EK Predator 240mm radiator

[Metro]

Search Fractal HP-14

 

I am thinking about getting 5 NF A14 IndustrialPPC fans for my case, then 4 fans for the AIO,  Vardar or Noctua

[Curufinwe_wins]

We have no retailer that sells them

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00W1KXY28/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00W1KXY28&linkCode=as2&tag=globetrott0af-21&linkId=TAPSA3YBERCMCBOL

 

Anyways... Any of those will work fine. Choose the one you think looks best.

[tomas710]

I cannot find any new Venturi fans here in the UK

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_7?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=venturi+fan&sprefix=venturi%2Caps%2C420

[Metro]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00W1KXY28/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00W1KXY28&linkCode=as2&tag=globetrott0af-21&linkId=TAPSA3YBERCMCBOL

 

Anyways... Any of those will work fine. Choose the one you think looks best.

 

You actually found some, I do not look at Amazon regularly, I mostly look at Scan and Overclockers which are the biggest retailers for components in the UK

[Metro]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00W1KXY28/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00W1KXY28&linkCode=as2&tag=globetrott0af-21&linkId=TAPSA3YBERCMCBOL

 

Anyways... Any of those will work fine. Choose the one you think looks best.

 

I quite like these for my case, has anyone done a comparison on the Noctua NF A14 IndustrialPPC IP67 fans and the Venturi HP 14 fans, trying to keep the cost of my computer going up at the moment, trying to stay under £200 for 9 fans, the Noctua just seems better quality than Venturi

 

 http://www.amazon.co.uk/noctua-NF-A14-PPC-2000-IP67/dp/B00KESSIUW/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1439760070&sr=8-16&keywords=Noctua+NF+A14

[Deli]

I quite like these for my case, has anyone done a comparison on the Noctua NF A14 IndustrialPPC IP67 fans and the Venturi HP 14 fans, trying to keep the cost of my computer going up at the moment, trying to stay under £200 for 9 fans, the Noctua just seems better quality than Venturi

 

 http://www.amazon.co.uk/noctua-NF-A14-PPC-2000-IP67/dp/B00KESSIUW/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1439760070&sr=8-16&keywords=Noctua+NF+A14

No need to pay extra for the IP67 version. And don't get the 3,000rpm version either.

[Lays]

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I think you are forgetting the block as well. The blocks in AIO's are pretty poorly designed compared to a custom EK block. 

The block itself should provide a 1-3c increase by itself, I honestly expect to be atleast 5c better than an any other AIO on the market currently.

[Metro]

No need to pay extra for the IP67 version. And don't get the 3,000rpm version either.

 

No, I will not get the 3000 RPM version but I quite like the idea of IP67 protection

[Curufinwe_wins]

I think you are forgetting the block as well. The blocks in AIO's are pretty poorly designed compared to a custom EK block. 

The block itself should provide a 1-3c increase by itself, I honestly expect to be atleast 5c better than an any other AIO on the market currently.

I didn't forget that. In fact I would argue that most of the difference is the block. Radiators are a dime a dozen and the only other difference is pump's. As a person above just stated they only got a 1C difference total from AIO to full custom with the same fans.

 

But you get to a certain point where you are so over built for cooling that you really don't improve temperatures with small thermal improvements.

 

And suppose you were sitting at 60C at a 27C base (so 33 above ambient) with a 280 AIO. A drop of 5C is a nearly 15% improvement in delta T and would indicate the 360 AIO was at least 7% better than the ultra premium models out there currently. A 15% improvement in block/pump/radiator (which would be phenomenal) in this case would result in 8C change compared to 280mm aio's.

 

However when it comes to EK's 240mm model, it just cant compete. It has to overcome a 27% reduction in surface area in order to even match the standard 280s. It just can't be done when they use the same fans. AIO's are not that bad.

[Metro]

I didn't forget that. In fact I would argue that most of the difference is the block. Radiators are a dime a dozen and the only other difference is pump's. As a person above just stated they only got a 1C difference total from AIO to full custom with the same fans.

 

But you get to a certain point where you are so over built for cooling that you really don't improve temperatures with small thermal improvements.

 

And suppose you were sitting at 60C at a 27C base (so 33 above ambient) with a 280 AIO. A drop of 5C is a nearly 15% improvement in delta T and would indicate the 360 AIO was at least 7% better than the ultra premium models out there currently. A 15% improvement in block/pump/radiator (which would be phenomenal) in this case would result in 8C change compared to 280mm aio's.

