AMD CPU Future

[sribeast21]

Hey! I was about to build a $900 AMD FX-8320 PC. But I read that AMD might stop producing FX series processors and only produce APU's. Is this rumor true? If it is should I go for a Intel Core I5-4670K build. Or can I build the 8320 build and now I will have option to upgrade the cpu in the future

 

Thanks,

Sribeast21

[Sky Daddy]

It seems plausible. 

AMD kicks ass in the apu market.

 

I hope AMD releases steamroller/excavator.

[SSOB]

8320 is an excelent processor for gaming , and so what even if AMD is going to stop making FX series , it still doesn't affect you if you buy a CPU now

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[Bluejay0]

There isn't a chance, yet there is... If the APUs got so powerful and can fit enough cores to surpass a single FX series, then they might consider it. 

[Guest GRRigger]

both are good pick id go with haswell

[FellTheSky]

you didn't specify the use of the pc. If its for gaming i would go with 4670k

For the rest the 8320 is ok. Im not sure how much value it has compared to the fx 6300

[MeltyMoon]

Buy your build, don't worry about it. Your 8320 can easily last you 4-5 years. Just a little extra input, why not save the 20 bucks and buy an 8350? You would be able to overclock further!

[D3MON]

if people are still willing to buy thier chips they will still make them, apu's are the future (and intels onboard gpu improvments show this) but they know now cutsom builder or enthusiast is going to want JUST an apu...

if you buy 1 and they make a change to a lan grid array (good idea in my mind) then you wont have to upgrade any more than you would otherwise, fi you bought intel youd still have to buy a new board at some point, there wouldnt be much point in upgrading to a "5670k" and the generation after that will be on a new board anyway, so theres no difference.

I also think that due to moores law running out it is leading to smaller and smaller gains, there will be less and less reason to upgrade in the future (aside from things like onboard graphics, instruction sets, better memory controllers etc).
a 8 threaded cpu will last you longer i reckon compared to a 4670k becuase since dual cores first came out (and subsequently quad cores) things are relying more on threads and less on IPC (though its still important)..

5 years-well all have 8 core apu's at 4ghz on 22nm with dedicated graphics cards doing other things like livestreaming our gameplay and so on.

[D3MON]

Buy your build, don't worry about it. Your 8320 can easily last you 4-5 years. Just a little extra input, why not save the 20 bucks and buy an 8350? You would be able to overclock further!

not likely seeing as the best binned chips are becoming 9590 and 9370s, this is the perfect time to get an 8320.

6300-£105-6 threads

8320-£122-8 threads=33% more cores for 25% more money

[TechFan@ic]

Next generation Broadwell processors will not be compatible with the current LGA 1150 motherboards, the socket will remain the same but a new chipset will be required to upgrade, so it will not matter either way.

The higher number of cores on the FX 8320 means it will be more future proof as games become more and more multi-core optimized thanks to the new generation of consoles, the first game to have next-gen multi-core support is Planetside 2.

[Dravic]

Next generation Broadwell processors will not be compatible with the current LGA 1150 motherboards, the socket will remain the same but a new chipset will be required to upgrade, so it will not matter either way.

 

You can't tell the future, neither can I, but i've heard this:

 

Broadwell is not 'next generation', it will be Haswell shrunk to 14nm. That's why it will only be released for mobile market as there is no need to re-release Haswell in desktop PCs with a bit smaller TDP (it's always about TDP on mobile market).

 

The next generation of Intel desktop CPUs will be Skylake and we still do not have details. It either will be new platform (DDR4 etc.) or just another lga 1150 processor.

 

However since AMD still can't match the IPC of Phenom II save for Intel i5-750 or something similiar, I doubt Intel will make any huge performance increases for the Skylake.

 

In other words if you want the fastest processor on earth I would buy Haswell i5 or i7 (if you aren't overclocking you can get cheap i7 4770 without iGPU called Xeon E3-1230v3. It's just 4770 without igpu, everything else is exactly the same. it is not some xeon e5, it's simply i7.)

[elwinverveer]

It might be true. AMD wants to rule the APU market, since intel is releasing great APU's as well (Intel Iris APU's). They will be as good as GTX 760 GPU's.

[MattDaemontools]

It might be true. AMD wants to rule the APU market, since intel is releasing great APU's as well (Intel Iris APU's). They will be as good as GTX 760 GPU's.

That's way way over-exaggerated, iris pro graphics are slower than GT640/650M Nvidia graphics, which are 4X slower than the GTX 760.

[elwinverveer]

That's way way over-exaggerated, iris pro graphics are slower than GT640/650M Nvidia graphics, which are 4X slower than the GTX 760.

Ah okay, I have read an article which said the best Iris APU would be competing with GTX760 GPU's.

