new pc builder Gaming CPU Needed

[YBoel]

Hey guys,

first of all exuse me for my bad english

 

 

So ... I 'm planning the components for my first PC and now I face the most important question ... Intel or AMD?

 

Here the most Important:

• Cheap
• Gaming
• Mini-ITX Case
• Good Performance

Thank you in advance for your answer's

[Majestic]

Those requirements are conflicting. Cheap and good performance are not mutually exclusive.

 

Which of the two is it. Provide context, budget.

[Shadow5679]

Which mini-itx case are you thinking of? Because some don't have great airflow, and for those you might be better off with an intel CPU

[YBoel]

 

@'Shadow5697':

I had already decided on this:

https://sharkoon.com/product/1184/16426#desc

@'Majestic': Good Performance for a fair price. My budget is around 500€ or around 600$

[Majestic]

Sweetspot for budgetbuilds is 550-600 euro's. Below this mark, you get much worse value. 

[Prysin]

For mini ITX on the cheap, you'd be hard pressed to beat a FM2+ Athlon X4 845 + GTX 960 mini/Sapphire R9 380 ITX

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($74.80 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($18.80 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard  ($96.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card  ($192.88 @ Amazon)
Case: RAIJINTEK Metis (Silver) Mini ITX Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($53.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm  Fan  ($22.49 @ OutletPC)
Total: $597.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-12 06:56 EST-0500

[BurblingBarbacoa]

Unless you are going for a very budget oriented build then go Intel. The fx6300 is a decent cup but for most things the i3 6100 is better. The 8350 is a decent option but unless you are streaming or somthing that will take advantage of the 8 cores then go with an i5. Don't touch the 9590. It's a hot 8350. Just get an i7 if you are looking at it. 

 

To to conclude I reccomend these four CPUs for a budget build. Check out prices and see what Is good for you 

1. AMD 860k 
2. Intel i3 6100 
3. AMD fx6300 
4. Intel i5 6400 

[don_svetlio]

I3 6100 or i5 4460 + R9 380 Sapphire ITX

[Moonzy]

i dont know the price of the case so...

 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nwTvHx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nwTvHx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus H110I-PLUS/CSM Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($82.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($35.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($88.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($147.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: SHARKOON SHARK ZONE C10 Mini ITX Tower Case 
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $562.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-12 06:52 EST-0500

 

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

I3 6100 or i5 4460 + R9 380 Sapphire ITX

you may want to get Nvidia for this. Sure the difference between a 960 and 380 isnt huge, but in ITX builds you want to reduce the TDP of every possible component.

 

I know, because ive built a really dense ITX build where i have litterally ZERO POINT FIVE CM tolerance between the parts

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Prysin said:

you may want to get Nvidia for this. Sure the difference between a 960 and 380 isnt huge, but in ITX builds you want to reduce the TDP of every possible component.

 

I know, because ive built a really dense ITX build where i have litterally ZERO POINT FIVE CM tolerance between the parts

380 isn't exactly hot tho. I doubt it'll be an issue.

[Moonzy]

6 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

i dont know the price of the case so...

 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nwTvHx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nwTvHx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus H110I-PLUS/CSM Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($82.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($35.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($88.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($147.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: SHARKOON SHARK ZONE C10 Mini ITX Tower Case 
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $562.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-12 06:52 EST-0500

 

@YBoel, dont take all components as it is, mini-itx is picky with size so its best to check compatibility of all things (the GPU mostly)

 

also, i left out an HDD, but you can buy that next time when you have the cash, or you can buy a HDD now and add an SSD later down the road, but i always recommend to have SSD + HDD combo, even in a budget system

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

380 isn't exactly hot tho. I doubt it'll be an issue.

uhm dude...

 

Overclocking my 7870k from 3.7GHz stock to 4.3GHz with just 0.0625v more caused me to see constant 40c+ temps inside the case. Despite having 17-19c ambient temp.

 

I considered a 380 ITX, but ill go with a GTX 950 Mini (was on a damn good sale) because even now, thermals ARE a challenge.

[Sakkura]

7 minutes ago, Prysin said:

you may want to get Nvidia for this. Sure the difference between a 960 and 380 isnt huge, but in ITX builds you want to reduce the TDP of every possible component.

 

I know, because ive built a really dense ITX build where i have litterally ZERO POINT FIVE CM tolerance between the parts

Picking a 970 over a 390 would make a lot of sense, but 960 over 380 is not necessary except for the most extremely cramped mITX cases.

