has changed. More and more people are finding others through non-face to face interaction, then meet up face to face and already know that their interests match, rather than having a sort of hit and miss approach with talking to people for the first time face to face. 

Outdoor activities are easier to find now. If you have no friends who play a certain sport, then just look up for a hobby group. Done, simple. 

The one thing that does bug me a bit is people that will be on their phones when you're out for dinner or something. I don't really mind people checking their phone occasionally, but it annoys me when their fingers are tapping away under the table, like a student thinking they're hiding it from their teacher. 

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, Oshino Shinobu said:

 but it annoys me when their fingers are tapping away under the table, like a student thinking they're hiding it from their teacher. 

I think those things will decrease over time, technology is still a booming thing and peoples lives are still adjusting

social media means you end up being contactable 24/7, and because people know that you feel compelled to reply, plus you end up having more "friends" because you have more people who can contact you

I agree that there is a time and place, maybe when we get like smart wearables people will be less inclined to sit on the phones

that said, i have been bored while out and just started reading or shopping on my phone, my mind is always racing ahead to the next thing, and its right there in my hand I dont have to wait to get to a pc or to a shop

[KettyKoala]

5 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

That is true, but do we need physical social interaction in today's world?

We dont teach children how to mine for coal anymore, its more useful to give them an IT degree

 

To gain a degree is pretty social, mining coal however, isn't

 

No physical interaction with people would drive me insane, i'd say the world would be a much lonelier place without it

[asiancorruption]

20 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

Don't you all see how it is advancing us forwards along with taking us two steps back?

People have become dependent on phones, mostly younger folk, i don't mean important stuff, i mean social, people will rather text or chat on a phone than actually arrange to see each other.

People don't know how to live or what to do when their power goes out for a couple of days, the end of the world may as well be that.

 

 

On the other hand medicine has come a long way thanks to technology, so has entertainment, but i somehow feel that the nitty gritty part (hard work) is something we all need, when it is taken away we seem to become used to a lazier life, one that creates bad habits.

 

 

Or am i just mental?

 

 

being a teenager spending a majority of my life with the tech we have today I feel that tech has evolved so fast that we haven't really had time to catch up with Laws and regulations.  I also feel that the older population is having a very difficult time using tech ( a lot of people can't email yet). I feel that tech will make society have an elitist mindset, and in a way it already has, being good with tech is a requirement in a lot of jobs, even just jobs meant for college or high school students. In short, I feel that people that don't know how to use tech will be left behind. Being social is the least of my worries, as I feel that is more dependent on the person rather than how they communicate. 

[LokiFire]

1 minute ago, asiancorruption said:

being a teenager spending a majority of my life with the tech we have today I feel that tech has evolved so fast that we haven't really had time to catch up with Laws and regulations.  I also feel that the older population is having a very difficult time using tech ( a lot of people can't email yet). I feel that tech will make society have an elitist mindset, and in a way it already has, being good with tech is a requirement in a lot of jobs, even just jobs meant for college or high school students. In short, I feel that people that don't know how to use tech will be left behind. Being social is the least of my worries, as I feel that is more dependent on the person rather than how they communicate. 

I'm 26 this year, i'm a 90's lad.

I'm not massively social by nature, however i can see the issues, i have had a recent girl friend who was hooked to her phone every day.. she would reply out loud sometimes to things actually saying LOL... i mean... i cringed, she is 22... and i felt like an alien near her, i just wished i knew before getting involved, hurts more being ignored than you may think.

[Oshino Shinobu]

4 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

I agree to a certain degree, but I do feel like cell phones are diminishing physical-social interaction skills for the younger generations.

They're diminishing certain types of in person social interaction, like meeting people by speaking to them face to face. You can see that through stats of the amount of married couples that are meeting through dating sites. However, this isn't a bad thing (in my opinion). Sure, the way we meet people is changing, but it's not like it's killing face to face interaction, it just isn't really the primary way to meet people for the first time anymore. 

You can also go into points about how the increase of social interaction via technology has broadened people's social groups significantly. For example, I have several friends in America, some who I've met in person and others who I don't even know what they look like. I have friends on the other side of the world who barely even speak the same language, all thanks to technology. It's another example of it being a change in social interaction, but not a decline of social interaction as a whole. 

