970 vs 390x

[PlayStation 2]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

This again. Nvidia does not abandon their older cards as is evident by the 780ti offering similar performance in ROTTR to a Fury X.

 

While I'll say RotTR benchmarks comparing to AMD cards are bullshit, it just looks like the games just take advantage of more what Maxwell is focused at. And since Kepler has pretty respectable compute performance, it can beat a 970 in this game with PureHair on.

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

While I'll say RotTR benchmarks comparing to AMD cards are bullshit, it just looks like the games just take advantage of more what Maxwell is focused at. And since Kepler has pretty respectable compute performance, it can beat a 970 in this game with PureHair on.

Yeah, can't agree with you but different priorities for different people. I got tired of waiting months for proper driver support, so I'll stick with Nvidia until AMD prioritizes driver support. But the main point of showing that graph is that Kepler isn't forgotten and this "planned obsolescence" is BS.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, App4that said:

Yeah, can't agree with you but different priorities for different people. I got tired of waiting months for proper driver support, so I'll stick with Nvidia until AMD prioritizes driver support. But the main point of showing that graph is that Kepler isn't forgotten and this "planned obsolescence" is BS.

Mm hmm. Once again, games for the most part just push raw GPU power instead of compute power and that's where Kepler/Fermi/AMD GCN pull ahead.

[App4that]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

Mm hmm. Once again, games for the most part just push raw GPU power instead of compute power and that's where Kepler/Fermi/AMD GCN pull ahead.

The real danger to current graphics cards is the reliance on VRAM. The 390/x has it in spades but will show it's age way before the tops cards like a Fury X or 980ti. The next year should be, interesting.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, App4that said:

The real danger to current graphics cards is the reliance on VRAM. The 390/x has it in spades but will show it's age way before the tops cards like a Fury X or 980ti. The next year should be, interesting.

Amen. The good thing is with the 390/X is that since they have 8GB of VRAM, they can probably spread their legs far wider in Crossfire than the 970/980/Ti in SLI probably will in the future.

[App4that]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

Amen. The good thing is with the 390/X is that since they have 8GB of VRAM, they can probably spread their legs far wider in Crossfire than the 970/980/Ti in SLI probably will in the future.

Though I'd eat my hat if 390x in crossfire ever came close to 980ti in SLI.

You have no idea the power of the dark side.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, App4that said:

Though I'd eat my hat if 390x in crossfire ever came close to 980ti in SLI.

You have no idea the power of the dark side.

lol

In most scenarios, yes, the SLI 980 Ti is bitch slapping a CF 390X setup. But in VRAM-dependent scenarios (looking at you modded skyrim) the 390X will have an edge.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

lol

In most scenarios, yes, the SLI 980 Ti is bitch slapping a CF 390X setup. But in VRAM-dependent scenarios (looking at you modded skyrim) the 390X will have an edge.

Nah, I run over 50 mods in Fallout 4 in 1440. Almost exclusively texture based. IF I push the HD texture distance twice as far out, I come close to my 6g. That's also with the block set to 7. The block at 5 and normal HD texture distance I'm around 4g of usage. ROTTR is the only game that uses it all and I don't have nay performance penalties when it does.

The 390x is a great card, but 2g of VRAM can't compensate for the insane disparity in power between it and the all mighty, all powerful 980ti.

[DXMember]

9 hours ago, App4that said:

OK, first off this is going a bit off topic.

Second, look at the performance between the Kepler and Maxwell cards. 780ti between a 970 and 980, 780 less than 10 fps under the 780ti, and a 770 just under the 960.

Can we please not spread misinformation about the treatment of Kepler?

you are not looking at the benchmark I told to look at. I already told you Tomb Raider isn't  a particularly poisoned game and runs very good on all hardware
in PCPer benchmarks R9 390 even beats Titan X at 4k. Only Fiji cars were having problems which should be resolved by a game ready driver from AMD that should be aviable later today.

And I asked you to look at Project Cars benchmark:

[App4that]

9 hours ago, DXMember said:

you are not looking at the benchmark I told to look at. I already told you Tomb Raider isn't  a particularly poisoned game and runs very good on all hardware
in PCPer benchmarks R9 390 even beats Titan X at 4k. Only Fiji cars were having problems which should be resolved by a game ready driver from AMD that should be aviable later today.

