970 or 290x?

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Yeah, FPS dropping surely create great immersion while firefighting in wide open area in Fallout 4.  

 

 

Right, because ignoring the system requirements and trying to use a i5 when it's been shown to not be enough.

 

Is Nvidia's fault. /s

[ivan134]

If it's a vapor x 290x, get it. If not, get an MSI or XFX 390. If you're worried about GameWorks games, just turn down tessellation to 8x or 16x in AMD control panel. Higher settings tank performance while offering no visual improvement.

[MiniSchnazer]

Maybe. I did not play it that much, only level 26. I wish this was available on AMD cards too, but one thing that Nvidia does better, and that I want to have is better tessellation. I can ignore not having debris. In Witcher 3, Nividia hairworks is for me only good on monsters, animals, but that option without mod is not possible. Since I play game at 1280x1024 (yeah) resolution I have hairworks on, and HBAO+.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

If it's a vapor x 290x, get it. If not, get an MSI or XFX 390. If you're worried about GameWorks games, just turn down tessellation to 8x or 16x in AMD control panel. Higher settings tank performance while offering no visual improvement.

Bull, Fucking, Shit

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/assassins-creed-unity/assassins-creed-unity-nvidia-advanced-tessellation-comparison-1.html

[xAcid9]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Right, because ignoring the system requirements and trying to use a i5 when it's been shown to not be enough.

 

Is Nvidia's fault. /s

Right, because the game perform better with more cores and don't care about IPC performance at all. /s

 

[ivan134]

9 minutes ago, App4that said:

Bull, Fucking, Shit

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/assassins-creed-unity/assassins-creed-unity-nvidia-advanced-tessellation-comparison-1.html

I said reduce the settings, not turn it off. What is the difference between 16x and 8x here?

 

TressFX 3/PureHair in ROTR proves you can do good hair without using tessellation and still not be a huge performance hit. Nvidia figures their architecture is good at tessellation, so every tech they come up with uses it for huge performance hit that isn't justified by the gains in visual fidelity. We got to the point where we are now tessellating light. I never I would ever see the day where someone would tessellate light.

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Right, because the game perform better with more cores and don't care about IPC performance at all. /s

 

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

 

 

[xAcid9]

14 minutes ago, App4that said:

Bull, Fucking, Shit

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/assassins-creed-unity/assassins-creed-unity-nvidia-advanced-tessellation-comparison-1.html

On vs Off is not the same as 64x vs 16x.

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

 

 

Yeah, the graph i posted already show that? What's your point?

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

On vs Off is not the same as 64x vs 16x.

Yeah, the graph i posted already show that?

Yes, on that. This is a quote from the article containing that graph.

 

"Nvidia still shows better scaling overall, suggesting the CPU is perhaps more of a bottleneck on AMD GPUs in this title."

 

Still looking for a slider showing x4 to x8

[App4that]

10 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

On vs Off is not the same as 64x vs 16x.

 

Medium to high is the best I can find, and I repeat. Bull, Fucking, Shit

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/grand-theft-auto-v/grand-theft-auto-v-tessellation-interactive-comparison-2-high-vs-normal.html

[ivan134]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes, on that. This is a quote from the article containing that graph.

 

"Nvidia still shows better scaling overall, suggesting the CPU is perhaps more of a bottleneck on AMD GPUs in this title."

 

Still looking for a slider showing x4 to x8

You won't because see it because Nvidia doesn't have it in their control panel. Only AMD does. Why would Nvidia give people that setting anyway? If people were getting better performance on their 700 cards, they wouldn't want to go buy 900 cards.

[xAcid9]

38 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes, on that. This is a quote from the article containing that graph.

"Nvidia still shows better scaling overall, suggesting the CPU is perhaps more of a bottleneck on AMD GPUs in this title."

Yeah the graph show better scaling on 980 Ti but not on 980 and lower. In DF article they used an overclocked Titan-X, that's why the scaling is similar to 980 Ti in MaxPC article. I don't think DF will get similar scaling if they use lower end Nvidia card.

 

Everyone know Fallout 4 and AMD is not a good friend, but they're improving though.

[App4that]

Just now, ivan134 said:

You won't because see it because Nvidia doesn't have it in their control panel. Only AMD does. Why would Nvidia give people that setting anyway? If people were getting better performance on their 700 cards, they wouldn't want to go buy 900 cards.

What?

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/grand-theft-auto-v/grand-theft-auto-v-tessellation-interactive-comparison-2-high-vs-normal.html

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

What?

