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I went ahead and deleted my post

 

Apparently, according to the people on here, I got some bad advice from my psychology professors. Can a moderator just delete this whole thread please?

I get 60 frames at 1080p on a dual core APU. Ask me how.

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Cool story.

Btw you are so wrong about not being able to see above 30fps.

I'll rephrase that, you can tell the difference between different frame rates, 60 is smoother than 30, 120 is smooth than 60 etc.

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how about 90fps? i still cant go below 60 but i do like "120" still 

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As far as I know, it's not "seeing more FPS" it's the screen refreshing so fast it's crisp and better looking.

 

However, I'm one of those people who can't tell the difference from games. I can tell in movies and shows though.

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Hi everyone. For a long time I have wanted to get some feedback to this idea that I have had for a while. I posted this on overclock.net and was brutally attacked by a gang of PC nerds who decided that I wasn't enough of a PC nerd to be able to talk about things that I have no business talking about. I told them that I had a degree in psychology and I learned a bit about how the human eye worked and some of them told me that trying to throw my degree around is laughable. I figure you people are a lot nicer, so I came over to this forum instead. I am not trying to say that I am a know it all, I am just taking what I have learned and applying it to technology. And I am only mentioning my psychology degree so you don't think I am full of crap and making this stuff up.

 

Honestly, I think any framerate over 60 is bullsh**. Why? The human eye, on average, can see 30 fps. Anything lower and it gets jittery, anything higher and it becomes invisible. Here is where my education comes in: how the human eye works is that you have a cluster of cells behind your eyeball called photoreceptors. Basically, those cells send information to the back of the brain via the optic nerve and the brain processes what you see and brings it into your awareness. You then perceive motion, color, and brightness. This process takes time, it can only happen about 30 times a second give or take maybe 5 times depending on the person. What I find interesting is that you never see true fluid motion, what you see is a bunch of images and your brain makes it look like things are moving. So in essence, there is absolutely no way that a person can perceive 120 frames per second. It is humanly impossible. Therefore, I do not understand why people would buy a 240hz TV over a 120hz TV. I know that 120hz TVs mitigate motion blur, but can 240hz really do that much better?

 

I am only somewhat familiar with how TVs process images so if anyone wants to educate me a bit then I am all ears. Again, my psychology degree only made me qualified to talk about how the brain sees things, not about how technology works.

 

What do you guys think about all this? What do you think about high Hz TVs?

Then human eye can see way over 30 FPS. 24 FPS is the point where the human eye starts to see things as a video instead of pictures in a sequence. The human eye does not see in frames. FPS is just how quickly monitors show images. Anything over 24 FPS is a video to a human.

 

Do you genuinely think that monitors over 30Hz would exist if the human eye could not see over that!? I can tell the difference between 120FPS, 60FPS and 30PFS.

 

Maybe you should fix your eyes or something because if you can't tell the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz, your eyes are very, very broken.

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Hi everyone. For a long time I have wanted to get some feedback to this idea that I have had for a while. I posted this on overclock.net and was brutally attacked by a gang of PC nerds who decided that I wasn't enough of a PC nerd to be able to talk about things that I have no business talking about. I told them that I had a degree in psychology and I learned a bit about how the human eye worked and some of them told me that trying to throw my degree around is laughable. I figure you people are a lot nicer, so I came over to this forum instead. I am not trying to say that I am a know it all, I am just taking what I have learned and applying it to technology. And I am only mentioning my psychology degree so you don't think I am full of crap and making this stuff up.