[ShadowCaptain]

4 minutes ago, KettyKoala said:

To gain a degree is pretty social, mining coal however, isn't

 

No physical interaction with people would drive me insane, i'd say the world would be a much lonelier place without it

 

I dont know anybody that gets NO physical interaction, kids go to school, teens go to college/uni/out drinking/sports

 

[KettyKoala]

Just now, ShadowCaptain said:

 

I dont know anybody that gets NO physical interaction, kids go to school, teens go to college/uni/out drinking/sports

 

Neither do I, but you just said we don't need physical interaction in today's world, I think that would just generate a world full of weirdos

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, KettyKoala said:

Neither do I, but you just said we don't need physical interaction in today's world, I think that would just generate a world full of weirdos

Weird to us, not weird to their generation

you cannot apply our current social conventions to future ones, im sure 100 years ago everything we do now would be weird

[KettyKoala]

3 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Weird to us, not weird to their generation

you cannot apply our current social conventions to future ones, im sure 100 years ago everything we do now would be weird

Of course we would, by weird, I mean people who can't hold a conversation, extremely awkward people that don't have skills in how to talk and act around people, which is basically what makes us human. Humans are probably THE most social animals on the planet, and without face to face communication, we would just be robots

[LokiFire]

Just now, KettyKoala said:

Of course we would, by weird, I mean people who can't hold a conversation, extremely awkward people that don't have skills in how to talk and act around people

Those folk usually have some sort of Autism (my bro has it) or are brought up in such a way that it makes them fear social activities, this can also be depression, a normal person by any personality with no disorder will know how to converse properly given the correct skills, we learn it by actual interaction with our peers, how to present ourselves, including body language and facial expression.

[TidaLWaveZ]

24 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

That is true, but do we need physical social interaction in today's world?

We dont teach children how to mine for coal anymore, its more useful to give them an IT degree

 

 

In my opinion, absolutely. You get so much more out of actually interacting with someone in reality.  Whether you know realize or not at the time, you're mind is reading the other persons body language like crazy.  Without the physical-social interaction, I feel like you lose all emotion and the interaction is far less memorable.  I feel like the lack of this interaction has a negative impact on the way people are in general.

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

In my opinion, absolutely. You get so much more out of actually interacting with someone in reality.  Whether you know realize or not at the time, you're mind is reading the other persons body language like crazy.  Without the physical-social interaction, I feel like you lose all emotion and the interaction is more unmemorable.  I feel like the lack of this interaction has a negative impact on the way people are in general.

 

VR and AR interactions, 

 

btw I am not saying you are wrong, just that social is adapting

[KettyKoala]

Just now, ShadowCaptain said:

 

VR and AR interactions, 

That's just ridiculous 

[Oshino Shinobu]

5 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

I think those things will decrease over time, technology is still a booming thing and peoples lives are still adjusting

social media means you end up being contactable 24/7, and because people know that you feel compelled to reply, plus you end up having more "friends" because you have more people who can contact you

I agree that there is a time and place, maybe when we get like smart wearables people will be less inclined to sit on the phones

that said, i have been bored while out and just started reading or shopping on my phone, my mind is always racing ahead to the next thing, and its right there in my hand I dont have to wait to get to a pc or to a shop

I've been using a smartwatch for the past year or so. It definitely changes your phone usage habits (for me, at least). If I'm at dinner, I'm able to glance at my wrist and just see if the message is important. It's useful for driving as well. If something important comes up, I can pull over to reply if I really need to and not risk having my phone in my hand. 

To be honest, I only use my smartwatch as a way to check notifications quickly and discretely, managing music players and for time. I kind of want a very low power draw version that literally just does that, rather than having all these (IMO) useless apps. I don't want to play angrybirds on my watch. Then again, that may be just because of how I use my phone as a whole. I don't have any games on my phone, it's just used for music, internet and a way for people to contact me. 

 

11 minutes ago, KettyKoala said:

To gain a degree is pretty social, mining coal however, isn't

 

No physical interaction with people would drive me insane, i'd say the world would be a much lonelier place without it

That kind of depends. Most of my degree can be done from home (though, it is a computing degree, so the way it is managed is different to something like an English degree).

I think that's got a lot to do with your personality. There are those who need physical interaction with others, while others don't need it as much. Personally, I prefer to keep to myself more. I prefer non-direct social interaction as it allows me to manage when I choose to reply to people, rather than having to focus on a conversation. For a similar reason, I don't really like phone calls or voice chat, as it makes it hard to do other things at the same time. 

I don't think I've had a conversation face to face with anyone for the last two weeks, other than just brief interaction at shops and such. The majority of what I do can be done remotely, even for work I normally don't have to leave. I don't feel the need to talk to others, face to face. Even after two weeks of not really verbally talking to people, I don't feel the need (or want) to go talk to someone. I guess your upbringing and general social environment can affect things like that, as well as general personality. 

