FX-8370 Bottleneck?

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Majestic said:

Early review copies, getting a review out early means more clicks. Are you done?

 

Besides, nothing changed with AMD's patch.

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/6539/3/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-getest-met-23-videokaarten-testresultaten-full-hd-1920x1080-+-frametimes

 

This was done a week ago. Still same results.

My very own gameplay on a fucking laptop disagrees with that graph

According to your site a underclocked 860M (750 Ti) beats a 750 Ti desktop

[A Guy Eating Cereal]

1 minute ago, leggo414 said:

Alright Im gonna go with the R9 390, Im not in need of anything over 60 fps and 1080p, all i really want is an upgrade from my old pc with an i3 and a GT 610

Sounds like a good plan  

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, leggo414 said:

Alright Im gonna go with the R9 390, Im not in need of anything over 60 fps and 1080p, all i really want is an upgrade from my old pc with an i3 and a GT 610

You're good. Chances are you won't really notice the bottleneck as much as some people would have you believe

[leggo414]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

8370 with a R9-390 is a terrible Idea. Atleast read the topic I posted, if you still want to buy it go ahead. 

No offense, sounds like most ppl disagree with you, so...

[A Guy Eating Cereal]

Just now, Majestic said:

8370 with a R9-390 is a terrible Idea. Atleast read the topic I posted, if you still want to buy it go ahead. 

However he CAN NOT afford an intel CPU as he already has the 8370. But this at least gives him the option to upgrade later  

[Majestic]

7 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

My very own gameplay on a fucking laptop disagrees with that graph

According to your site a underclocked 860M (750 Ti) beats a 750 Ti desktop

You probably tweaked some of the settings away from the preset. These are presets. Besides, i'd take this emperical evidence over your anecdotal one. 

6 minutes ago, leggo414 said:

No offense, sounds like most ppl disagree with you, so...

Because this forum is a giant AMD fanboy echochamber. I gave you a rational explanation for why it was bad, they just attacked me and gave no explanation of their own. And you're being lead by emotion over argument. Please learn to distinguish genuine comments over zealous fanboyism and bandwagon appeal.

 

Weaker CPU means less drawcalls. Driver overhead on AMD Radeon cards means also less Drawcalls. Combining the two is objectively a bad idea. You will get more fps with a 970 than you will with a 390 when paired with a 8370. The results of that page prove me right.

 

The results you see between GPU tests are done on high-end CPU's like that 6700K @ 4,7ghz . showing the 390 winning. But this is not the same for lower-end CPU's.

5 minutes ago, A Guy Eating Cereal said:

However he CAN NOT afford an intel CPU as he already has the 8370. But this at least gives him the option to upgrade later  

I never said he has to buy a fucking Intel. I'm saying Nvidia's lower driver overhead helps get more FPS out of that weak CPU. I'm only trying to get the most out of his system, but this fucking forum and it's zealots are so determined to get people to buy AMD hardware they will literally make him purchase the wrong GPU. 

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Majestic said:

You probably tweaked some of the settings away from the preset. These are presets. Besides, i'd take this emperical evidence over your anecdotal one. 

Because this forum is a giant AMD fanboy echochamber. I gave you a rational explanation for why it was bad, they just attacked me and gave no explanation of their own. And you're being lead by emotion over argument. Please learn to distinguish genuine comments over zealous fanboyism and bandwagon appeal.

I never said he has to buy a fucking Intel. I'm saying Nvidia's lower driver overhead helps get more FPS out of that weak CPU. I'm only trying to get the most out of his system, but this fucking forum and it's zealots are so determined to get people to buy AMD hardware they will literally make him purchase the wrong GPU. 

You want an explanation? Easy. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the i5 or i7 but the bottleneck won't be AS massive as you would have people believe. In reality, the Nvdia drivers will help when using few weaker cores BUT most modern games make use of all the threads due to the way consoles work hence why the difference will be next to none. In reality, the performance will be close to an i5 3330.

[don_svetlio]

FYI - the Nvidia driver doesn't magically produce fps - it only helps when games use less cores and almost every AAA title released today uses 8 threads or more - GTA V uses all 12-16 threads on X99 chips.

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

You want an explanation? Easy. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the i5 or i7 but the bottleneck won't be AS massive as you would have people believe. In reality, the Nvdia drivers will help when using few weaker cores BUT most modern games make use of all the threads due to the way consoles work hence why the difference will be next to none. In reality, the performance will be close to an i5 3330.

Except those objective results completely debunk this subjective argument.

[A Guy Eating Cereal]

Just now, Majestic said:

You probably tweaked some of the settings away from the preset. These are presets. Besides, i'd take this emperical evidence over your anecdotal one. 

Because this forum is a giant AMD fanboy echochamber. I gave you a rational explanation for why it was bad, they just attacked me and gave no explanation of their own. And you're being lead by emotion over argument. Please learn to distinguish genuine comments over zealous fanboyism and bandwagon appeal.

I never said he has to buy a fucking Intel. I'm saying Nvidia's lower driver overhead helps get more FPS out of that weak CPU. I'm only trying to get the most out of his system, but this fucking forum and it's zealots are so determined to get people to buy AMD hardware they will literally make him purchase the wrong GPU. 

If you want to have a go at AMD fan boys go over to the PC Perspective forum!!!!! 
I did not say for him to buy the 8370! HE HAS ALREADY BOUGHT IT!!! I am all for Intel and have been saving for 2 years to do a complete rebuild (intel not AMD)

And @don_svetlio is right by the way! But I would encourage him to upgrade to intel ASAP  

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Majestic said:

Except those objective results completely debunk this subjective argument.