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Picking a 970 over a 390 would make a lot of sense, but 960 over 380 is not necessary except for the most extremely cramped mITX cases.

well, if you gonna build ITX, unless its in a NZXT Manta or Corsair 380T, will be rather cramped.

 

Unless you get a Ncase M1 Mk4 or MK5.... but that is rather the exeption, not the rule

[Matty2hatty]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($32.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380 2GB ITX Compact Video Card  ($178.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $587.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-12 07:13 EST-0500

Seriously that case dopant have a great PSU selection and $19 for an alright PSU if your not overclocking was just a too good deal to miss, also the core 500 is a really  good case for the money!

[Majestic]

24 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

380 isn't exactly hot tho. I doubt it'll be an issue.

Temperature =! heat dissipation. The cooler can be efficient and thus the temperature low, but the 380 still puts out allot more heat.

 

@Prysin The 860K is quite shitty tbh. 

[YBoel]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Mzb4K8

So now i have builded this with your help

Ignore the problem notification, ATX PSU fits in perfectly

[Prysin]

Just now, Majestic said:

Temperature =! heat dissipation. The cooler can be efficient and thus the temperature low, but the 380 still puts out allot more heat.

 

@Prysin The 860K is quite shitty tbh. 

i know, thats why i said 845 in my post. But it hasnt come out in retail yet, let alone PPP.

 

It will still cost 69.99 USD.... but for almost Sandy Bridge single core perf (if all IPC estimates about Excavator lines up) and a fixed cache system  it should be quite a bargain(it can do with 2mb L2 cache, what other CMT versions can with 4MB L2)

 

And no, the 380 is merely 15-20w more then a 960... it is a very efficient architecture.

I mean, Tonga led to Fiji, and we can both agree that for the power it delivers, Fiji is VERY efficient.

 

Best setup, for ITX, would be a i7 6700k + Nano though... but the Nano alone is 499 USD

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, YBoel said:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Mzb4K8

So now i have builded this with your help

Ignore the problem notification, ATX PSU fits in perfectly

get the Gigabyte FM2A88X WIFI.

 

It has a proper heat spreader on the VRMs. I own said mobo and it is quite good.

 

Wait until end of march to purchase, by then the Athlon X4 845 should be out. IT IS WORTH WAITING FOR

[Majestic]

An 860K that's 10-15% faster is still crap. The i3-6100 is sometimes even borderline enough to run modern games due to the DX11 overhead. Let alone a chip that's half the speed.

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

And no, the 380 is merely 15-20w more then a 960... it is a very efficient architecture.

I mean, Tonga led to Fiji, and we can both agree that for the power it delivers, Fiji is VERY efficient.

I assume you mean graphs like these? 

http://www.pcper.com/files/review/2015-01-20/power.jpg

 

Those are very misleading you know...

http://www.pcper.com/files/review/2015-01-20/power-adv.png

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

An 860K that's 10-15% faster is still crap. The i3-6100 is sometimes even borderline enough to run modern games due to the DX11 overhead. Let alone a chip that's half the speed.

An 860k thats 10-15% faster, costs HALF that of the 6100.

Also, as Digital Foundry proved, for i3 6100 to be good in modern games, it really need fast memory, which means you are forced to buy into the Z chipset.

 

Without fast RAM, it is not that much faster over a haswell 4360.

 

Granted, it IS a good chip. However for it to really show it's great value you need to up the price.

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, Shadow5679 said:

Which mini-itx case are you thinking of? Because some don't have great airflow, and for those you might be better off with an intel CPU

for those you will be better off with a good selection of case fan and CPU coolers.

 

Intel or AMD doesnt really matter as much as parts selection.

[Nena Trinity]

1 hour ago, BurblingBarbacoa said:

Unless you are going for a very budget oriented build then go Intel. The fx6300 is a decent cup but for most things the i3 6100 is better. The 8350 is a decent option but unless you are streaming or somthing that will take advantage of the 8 cores then go with an i5. Don't touch the 9590. It's a hot 8350. Just get an i7 if you are looking at it. 

 

To to conclude I reccomend these four CPUs for a budget build. Check out prices and see what Is good for you 

1. AMD 860k 
2. Intel i3 6100 
3. AMD fx6300 
4. Intel i5 6400 

There is no mini-itx boards for the FX series!