 

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/grand-theft-auto-v/grand-theft-auto-v-tessellation-interactive-comparison-2-high-vs-normal.html

Those are in game settings, not control panel settings. You know how you can control AA settings from Nvidia control panel and override in game settings? You can't do that with tessellation on Nvidia. You can with AMD. That slider proves nothing because it doesn't show what level of tessellation it is. That could easily be 2x vs 8x. Do your in game AA settings give you the option of normal vs high or is it 2x, 4x, 8x, etc?

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Those are in game settings, not control panel settings? You know how you can control AA settings from Nvidia control panel and override in game settings? You can't do that with tessellation on Nvidia. You can with AMD. That slider proves nothing because it doesn't show what level of tessellation it is. That could easily be 2x vs 8x. Do your in game AA settings give you the option of normal vs high or is it 2x, 4x, 8x, etc?

 

[ivan134]

4 minutes ago, App4that said:

 

Exactly. There is no option to adjust tessellation levels in the control panel.

[App4that]

Just now, ivan134 said:

Exactly. There is no option to adjust tessellation levels in the control panel.

*thud*

 

Because adjusting the level in the games menu is hard? Not seeing the problem here.

[ivan134]

Just now, App4that said:

*thud*

 

Because adjusting the level in the games menu is hard? Not seeing the problem here.

In game settings don't give you the same level of control. Normal vs high means absolutely nothing if you don't know what exactly the levels are. If it the options for AF and AA were normal and high would that tell you anything?

[App4that]

Just now, ivan134 said:

In game settings don't give you the same level of control. Normal vs high means absolutely nothing if you don't know what exactly the levels are. If it the options for AF and AA were normal and high would that tell you anything?

But why? This isn't that difficult. If your card is having an issue, turn the setting down. Why are you trying to make this more of a problem than it is.

 

Oooooh, you don't like Nividia, so manufacture problems where none exist.

 

I keep forgetting.

[ivan134]

 

9 minutes ago, App4that said:

But why? This isn't that difficult. If your card is having an issue, turn the setting down. Why are you trying to make this more of a problem than it is.

 

Oooooh, you don't like Nividia, so manufacture problems where none exist.

 

I keep forgetting.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Saying that people with AMD cards should turn down tessellation in the control panel for GameWorks games and saying Nvidia should include one for people with older cards is creating a problem where it doesn't exist? LOL, okay. Or maybe you're talking about me saying you don't need to tessellate the fuck out of everything to get good visuals (seriously, tessellating fucking light, i expect the next game to have tessellated air)? Go take a look at PureHair in ROTR

 

Oh wait, you have very bad reasoning skills. I keep forgetting.

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

 

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Saying that people with AMD cards should turn down tessellation in the control panel for GameWorks games and saying Nvidia should include one for people with older cards is creating a problem where it doesn't exist? LOL, okay. Or maybe you're talking about me saying you don't need to tessellate the fuck out of everything to get good visuals (seriously, tessellating fucking light, i expect the next game to have tessellated air)? Go take a look at PureHair in ROTR

 

Oh wait, you have very bad reasoning skills. I keep forgetting.

You can't figure out that if your card isn't strong enough for a setting, to lower it, and I have bad reasoning skills

 

Fans...

 

[mikat]

2 hours ago, Festive said:

He asked 290x vs 970 not anything else, stop being a fucking 390/AMD bell ringer already. It's like nobody here on AMDTechSuggestions realizes that you cant go around shoving shit down people throats like you're a salseman.

well the 290x and the 390 are almost the same and there is no reason to build the old gpu?

[afyeung]

9 minutes ago, mikat said:

well the 290x and the 390 are almost the same and there is no reason to build the old gpu?

The 390 and 290x are similar in the same way that the 390x and 390 are similar. The 390x and 290x use the same exact chip, therefore the 290x is more powerful than the 390. The reason why the 290x gets a bad rep because 90% of the aftermarket coolers for it were crap, not to mention it's an extremely hot card. Same with the 390x/390, these cards are sort of unbearable to use without proper cooling. 

[ivan134]

37 minutes ago, App4that said:

You can't figure out that if your card isn't strong enough for a setting, to lower it, and I have bad reasoning skills

 

Fans...

 

Yes, you do because nothig I've said has anything to do with whether a card is powerful enough to run a setting. Asking for more control =/= a card isnt powerful enough to use a setting. By your logic, the only options for AA or AF should be on and off.

[App4that]

Just now, ivan134 said:

Yes, you do because nothig I've said has anything to do with whether a card is powerful enough to run a setting. Asking for more control =/= a card isnt powerful enough to use a setting. By your logic, the only options for AA or AF should be on and off.

What? You're talking crazy

 

How do you not have control? If you want to lower the setting, do it. Lower the setting.

 

I don't see you bitching that AMD doesn't offer sharpness control with VSR.

 

So I repeat. Fans...