Those results are anything but objective. You constantly post the charts from PClab.pl EVEN THOUGH nobody believes you as EVERY sane reviewer gets vastly different results. I'm sorry but a 370 CANNOT be the same as a 270X as the 370 is a much beefier chip yet the results you posted show exactly that....

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, A Guy Eating Cereal said:

If you want to have a go at AMD fan boys go over to the PC Perspective forum!!!!! 
I did not say for him to buy the 8370! HE HAS ALREADY BOUGHT IT!!! I am all for Intel and have been saving for 2 years to do a complete rebuild (intel not AMD)

And @don_svetlio is right by the way! But I would encourage him to upgrade to intel ASAP  

He could also just OC his current CPU and wait for Zen and Icelake

[Majestic]

Just now, A Guy Eating Cereal said:

If you want to have a go at AMD fan boys go over to the PC Perspective forum!!!!! 
I did not say for him to buy the 8370! HE HAS ALREADY BOUGHT IT!!! I am all for Intel and have been saving for 2 years to do a complete rebuild (intel not AMD)

And @don_svetlio is right by the way! But I would encourage him to upgrade to intel ASAP  

I'm making him buy the hardware that gets the most out of his system, and you advocate him to rebuild his PC. And i'm the bad guy?

 

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Those results are anything but objective. You constantly post the charts from PClab.pl EVEN THOUGH nobody believes you as EVERY sane reviewer gets vastly different results. I'm sorry but a 370 CANNOT be the same as a 270X as the 370 is a much beefier chip yet the results you posted show exactly that....

That's bandwagon appeal. Actually PCLAB.pl has the same results as DigitalFoundry for example, or hardware.info. Techspot and Anandtech are the ones who produce results that make no sense. Showing a 8350 beaing a 4690K in fallout 4. Reknown for it's extremely high IPC scaling.

[Glenwing]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Those results are anything but objective. You constantly post the charts from PClab.pl EVEN THOUGH nobody believes you as EVERY sane reviewer gets vastly different results. I'm sorry but a 370 CANNOT be the same as a 270X as the 370 is a much beefier chip yet the results you posted show exactly that....

The R7 370 is a weaker chip, it's a rebranded HD 7850 while the R9 270X is a rebranded HD 7870.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Majestic said:

I'm making him buy the hardware that gets the most out of his system, and you advocate him to rebuild his PC. And i'm the bad guy?

 

That's bandwagon appeal. Actually PCLAB.pl has the same results as DigitalFoundry for example, or hardware.info. Techspot and Anandtech are the ones who produce results that make no sense. Showing a 8350 beaing a 4690K in fallout 4. Reknown for it's extremely high IPC scaling.

In reality an 8350 does match a 4460 in multi-threaded. As for FO4 I have no idea - lot of broken stuff in that game, mostly due to LameWorks.

 

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Glenwing said:

The R7 370 is a weaker chip, it's a rebranded HD 7850 while the R9 270X is a rebranded HD 7870.

Exactly - but the benches linked by him show them being almost identical in terms of performance

[A Guy Eating Cereal]

Just now, Majestic said:

I'm making him buy the hardware that gets the most out of his system, and you advocate him to rebuild his PC. And i'm the bad guy?

 

That's bandwagon appeal. Actually PCLAB.pl has the same results as DigitalFoundry for example, or hardware.info. Techspot and Anandtech are the ones who produce results that make no sense. Showing a 8350 beaing a 4690K in fallout 4. Reknown for it's extremely high IPC scaling.

Im not saying your the bad guy!  Im just saying that he already has the CPU and would end up upgrading his build anyway! Anyway enough arguing it gets nobody anywhere!  

[Majestic]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Exactly - but the benches linked by him show them being almost identical in terms of performance

Explain to me why these results make no sense, without cheap adhominems, bandwagon appeals, appeals to authority or simply because you don't like the results.

A technical/rational explanation. Go.

 

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Majestic said:

Explain to me why these results make no sense, without cheap adhominems, bandwagon appeals or simply because you don't like the results.

A technical/rational explanation. Go.

 

 

The site is the issue - it is not credible.

[Glenwing]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Exactly - but the benches linked by him show them being almost identical in terms of performance

You just said the 370 was more powerful. Either way close results are to be expected as the specs are very similar.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Glenwing said:

You just said the 370 was more powerful. Either way close results are to be expected as the specs are very similar.

I guess I worded it in an awkward manner, what i meant is that the 7870 shouldn't be performing identically to the 7850 - does not make sense.

[A Guy Eating Cereal]

This thread is just turning into ths toms hardware thread  

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2688168/8350-390-bootleneck.html

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

The site is the issue - it is not credible.

So a cheap adhominem then. Once cornered and pressed you always fail to explain yourself.

 

Oh well, on to the next topic éh Don. You make so many posts, i'm sure you'll retain a positive win/loss ratio. Because this is about you and your ego, not about the OP and what's best for him. 

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

So a cheap adhominem then. Once cornered and pressed you always fail to explain yourself.

 

Oh well, on to the next topic éh Don. You make so many posts, i'm sure you'll retain a positive win/loss ratio. Because this is about you and your ego, not about the OP and what's best for him. 

The OP is going to upgrade in the future. And everyone and their dog knows the 390 will age better simply because it's the superior hardware

EDIT: You're the one turning this into a competition with me rather than actually being constructive - if you get called out 20 times for a site, stop using it rather then be as stubborn as a donkey and bury your head in it. I'm done here.

[Nena Trinity]

It will be fine in all games except for Arma, DayZ and other dual-core optimized games...