And I asked you to look at Project Cars benchmark:

I think you're confused. The argument is that Kepler is somehow being held back, your own benchmark shows the 780ti just under the 980 and producing over 60fps which is all a majority of users need as they game on a 60hz monitor.

 

So, thank you for agreeing with me?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

I think you're confused. The argument is that Kepler is somehow being held back, your own benchmark shows the 780ti just under the 970 and producing over 60fps which is all a majority of users need as they game on a 60hz monitor.

 

So, thank you for agreeing with me?

A $699 gpu should at least have more fps than a $329 gpu though. 

[ChevbeeHD]

Save up for a FURY X

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

A $699 gpu should at least have more fps than a $329 gpu though. 

So, my Atari 2600 should beat a PS4 because it cost more new?

 

Love the logic

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

So, my Atari 2600 should beat a PS4 because it cost more new?

 

Love the logic

Atari launch - 1977, PS4 launch 2013

780 Ti launch - 2013, 970 launch - 2014

36 years and 1 year is quite a lot of difference. Unfortunately. 

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

Atari launch - 1977, PS4 launch 2013

780 Ti launch - 2013, 970 launch - 2014

36 years and 1 year is quite a lot of difference. Unfortunately. 

The point is different architectures, but I'll wait for you.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

The point is different architectures, but I'll wait for you.

Happy waitin :>

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

Happy waitin :>

If you look at the graph of Project cars the separation between the 970 and Titan X(980ti) is 2 fps. That places the 780ti a whopping 4fps behind the Titan X.

Do you see why you guys and your fear mongering frustrate me?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

If you look at the graph of Project cars the separation between the 970 and Titan X(980ti) is 2 fps. That places the 780ti a whopping 4fps behind the Titan X.

Do you see why you guys and your fear mongering frustrate me?

No answer for that. You choose to be frustrated. 

No reason for a $699 gpu to be even 1 fps slower than a $329 one. Nor a $649 gpu to be slower than a $199 gpu either. 

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

No answer for that. You choose to be frustrated. 

No reason for a $699 gpu to be even 1 fps slower than a $329 one. Nor a $649 gpu to be slower than a $199 gpu either. 

There IS a reason, different architecture. I expect a 1080 to beat my 980ti, it's naive not to.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

There IS a reason, different architecture. I expect a 1080 to beat my 980ti, it's naive not to.

The 980 did beat the 780 Ti. That's to be expected.

In that chart a 970 not 980 is also beating the 780 Ti and the 960 is beating the 780. 

Its like saying the 1070 beat the 980 Ti and the 1060 beat the 980. 

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

The 980 did beat the 780 Ti. That's to be expected.

In that chart a 970 not 980 is also beating the 780 Ti and the 960 is beating the 780 Ti. 

Its like saying the 1070 beat the 980 Ti and the 1060 beat the 980. 

THE 970 AND 980 GOT THE SAME SCORE.

And it's one fucking game. the 780ti and 970 should trade blows.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

THE 970 AND 980 GOT THE SAME SCORE.

And it's one fucking game. the 780ti and 970 should trade blows.

And we're finally on the same page. 

I've already said it in the past. Any studio that knows how to optimize will have the 780 Ti beat the 970.

It's not just one game, its the worse game to use as a comparison. That's why I say, no reason a $699 gpu should be losing out. 

[App4that]

Just now, Pohernori said:

And we're finally on the same page. 

I've already said it in the past. Any studio that knows how to optimize will have the 780 Ti beat the 970.

It's not just one game, its the worse game to use as a comparison. That's why I say, no reason a $699 gpu should be losing out. 

*thud* *thud* *thud* ow

 

Please tell me you're joking. Please. The 780ti and 970 are different fucking architectures. I know you guys are used ot following AMD and their rebadges passed as new cards, but please try and keep up. If the new cards don't offer a performance increase, why the fly fuck should we bother making/buying them? fuck

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Just now, App4that said:

*thud* *thud* *thud* ow

 

Please tell me you're joking. Please. The 780ti and 970 are different fucking architectures. I know you guys are used ot following AMD and their rebadges passed as new cards, but please try and keep up. If the new cards don't offer a performance increase, why the fly fuck should we bother making/buying them? fuck

Different architectures doesn't mean you stop optimizing for one

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

Different architectures doesn't mean you stop optimizing for one

But they haven't! Here, try this. Take a 780ti and play these two games without a driver. If what you say is true then there will be no performance difference.

If you see a performance difference. Then you can finally stop spreading misinformation out of brand loyalty.