AMD vs Intel

[DONCraven]

Lately i have seen, so to say, an intel fanboyism as anywhere where i ask some help for amd almost all the answers are just go intel.

Is amd really sucking reacently or all amd and equal thinkers of both cpus are just gone?

[MattTheMayor]

Lately i have seen, so to say, an intel fanboyism as anywhere where i ask some help for amd almost all the answers are just go intel.

Is amd really sucking reacently or all amd and equal thinkers of both cpus are just gone?

there is no "recently" their cpus are 3 years old.

 

also intel has stronger cores = better single core performance = better for gaming.

[Comessy]

AMD hasn't done anything big with their CPUs in 5+ years, they are basically out of the game until Zen.

[Enderman]

they havent released any competitive enthusiast CPUs for years

 

their only CPU products worth the money are the APUs for people who dont want to use a dedicated graphics card

[DONCraven]

there is no "recently" their cpus are 3 years old.

 

also intel has stronger cores = better single core performance = better for gaming.

 

 

AMD hasn't done anything big with their CPUs in 5+ years, they are basically out of the game until Zen.

 

 

they havent released any competitive enthusiast CPUs for years

 

their only CPU products worth the money are the APUs for people who dont want to use a dedicated graphics card

Wow guess i havent been in this for a very long time well i guess its settled then:)

[Mattr567]

Intel until Summit Ridge, then we will see whats what.

 

Owns FX CPU

got it on super sale at least

[Guest trucker2]

there is a great article here that you may wish to read. Intel has faster cores but AMD has more. DX 11 only allows one core at a time to communicate with the gpu and dx12 changes that.

Also AMD owns the console market. Having consoles switch to the x86 platform simplifies developement so games will no longer be single threaded. For example the jaguar cpu on the ps4 is 8 core at 1.7 mgz so expect games to be written for 8 weak cores as opposed to a few strong cores. It has alrady started and there are some tek syndicate videos that show an amd 8350 beating an i5 in many games. If you go intel I would go with a xeon 1231 since it has 8 threads as opposed to the i5's 4 threads. Whoever owns the console market owns the future of gaming. Even on todays single threaded games amd is on to 5 fps behind intel at most and when you factor in the MASSIVE price difference that can be applied to a better gpu amd is the best choice on low to medium budget builds. High budget goes to xeon and the i5 and i3's are a waste of money IMHO. To few threads and allot of money for on board graphics since they are basically a business cpu.

Here are the links:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

[shredderman]

It all now comes down to how well Zen goes. If it fails, all the credibility goes out the window. 

On the plus side and knowing both Samsung and Global Foundries should give AMD the push to get things right this time.

You all have to remember that it all comes down to them both competing, otherwise everything will be a monopoly and Intel will overprice EVERYTHING. So it's not good to say "But Intel is better? Go home fanboy." That doesn't help in the long run.

Think of the cost of the implications at stake here. Sure, you might not like AMD, but without them and at the end of the day they at least keep prices down for both of the companies. Competition is what's important. Look at both AMD and Nvidia, they might not be competing at levels in which we want, but they're competing at a level in which we're seeing improvements across the board. This sort of low blow killing spree hatred is just not a good thing in general.

AMD have always had less money than Intel, they can't just make something overnight and that is why they can't compete as well against Intel.

That's the big picture here. We need competition, we need innovation and better future developments in the technology of IT. This comes at a price.

In more simple terms: Competition good! Monopoly Bad!




I have High hopes Zen will deliver. They're now going to use SMT which Intel uses, DDR4. PCI-E 3 and all the other bells and whistles... You get my point.

@ While you do bring up a good point, all of those videos are outdated. It's been 3 years since AMDs last "High End" SKUs. It's time they upgraded.

[harrynowl]

@ I believe the consoles both have only 6 of the 8 cores available to the actual game, the other two are reserved for the OS/features. 

 

And the Tek Syndicate videos are done with a 7870 and 670... neither are really representative of a modern high end GPU (so 970 and R9 390), I bet you will see more of a difference with better cards.