[KettyKoala]

2 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

I've been using a smartwatch for the past year or so. It definitely changes your phone usage habits (for me, at least). If I'm at dinner, I'm able to glance at my wrist and just see if the message is important. It's useful for driving as well. If something important comes up, I can pull over to reply if I really need to and not risk having my phone in my hand. 

To be honest, I only use my smartwatch as a way to check notifications quickly and discretely, managing music players and for time. I kind of want a very low power draw version that literally just does that, rather than having all these (IMO) useless apps. I don't want to play angrybirds on my watch. Then again, that may be just because of how I use my phone as a whole. I don't have any games on my phone, it's just used for music, internet and a way for people to contact me. 

 

That kind of depends. Most of my degree can be done from home (though, it is a computing degree, so the way it is managed is different to something like an English degree).

I think that's got a lot to do with your personality. There are those who need physical interaction with others, while others don't need it as much. Personally, I prefer to keep to myself more. I prefer non-direct social interaction as it allows me to manage when I choose to reply to people, rather than having to focus on a conversation. For a similar reason, I don't really like phone calls or voice chat, as it makes it hard to do other things at the same time. 

I don't think I've had a conversation face to face with anyone for the last two weeks, other than just brief interaction at shops and such. The majority of what I do can be done remotely, even for work I normally don't have to leave. I don't feel the need to talk to others, face to face. Even after two weeks of not really verbally talking to people, I don't feel the need (or want) to go talk to someone. I guess your upbringing and general social environment can affect things like that, as well as general personality. 

Yeah I do understand that some people are more recluse than others, but 0 human interaction just isn't natural in my opinion

[ShadowCaptain]

3 minutes ago, KettyKoala said:

That's just ridiculous 

Why? I skype people all the time, and I intend on getting VR soon, if I can talk to people on my VR headset, then its a simulation of being there for real, and with modern cameras with 360 and high quality its like being there

 

could even walk around their room etc

Its not really that farfetched, we have the tech RIGHT NOW to do that

 

[LokiFire]

1 minute ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

I've been using a smartwatch for the past year or so. It definitely changes your phone usage habits (for me, at least). If I'm at dinner, I'm able to glance at my wrist and just see if the message is important. It's useful for driving as well. If something important comes up, I can pull over to reply if I really need to and not risk having my phone in my hand. 

To be honest, I only use my smartwatch as a way to check notifications quickly and discretely, managing music players and for time. I kind of want a very low power draw version that literally just does that, rather than having all these (IMO) useless apps. I don't want to play angrybirds on my watch. Then again, that may be just because of how I use my phone as a whole. I don't have any games on my phone, it's just used for music, internet and a way for people to contact me. 

 

That kind of depends. Most of my degree can be done from home (though, it is a computing degree, so the way it is managed is different to something like an English degree).

I think that's got a lot to do with your personality. There are those who need physical interaction with others, while others don't need it as much. Personally, I prefer to keep to myself more. I prefer non-direct social interaction as it allows me to manage when I choose to reply to people, rather than having to focus on a conversation. For a similar reason, I don't really like phone calls or voice chat, as it makes it hard to do other things at the same time. 

I don't think I've had a conversation face to face with anyone for the last two weeks, other than just brief interaction at shops and such. The majority of what I do can be done remotely, even for work I normally don't have to leave. I don't feel the need to talk to others, face to face. Even after two weeks of not really verbally talking to people, I don't feel the need (or want) to go talk to someone. I guess your upbringing and general social environment can affect things like that, as well as general personality. 

Sorry to quote such a massive amount of text but i am being lazy.

 

That small interaction with people at shops etc goes a very long way, it triggers things in our minds, it refreshes our social abilities, people who are well... careful have to think about what they say in return and how to come across as good to the other person, so that right there is a lot of calculations going on for such a small thing.

 

People seem to not realize that yes our minds are amazing, but when you don't do something with that thing for a long time you tend to drift away and become wrapped up in the manifestation your mind has created from a lack of that thing.

 

All input from our world plays part in everything we do.

[KettyKoala]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Why? I skype people all the time, and I intend on getting VR soon, if I can talk to people on my VR headset, then its a simulation of being there for real, and with modern cameras with 360 and high quality its like being there

 

could even walk around their room etc

Its not really that farfetched, we have the tech RIGHT NOW to do that

 

But it will never be as good as the real thing? Would you rather look at the Eiffel tower in person or through a VR headset? It's the same thing