Final check before I purchase the PC, help me please

[Tomku]

Heya linustechtips guys,

 

I'm about to purchase my first PC that I'll be building myself and I have spend quite a bit of research on the components. Could you guys do a quick run through to check if everything is compatible and comment if you see something that should be changed before I purchase the PC? Thanks!

 

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

Graphics card: MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G

Motherboard:MSI B85-G43 GAMING

Processor: Intel Core i5 4460

Power supply:XFX TS Series 550W        

Case:Cooler Master N600

RAM: Kingston HyperX FURY Black 8GB - PC3-15000 - DIMM

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO Series - Solid state drive

[PlayStation 2]

yes but why 1866mhz ram

[Guest]

Looks good, no HDD? 

[Bob Jim]

Change the GPU to an R9 380, more performance for the same price. Other than that, looks good!

[Samppa221]

Looks nice but if this is a budget pc you really don't need that 212 evo because you can't overclock that i5

[Tomku]

yes but why 1866mhz ram

 

I thought it would be good enough compared to the rest. Is it not?

[PlayStation 2]

I thought it would be good enough compared to the rest. Is it not?

you really dont need fast ram with that kind of rig

[Tomku]

Looks nice but if this is a budget pc you really don't need that 212 evo because you can't overclock that i5

The EVO is like 25 euros so it's not that big of a deal . Thx tho

[Tomku]

you really dont need fast ram with that kind of rig

Y, but the red HyperX Fury looks really cool with the mobo and graphics card 

[Majestic]

Change the GPU to an R9 380, more performance for the same price. Other than that, looks good!

 

At the cost of losing DX12_1 feature level, double the power consumption, more noise, heat and DX11 drivers with more CPU overhead. Sure.

[PlayStation 2]

Y, but the red HyperX Fury looks really cool with the mobo and graphics card 

well if it's to match the build then ok

[Tomku]

Looks good, no HDD? 

I can always purchase one if I run out of space

[SektorGT]

I recommend i5 4670k

[onVacation]

Y, but the red HyperX Fury looks really cool with the mobo and graphics card 

There's also red HyperX Fury 1600 Mhz: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx316c10frk28

[BigDay]

 

Heya linustechtips guys,

 

I'm about to purchase my first PC that I'll be building myself and I have spend quite a bit of research on the components. Could you guys do a quick run through to check if everything is compatible and comment if you see something that should be changed before I purchase the PC? Thanks!

 

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

Graphics card: MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G

Motherboard:MSI B85-G43 GAMING

Processor: Intel Core i5 4460

Power supply:XFX TS Series 550W        

Case:Cooler Master N600

RAM: Kingston HyperX FURY Black 8GB - PC3-15000 - DIMM

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO Series - Solid state drive

 

 

looks good to me, but why didn't you go with the r9 380 @ 4gb over the 960? it performs better. do you have an hdd?

[DarkBlade2117]

yes but why 1866mhz ram

1866mhz vs 1600mhz in price is like $1-$2

[Bob Jim]

At the cost of losing DX12_1 feature level, double the power consumption, more noise, heat and DX11 drivers with more CPU overhead. Sure.

Noise and heat depend entirely on the card, and Tonga is better than other AMD cards, just look at reviews. Noise and heat are. Not. Issues. Same with power consumption. A 500W is enough, and under 500W PSUs generally have no PCIe connector, making that irrelevant. What does 12.1 actually give that the average user cares about. The I5 4460 is fine, no CPU issues. More performance than the 960. Your point?

[007agentHP]

At the cost of losing DX12_1 feature level, double the power consumption, more noise, heat and DX11 drivers with more CPU overhead. Sure.

considering nvidia doesnt support all the dx12 features (maxwell doesnt spport lots), the power consumption on the 960 rises quickly when overclocked, and that cpu wouldnt even bottleneck a titan x. dont nvidia fanboy around and recommend things that are good

[Majestic]

Noise and heat depend entirely on the card, and Tonga is better than other AMD cards, just look at reviews. Noise and heat are. Not. Issues. Same with power consumption. A 500W is enough, and under 500W PSUs generally have no PCIe connector, making that irrelevant. What does 12.1 actually give that the average user cares about. The I5 4460 is fine, no CPU issues. More performance than the 960. Your point?