 

Honestly, I think any framerate over 60 is bullsh**. Why? The human eye, on average, can see 30 fps. Anything lower and it gets jittery, anything higher and it becomes invisible. Here is where my education comes in: how the human eye works is that you have a cluster of cells behind your eyeball called photoreceptors. Basically, those cells send information to the back of the brain via the optic nerve and the brain processes what you see and brings it into your awareness. You then perceive motion, color, and brightness. This process takes time, it can only happen about 30 times a second give or take maybe 5 times depending on the person. What I find interesting is that you never see true fluid motion, what you see is a bunch of images and your brain makes it look like things are moving. So in essence, there is absolutely no way that a person can perceive 120 frames per second. It is humanly impossible. Therefore, I do not understand why people would buy a 240hz TV over a 120hz TV. I know that 120hz TVs mitigate motion blur, but can 240hz really do that much better?

 

I am only somewhat familiar with how TVs process images so if anyone wants to educate me a bit then I am all ears. Again, my psychology degree only made me qualified to talk about how the brain sees things, not about how technology works.

 

What do you guys think about all this? What do you think about high Hz TVs?

 

You, sir are incredibly wrong. 24 FPS is where the human eye stops being able to tell the difference between a set of images and a fluid movie. If you get 120FPS in a game on a 120Hz monitor, you will be able to feel the difference. Everything will appear smoother, especially when turning round very quickly in games. Think about it. At 60Hz, you waggle your mouse around and you compare that with 120Hz, you will be able to see how much more smooth the movement is. I can't even explain how wrong you are with words. Just try it and then come back and tell me you can't see more than 30 FPS. Please try not to make such bold false statements and make an idiot out of yourself without having the experience of using 120Hz monitors and comparing them to 60Hz monitors. Take a look at what Jackbe said. If you couldn't see over 30 FPS, they wouldnt make 120Hz monitors. 

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It's not about seeing the fps. I have a ASUS 144hz monitor and it's very much noticeable how more smooth it is compared to 60 hz. It's a day and night experience.

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I posted this on overclock.net and was brutally attacked by a gang of PC nerds who decided that I wasn't enough of a PC nerd to be able to talk about things that I have no business talking about.

 

For a good reason, because you don't know what you are talking about.

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I am sorry, but in game I can already notice a difference between 60Hz and 75Hz. And also; the human eye does not see in "frames per second".

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I'm going to go out there and point out that not everything you learn in school can be up to date and accurate to start. 
I also say the there is a HUGE difference between 30, and 60 FPS. Now talking 60 - 120 is where you might get into a big argument. Even I can notice the differance between 30 and 60. Can I see at 60 FPS? maybe not, but I sure can tell the difference when plating a game. 
So really I think the highest a TV should go in Hz is 120, nothing above is needed as far as I know. 

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For a good reason, because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

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If you think anything more than 30 fps is invisible you need to go to an ophthalmologist.

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I went ahead and deleted my post

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Somebody went full retard and realised :P 

 

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I went ahead and deleted my post

 

Shame. It appears you can't back up your 'facts' that you know from getting your degree.

 

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So untrue... When people can see a difference, they obviously can see more then 30fps... There is a reason bf4 is running 60fps 720p instead of 30fps 1080p on console..

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NO, Linus did a video proving he can see difference between 120hz and 60hz!

It's an ncix video look it up

 

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NO, Linus did a video proving he can see difference between 120hz and 60hz!

It's an ncix video look it up

Stoop with that gif its making me insane so i can only see 30fps!

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no, this one!

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First of all, here's Linus' video of the subject. Human can see the difference between 60 and 120 Hz.

http://youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB

But why is it different than what you have been told? I don't know. Maybe it's like someone already said: 24 fps is when pictures become motion, but motion can still be smoother.

EDIT: Sorry, the link doesn't work since I'm on a phone but someone posted the video already.

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no, this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IF9ZPwgDM

how do you make it a video?

 

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What kind of PC and Screen do you have then...

I have a 3570K and GTX 680 SC+ 2GB. I have used a BenQ 120Hz TN monitor and thought it was dumb for it's price. Now I use a 21:9 60Hz LG IPS monitor with low response time.

 

My TV is 120Hz Samsung Smart TV.

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Lol woops :D

how do you make it a video?!?

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