i7-4790K or i7-6700K - Upgrading System

[Morgan MLGman]

you can harakiri everything you want. Haswell-E above 1.25v is recommended to be watercooled with atleast 3x120fan setup radiator. The point is this chip is fucking hot and overclocking means nothing for gaming.

It is a hot chip I agree, it's not as hot as you might think. He will get 4,2-4,5 with a good watercooling anyway.

[Morgan MLGman]

Wut? Mine doesnt go above 50C under load at 1.3V even...

he probably never even seen one in his life but you know he knows best obviously...

[PillowSmoke]

Is anyone able to provide me a link to a cheap-ish motherboard and CPU for an X99 build in Australian Dollars.

 

And look at you now, looking for a mobo for a 5820k. My comment still stands, and no sass.

[Elfuego]

he probably never even seen one in his life but you know he knows best obviously...

 

Just a second....

[BaileyF14]

Too many options. 

[Morgan MLGman]

Too many options. 

You shouldn't even hesitate and get the 5820k if you only can afford it.

[Elfuego]

you can harakiri everything you want. Haswell-E above 1.25v is recommended to be watercooled with atleast 3x120fan setup radiator. The point is this chip is fucking hot and overclocking means nothing on it for gaming.

 

 

Now feel like an idiot?

 

 

Oh and a validation - Just so you can be sure I am not cheesing it...

 

 

NB: I do not usually run at these settings but I just put it on here to show.... - This is also with fans at 25%

 

http://valid.x86.fr/yr2z2g

[Morgan MLGman]

Now feel like an idiot?

 

 

Oh and a validation - Just so you can be sure I am not cheesing it...

 

 

NB: I do not usually run at these settings but I just put it on here to show.... - This is also with fans at 25%

 

http://valid.x86.fr/yr2z2g

Me? I said that getting to the 4,4 gHz is not an issue with decent cooling, I put a PC together for my dad featuring a 5820k and a Dark Rock Pro 3 cooler and I overclocked it to 4,4 gHz stable with decent temperatures. The DarkSmith2 claimed that the chip is 'so hot' only custom loop coolers can cool it well enough for this kind of overclocking. He probably have never even seen one of these chips in his life.

[Elfuego]

Me? I said that getting to the 4,4 gHz is not an issue with decent cooling, I put a PC together for my dad featuring a 5820k and a Dark Rock Pro 3 cooler and I overclocked it to 4,4 gHz stable with decent temperatures. The DarkSmith2 claimed that the chip is 'so hot' only custom loop coolers can cool it well enough for this kind of overclocking. He probably have never even seen one of these chips in his life.

 

I meant DarkSmith2; just quoted the wrong post .

[Morgan MLGman]

I meant DarkSmith2; just quoted the wrong post .

Ah okay that explains a lot, I was so confused at first

[Elfuego]

Ah okay that explains a lot, I was so confused at first

 

 I really hate people saying they are uncoolable with air - My i7 950 had a similar draw (~225W TDP) under Overclock (1.4V) and I cooled it quite happily with a Noctua DH14

[slightlyjaded]

and i7 5960x is a 145W part....It is uncoolable with standard intel air coolers ( a part that is rated for 75W TDP)  There are many air coolers that are rated for this however, and a lot that can handle a full OC on the 5960x.....barely. While I would recommend at least an AIO for any OCed x99 part, it is possible on air.

[Elfuego]

Agree on the AIOs but a top end air cooler will do the job just as well (Read DH14/DH15 and anything comparable).

 

For the record I am indeed using a custom loop...

 

 

and i7 5960x is a 145W part....It is uncoolable with standard intel air coolers ( a part that is rated for 75W TDP)  There are many air coolers that are rated for this however, and a lot that can handle a full OC on the 5960x.....barely. While I would recommend at least an AIO for any OCed x99 part, it is possible on air.

[Morgan MLGman]

 I really hate people saying they are uncoolable with air - My i7 950 had a similar draw (~225W TDP) under Overclock (1.4V) and I cooled it quite happily with a Noctua DH14

Well I use a FX-8350 @ 4,5gHz with an air cooler SilentiumPC Grandis, it's a twin-tower, dual 120mm fan cooler. Doesn't exceed 55 degrees under full load. 120W TDP CPU =)

[Elfuego]

Well I use a FX-8350 @ 4,5gHz with an air cooler SilentiumPC Grandis, it's a twin-tower, dual 120mm fan cooler. Doesn't exceed 55 degrees under full load. 120W TDP CPU =)

 

 

5930Ks are 140W base; but TDP really goes up with voltage...

[DarkSmith2]

Now feel like an idiot?

 

 

Oh and a validation - Just so you can be sure I am not cheesing it...

 

 

NB: I do not usually run at these settings but I just put it on here to show.... - This is also with fans at 25%

 

http://valid.x86.fr/yr2z2g

no i dont feel like an idiot, but now i know you are an idiot. RUN SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY PRODUCE HEAT NOT CINEBENCH

[Elfuego]

no i dont feel like an idiot, but now i know you are an idiot. RUN SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY PRODUCE HEAT NOT CINEBENCH

 

I am not stability testing and CB is a pretty close to real world use temps (i.e. Compiling my ggame OR Video Encoding) - I am not going to spend half an hour running wPrime just for you to see a difference of a few C (That never apply in reality)

[Morgan MLGman]

5930Ks are 140W base; but TDP really goes up with voltage...

I do know they're hotter, I'm just saying that it's not hard to cool down hot CPUs, you just need the tools to do that.

[Elfuego]

I do know they're hotter, I'm just saying that it's not hard to cool down hot CPUs, you just need the tools to do that.

 

Aye any decent air cooler (like you should be buying if you are gonna play with this class of chip) is adequate.

[Elfuego]

Actually just because I can:

 

Oh noes; 2C over what I said the real world max temps are.... zomg still not hot.. Even using 12 thread the temps dont go up much..

 

(MY Ambient temps currently are around 30C...)

 

[DarkSmith2]

Actually just because I can:

 

Oh noes; 2C over what I said the real world max temps are.... zomg still not hot.. Even using 12 thread the temps dont go up much..

 

for what you are doing there, this is fucking hot

[slightlyjaded]

cinebench is a cpu optimised benchmark...I forces the cpu to run a multicore workload at 100%....If you're trying to check heat buildup of your cpu the only thing better might be aida64.

[Elfuego]

for what you are doing there, this is fucking hot

 

Delta of 15-20C under 12 thread load (in wPrime) or around 10C in Cinebench? If you want I can break out the vapor phase or LN2...?

 

Anyway i am done arguing with someone who has probably never played with the Enthusiast class CPUs

[Elfuego]

cinebench is a cpu optimised benchmark...I forces the cpu to run a multicore workload at 100%....If you're trying to check heat buildup of your cpu the only thing better might be aida64.

 

I ran AIDA before; temps were pretty similar to Cinebench (+- 1C), only advantage is you can run it for longer - but that is outside the scope of this.

 

wPrime/Orthos etc will get it hotter - but you will never see those temps in real world use....

[slightlyjaded]

I ran AIDA before; temps were pretty similar to Cinebench (+- 1C), only advantage is you can run it for longer - but that is outside the scope of this.

 

wPrime/Orthos etc will get it hotter - but you will never see those temps in real world use....

yup, and I agree. A sustained benchmark at 100% will drive the temp up. I feel a 240mm+ AIO is perfect to reign in an x99 chip's heat generation. I also know that there are other options out there, so it's just a personal call.