 

A card using twice the power consumption will be louder, regardless of the cooling solution. Especially since most brands re-use the same heatsinks over multiple cards. It not being an issue is highly subjective, and why you're deciding this for the OP really says something about your self-righteousness.

 

considering nvidia doesnt support all the dx12 features (maxwell doesnt spport lots), the power consumption on the 960 rises quickly when overclocked, and that cpu wouldnt even bottleneck a titan x. dont nvidia fanboy around and recommend things that are good

 

Ah yes, because I point out the complete story to your recommendation I'm the fanboy. Not you for only noting the positive bits of your recommendation. Lack of self-awareness is rampant on this forum.

 

An i5-4460 would bottleneck a TitanX severely in titles like Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, Battlefield 4 MP. By alteast 20-30% compared to an OC'ed i5/i7.

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/b4.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/fc4.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/gta5.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/w3.png

 

Maxwell's power consumption is nearly the same overclocked. A 1500mhz 960 only uses 80 Watts.

http://www.pcper.com/files/review/2015-01-20/power-adv.png

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960-2GB-Review-GM206-199/New-Level-Power-Testing

 

I'm not saying choose either/or. I'm just adding context to your vapid recommendation.

[Bob Jim]

A card using twice the power consumption will be louder, regardless of the cooling solution. Especially since most brands re-use the same heatsinks over multiple cards. It not being an issue is highly subjective, and why you're deciding this for the OP really says something about your self-righteousness.

 

 

Ah yes, because I point out the complete story to your recommendation I'm the fanboy. Not you for only noting the positive bits of your recommendation. Lack of self-awareness is rampant on this forum.

 

An i5-4460 would bottleneck a TitanX severely in titles like Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, Battlefield 4 MP. By alteast 20-30% compared to an OC'ed i5/i7.

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/b4.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/fc4.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/gta5.png

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2015/skylake/charts/def/w3.png

 

Maxwell's power consumption is nearly the same overclocked. A 1500mhz 960 only uses 80 Watts.

http://www.pcper.com/files/review/2015-01-20/power-adv.png

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960-2GB-Review-GM206-199/New-Level-Power-Testing

 

I'm not saying choose either/or. I'm just adding context to your vapid recommendation.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-r9-390x-r9-380-r7-370,review-33233-12.html

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-gtx960-gaming-2g-oc-edition/16/

4Db difference. Note that the 960 one was taken over double the distance away, making them roughly the same. A 1-2Db difference is unnoticeable. Your point?

[Majestic]

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-r9-390x-r9-380-r7-370,review-33233-12.html

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-gtx960-gaming-2g-oc-edition/16/

4Db difference. Note that the 960 one was taken over double the distance away, making them roughly the same. A 1-2Db difference is unnoticeable. Your point?

 

You're comparing two seperate tests done under different situations and enviroments, making your evidence shaky at best. And do you have to passive-agressively add "your point" at the end of your retort? Like your opinion is somehow irrefutable or something? 

 

http://nl.hardware.info/vergelijkingstabel/producten/274607-312764

 

This website uses soundproof boxes to test graphics cards and they were both tested under similar conditions. 27.5 vs 34.8. That's 7.3 dB. That is def. noticable over non-noticeable.

 

Again, not saying go with 960 or 380. Just adding context. The context you didn't provide because you were biased.

[Bob Jim]

You're comparing two seperate tests done under different situations and enviroments, making your evidence shaky at best. And do you have to passive-agressively add "your point" at the end of your retort? Like your opinion is somehow irrefutable or something? 

 

http://nl.hardware.info/vergelijkingstabel/producten/274607-312764

 

This website uses soundproof boxes to test graphics cards and they were both tested under similar conditions. 27.5 vs 34.8. That's 7.3 dB. That is def. noticable over non-noticeable.

 

Again, not saying go with 960 or 380. Just adding context. The context you didn't provide because you were biased.

 

Considering 30Db is a quiet library supposedly, 34 is still not loud. Also how close was the microphone? If not realistic usage, neither GPU is loud enough for anyone to care. IMO, more performance, ESPECIALLY in DX12, is worth a little bit more noise that would fade into the background within 5min.