 

However when it comes to EK's 240mm model, it just cant compete. It has to overcome a 27% reduction in surface area in order to even match the standard 280s. It just can't be done when they use the same fans. AIO's are not that bad.

 

Well then the next problem is, if I want to use 15 Noctua NF A14 IndustrialPPC IP67 fans with the MSI Godlike, I will have to use three way Y splitters, would that even be safe

[Curufinwe_wins]

Well then the next problem is, if I want to use 15 Noctua NF A14 IndustrialPPC IP67 fans with the MSI Godlike, I will have to use three way Y splitters, would that even be safe

No idea. I only have 8 fans on my case and only one is a 4 way pwm splitter.

[Lays]

q

 

 

That person did something funky then if all they got was 1c difference lol. (also completely dependent on the parts they used in the loop, if they chose poor performing pump & radiators, or a lower end block.)

I previously couldn't benchmark 4.9 ghz 1.5v on my 4770k with my h100i GTX unless I submerged the radiator in icewater, now I can do it with my new loop because my liquid temperature never gets any warmer than ambient temp with my huge radiator.  It was totally not an uncommon thing for me to glance at Corsair link and see my liquid temp be over 30c while benchmarking or gaming, simply because the radiator just wasn't efficient enough. (although comparing a 1080mm radiator to a 240 is completely unfair)

[Curufinwe_wins]

That person did something funky then if all they got was 1c difference lol. (also completely dependent on the parts they used in the loop, if they chose poor performing pump & radiators, or a lower end block.)

I previously couldn't benchmark 4.9 ghz 1.5v on my 4770k with my h100i GTX unless I submerged the radiator in icewater, now I can do it with my new loop because my liquid temperature never gets any warmer than ambient temp with my huge radiator.  It was totally not an uncommon thing for me to glance at Corsair link and see my liquid temp be over 30c while benchmarking or gaming, simply because the radiator just wasn't efficient enough. (although comparing a 1080mm radiator to a 240 is completely unfair)

 

Indeed it is, and like I have said time and time again the h100i is bad (I mean it's fine and dandy, but of the 240/280 rads its down near the bottom).

[Lays]

Indeed it is, and like I have said time and time again the h100i is bad (I mean it's fine and dandy, but of the 240/280 rads its down near the bottom).

 

 

The GTX version is actually quite good, nearly as good as 280mm's.  Check out OC3D's review of it where he compares it to X61 / h110i GT, it was only a tiny bit worse.

[Curufinwe_wins]

The GTX version is actually quite good, nearly as good as 280mm's.  Check out OC3D's review of it where he compares it to X61 / h110i GT, it was only a tiny bit worse.

Now I'm not trying to poopoo on that review, but is he honestly claiming that the x61 is worse than the x60? Also it is important to note that those are all stock fans...

 

BTW Look at http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h100i_gtx_review,11.html only on par with the h110

 

Or this http://www.legitreviews.com/corsair-h100i-gtx-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review_160695/6 notably worse than the h105 (which itself is marginally better than the stock h110)

 

Again this one http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/henry-butt/corsair-hydro-h100i-gtx-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/6/ on par (about .6 C better) than the h110

 

And the h110 is literally not an impressive 280 either. It's not terribad like the h100i was but still with its new gt and gtx versions out, clearly there is/was massive room for improvement.

 

Unfortunately this compilation doesn't have the h100i gtx or h110i gtx (yes that exists now), but it does show some really important to note per fan speed details (and in case you don't think that is fair, there is a per fan speed noise profile so you can back track with noise as well.

 

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/68903-enermax-liqtech-120x-240hp-coolers-review-6.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/68903-enermax-liqtech-120x-240hp-coolers-review-8.html

 

I would be interested to get my hands on an s36 but they don't seem to be sold in the US.

 

Anyways. It's odd that OC3D is the only one that actually had it beating real 280s (again though none of these reviews take into account standardizing fans which is stupid because they should. Results are meaning-less with stock fans considering how loud and bad they tend to be.)

[Metro]

No idea. I only have 8 fans on my case and only one is a 4 way pwm splitter.

 

I will be air cooling a Corsair 900D so I need a lot of fans