[EmmaLong]

You can't tell the future, neither can I, but i've heard this:

 

Broadwell is not 'next generation', it will be Haswell shrunk to 14nm. That's why it will only be released for mobile market as there is no need to re-release Haswell in desktop PCs with a bit smaller TDP (it's always about TDP on mobile market).

 

The next generation of Intel desktop CPUs will be Skylake and we still do not have details. It either will be new platform (DDR4 etc.) or just another lga 1150 processor.

 

However since AMD still can't match the IPC of Phenom II save for Intel i5-750 or something similiar, I doubt Intel will make any huge performance increases for the Skylake.

 

In other words if you want the fastest processor on earth I would buy Haswell i5 or i7 (if you aren't overclocking you can get cheap i7 4770 without iGPU called Xeon E3-1230v3. It's just 4770 without igpu, everything else is exactly the same. it is not some xeon e5, it's simply i7.)

Doesn't matter, either way, the 8 series Intel chipset is a dead chipset, next year the Haswell refresh will require new boards with the 9 series chipsets, subsequently Broadwell in two years will also require the new 9 series chipset.

It's not speculation, this is the official news from intel.

[MattDaemontools]

Ah okay, I have read an article which said the best Iris APU would be competing with GTX760 GPU's.

[TechFan@ic]

A new series of processors are coming to the current AMD socket code named "Warsaw" in Q1 2014.

[Dravic]

Doesn't matter, either way, the 8 series Intel chipset is a dead chipset, next year the Haswell refresh will require new boards with the 9 series chipsets, subsequently Broadwell in two years will also require the new 9 series chipset.

It's not speculation, this is the official news from intel.

 

What. What Broadwell? have you read what i said? I said Broadwell is not going to be new CPU, it's not for desktops, it's for embedded mobile stuff like ultrabooks and laptops.

 

Next real new desktop CPUs will be 14nm Skylake in 2015. They are giving AMD another year to catch up (whole 2014).

Meanwhile they are going to rebadge Haswell and call it a day. Yes it will be for 1150 socket. It's not about chipset, it's about socket you silly!

 

1150 Socket is not dead yet, not unless Intel says it is. But that doesnt change the fact that haswell refresh will only be a rebadge and that's going to piss people off (but well they probably are waiting for AMD to catch up finally, giving another chance and another) but you don't have to buy the Haswell refresh if you dont want to.

[Dravic]

A new series of processors are coming to the current AMD socket code named "Warsaw" in Q1 2014.

 

Warsaw is reused Piledriver for servers, nothing else.

 

[TechFan@ic]

Warsaw is reused Piledriver for servers, nothing else.

The "Haswell refresh" won't be any better, at least Warsaw will be socket compatible, the Haswell refresh will require a new motherboard.

So with the 8320 you at least have one more series of processors, unlike with the 4670K where you're pretty much buying into a dead platform.

Andrew Feldman stated that :

“Warsaw” will be similar to “Richland” in the sense that it takes advantage of process improvements to increase based clock speeds, and more aggressive power management to reduce consumption and offer higher TurboBoost clocks.

So it will be a nice 10% improvement, similar to the one from Sandy/Ivy Bridge to Haswell.

[SkilledRebuilds]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/AMDs-Processor-Shift-Future-Really-Fusion

 

"What most people do not realize is that AMD will be going all APU all the time in the very near future."

 

Was reading this a few days ago..

Worth a Read

Saw this coming a long time ago.

[KidneyStoner]

You have no upgrade path with the 4670K, the z87 socket is dead.
With the 8320 you have at least one more series of processors if not more that will be socket compatible, this is official from AMD.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2208525/amd-sticks-with-socket-am3-for-steamroller

[TERAFLOP]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/AMDs-Processor-Shift-Future-Really-Fusion

 

"What most people do not realize is that AMD will be going all APU all the time in the very near future."

 

Was reading this a few days ago..

Worth a Read

Saw this coming a long time ago.

This is a rumor by VR-Zone which contradicts AMD's official statements.

In any case I went becak and read through the VR-Zone rumors of the past 5 years & all of them were completely wrong.

They predicted some really outrageous things like Broadwell in 2013, Maxwell in 2012, AMD 8000 series in Q1 2013 which all turned out to be completely wrong.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Link to VR's Rumour..?

PCPER usually don't delve into writing about rumours, moreso discussing them, making me think there is more truth to it if thi is written about.

[TechFan@ic]

Link to VR's Rumour..?

PCPER usually don't delve into writing about rumours, moreso discussing them, making me think there is more truth to it if thi is written about.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/hold-for-publication-why-its-a-big-deal-that-amd-is-delaying-kaveri/49389.html#ixzz2b6AKAHts