[Majestic]

Considering 30Db is a quiet library supposedly, 34 is still not loud. Also how close was the microphone? If not realistic usage, neither GPU is loud enough for anyone to care. IMO, more performance, ESPECIALLY in DX12, is worth a little bit more noise that would fade into the background within 5min.

 

35dB is noticeable, but not loud indeed. But 27.5, if placed in the correct enviroment, isn't noticable. That is not to say this is an argument which can (or should) sway the opinion of the buyer in it's own right. But it's worth mentioning. Just like the power consumption (70W of extra heat also means more airflow), heat and the fact it's a rebranded R9-285 are worth mentioning.

 

AMD's "win" in ashes of singularity is not to be interpreted as a significantly faster performance in DX12 in absolute terms. Rather in relative terms and as a testament to their vastly inefficient DX11 drivers that caused such stark contrast to appear. Nvidia's gain was hampered by both their architectural aim (serial over parrallel) but also of their superior DX11 drivers that were already mostly sufficient to push that many drawcalls. The actual difference between the 390 and 980 wasn't that stellar. Only the contrast of DX11 and DX12 for AMD, again due to the terrible DX11 drivers mostly.

[Bob Jim]

35dB is noticeable, but not loud indeed. But 27.5, if placed in the correct enviroment, isn't noticable. That is not to say this is an argument which can (or should) sway the opinion of the buyer in it's own right. But it's worth mentioning. Just like the power consumption (70W of extra heat also means more airflow), heat and the fact it's a rebranded R9-285 are worth mentioning.

 

AMD's "win" in ashes of singularity is not to be interpreted as a significantly faster performance in DX12 in absolute terms. Rather in relative terms and as a testament to their vastly inefficient DX11 drivers that caused such stark contrast to appear. Nvidia's gain was hampered by both their architectural aim (serial over parrallel) but also of their superior DX11 drivers. The actual difference between the 390 and 980 wasn't that stellar. Only the contrast of DX11 and DX12 for AMD, again due to the terrible DX11 drivers mostly.

Nvidia were so ashamed by the benchmarks they pressured the game owners to change certain settings, and disable a feature built into the game driver released by Nvidia. That if nothing else suggests their DX12 drivers are messed up. The fact that AMD have bad DX11 drivers is irrelevant; in their current state they beat the GTX 960 with its supposed 'better' drivers. Which means that they will destroy it with decent (DX12) drivers.

[Majestic]

Nvidia were so ashamed by the benchmarks they pressured the game owners to change certain settings, and disable a feature built into the game driver released by Nvidia. That if nothing else suggests their DX12 drivers are messed up. The fact that AMD have bad DX11 drivers is irrelevant; in their current state they beat the GTX 960 with its supposed 'better' drivers. Which means that they will destroy it with decent (DX12) drivers.

 

Now who is being highly biased...

 

I don't care much for Nvidia's kneejerk PR department. THAT is what i'd call irrelevant to this topic, an utter red herring. The fact AMD's DX11 drivers are bad IS relevant, because this is the reason you saw those big leaps. Don't think that near 90-100% scaling means 90-100% more performance compared to similarly priced nvidia hardware. You have a habit of reading the clickbait title and extrapolating all information you need, without actually checking the data yourself. 

 

You're the one providing the bad information, excluding information that doesn't serve your bias and accuse people of being biased when you're biased yourself. Bob Jim.

 

Bottomline, the 380 and 960 both have their pro's and cons. Your utter refusal to aknowledge this only makes this website a more dreary place. Nvidia cards have better DX11 drivers, with much more drawcalls/second throughput and lower CPU overhead (so less emphasis on CPU). They have greater effiency, meaning the same performance at lower consumption/power/heat. There is also Gsync / Shadowplay for those who wish to use those technologies.

 

AMD generally has faster hardware for the same price, but as a result they're usually less efficient. And they have more CPU overhead (poorly optimized dx11 drivers) which limits their hardware advantage. The 380 is faster than the 960 in absolute terms, at stock settings. But overclocked the favor swings to Nvidia (1530mhz 960's is pretty much a standard), and neither is the 4GB really a point at the 1080p these cards are made for.

 

It's up to the OP to decide which facets he finds more appealing. Not to you, or me.