[Guest trucker2]

@ While you do bring up a good point, all of those videos are outdated. It's been 3 years since AMDs last "High End" SKUs. It's time they upgraded.

Game developement moves at a glacial pace. GTA IV took 4 years to make

http://www.quora.com/How-long-does-it-take-to-make-a-game-like-GTA

All software development moves slowly. Add to that the sheer size of some of these software gients like Microsoft and its no wonder DX11 was written for single core cpu's.

The games being developed since the one article are probably halfway done. Also the article applies to intel as well. I would choose a Xeon 1231 v3 over an i5 since the threads are doubled and the price is similar

    I suspect this might be why the steamroller cpu was killed. Vishera is scalable and AMD can increase the core count easily. While Zen is going for a 40 % increase in IPC I hope it is as scalable as Vishera also.

   As for right now with the price difference between the two and the fact that there is a huge number of 1080 and even 720 monitors out there I feel AMD is still the best budget option in low cost builds. Frankly I am excited to see how these FX cpus run on DX12 even before Zen.

[Nena Trinity]

AMD works but Intel has more market so most game devs just make their games best for Intel.

 

2-4 cores is more common and some devs only uses 1-core which means bad for AMD CPU with poor per-core power...

 

But even the worst games I get 30-45 FPS so I wont say it is the worst thing ever (Saints Row games, Planetside 2 & World of Tanks are great examples of not to good optimized games Saints Row games is worst, World of Tanks is at 45 and well Planetside 2 well 30 in heavy battle 45 in medium and 60 in barely any to none.)

 

Intel until Summit Ridge, then we will see whats what.

 

Owns FX CPU

got it on super sale at least

Yup FX is great also I got mine cheap to!

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Whoever owns the console market owns the future of gaming. Even on todays single threaded games amd is on to 5 fps behind intel at most

Dude, really, just stop. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING you've just said had been disproven over a dozen times. The Tek Syndicate source was debunked, "Whoever owns consoles" does not own the gaming market, period. And when paired with any graphics card above a 280x, any and all AMD processors bottleneck those cards horrendously.

You need to stop posting false information. You do not contribute, only mislead the uninformed, and frankly I and many others are sick of your lies.

@Faceman

@i_build_nanosuits

[runit3]

Can we please get a mod filter on this forum to exclude any titles with "Intel vs. AMD", in any permutation.

 

I'm all for direct CPU : CPU comparisons, but this trash pops up everyday and is inevitably locked by the end of the day :mellow:

[Faceman]

Dude, really, just stop. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING you've just said had been disproven over a dozen times. The Tek Syndicate source was debunked, "Whoever owns consoles" does not own the gaming market, period. And when paired with any graphics card above a 280x, any and all AMD processors bottleneck those cards horrendously.

You need to stop posting false information. You do not contribute, only mislead the uninformed, and frankly I and many others are sick of your lies.

@Faceman

@i_build_nanosuits

Just report.  No sense arguing with him.  I have had a lot of his posts successfully removed because he is just talking complete nonsense and the moderators must agree because they have been removing his posts.

[shirokado]

@ I believe the consoles both have only 6 of the 8 cores available to the actual game, the other two are reserved for the OS/features. 

 

And the Tek Syndicate videos are done with a 7870 and 670... neither are really representative of a modern high end GPU (so 970 and R9 390), I bet you will see more of a difference with better cards.

970 and r9 390 are not high end GPUS. There aren't multiple ends in a line, there is 1 high end, and 1 low end.

[harrynowl]

970 and r9 390 are not high end GPUS. There aren't multiple ends in a line, there is 1 high end, and 1 low end.

If you're really going to get into unnecessary and irrelevant pedantic discussions...

 

It's at the high end of the GPU lineup, just like you'd say high frequency even if it isn't the highest frequency.

 

I said high end not highest end, I didn't use a superlative.

[airdeano]

This thread will only start (yet another) endless mud-slinging match of

argumentative trolling and flaming. Thus, this thread is locked.

There are plenty of threads like this on the forum already if you want to read the answers.