NVidia vs AMD (WAR)

[Alir]

Go with the 390. It has better performance compared to the 970 despite being a refreshed Hawaii GPU. It has 8gb of VRAM compared to..well the 970s 3.5gbs of fast and .5 gb of slow bullcrap.

yeah the whole .5gb issue really puts me off getting the 970

 

Mantle is dead and Nvidia stuff barely is worth it unless you MOST have perfection.

 

Yet AMD still gives much better bang for buck on they GPUs over Nvidia...

 

And well Nvidia have also had the 3.5 GDDR5 + 0.5 DDR3 when it clearly is marked 4GB of GDDR5 and well they screwed up by promoting Batman...

 

How is mantle dead? Don't AMD still support it?

 

AMD is for *extremely rich people

 

 

how about *yes

 

 

Lets not also forget about limitations of 3.5 GB.

 

 

- How is mantle dead, guys?

[Whorax]

yeah the whole .5gb issue really puts me off getting the 970

 

 

How is mantle dead? Don't AMD still support it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- How is mantle dead, guys?

I don't understand why you quoted numerous people and you changed what some people said to something exactly opposite.

 

What's your point here?

[Doughnutnator]

... And when before this post was SLI/ CF mentioned?

I can't even find any 390 CF vs 970 SLI benchmarks to begin with...

Dis.

Basically compare heavily overclocked 290?, it's really the same.

People are praising the new 300 series line up, and jumping in the #390Kils970 bandwagon so early.

It's the freaking same, clock per clock

Just way more power hungry, overvolted and with lots of VRAM you're not going to use.

In that case, let's be fair and overclock the 970 to 1500Mhz and BOOM, things change.

Does 390-970 SLI even makes sense? There's high end single GPU alternatives, like the 980Ti, that will perform almost the same, without all the issues Multi-GPU brings.

Also, afaik you need a super beefy PSU to support Hawaii Crossfire, to get a 295x2 (2x 290X) running you need a superb 1000w PSU, I guess that it's almost the same for the 390-390X, considering how overvolted they are

[Sam Z Man]

Dis.

Basically compare heavily overclocked 290?, it's really the same.

People are praising the new 300 series line up, and jumping in the #390Kils970 bandwagon so early.

It's the freaking same, clock per clock

Just way more power hungry, overvolted and with lots of VRAM you're not going to use.

In that case, let's be fair and overclock the 970 to 1500Mhz and BOOM, things change.

Does 390-970 SLI even makes sense? There's high end single GPU alternatives, like the 980Ti, that will perform almost the same, without all the issues Multi-GPU brings.

Also, afaik you need a super beefy PSU to support Hawaii Crossfire, to get a 295x2 (2x 290X) running you need a superb 1000w PSU, I guess that it's almost the same for the 390-390X, considering how overvolted they are

The 390 has a ton more overclocking headroom then the 290 and has been boosted by 20% on memory clockspeed, the fact that power delivery has been refined has all added up to the new 390 kicking more ass then the old 290x could witch has a better GPU core.

We are not jumping on a bandwagon, we are listening to facts.

[arniks8]

Dis.

Basically compare heavily overclocked 290?, it's really the same.

People are praising the new 300 series line up, and jumping in the #390Kils970 bandwagon so early.

It's the freaking same, clock per clock

Just way more power hungry, overvolted and with lots of VRAM you're not going to use.

In that case, let's be fair and overclock the 970 to 1500Mhz and BOOM, things change.

Does 390-970 SLI even makes sense? There's high end single GPU alternatives, like the 980Ti, that will perform almost the same, without all the issues Multi-GPU brings.

Also, afaik you need a super beefy PSU to support Hawaii Crossfire, to get a 295x2 (2x 290X) running you need a superb 1000w PSU, I guess that it's almost the same for the 390-390X, considering how overvolted they are

^ this.

[Nena Trinity]

yeah the whole .5gb issue really puts me off getting the 970

 

 

How is mantle dead? Don't AMD still support it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- How is mantle dead, guys?

Yeah kinda, they just do not make it anymore because they made DX12 into Mantle 2.0.

[Doughnutnator]

The 390 has a ton more overclocking headroom then the 290 and has been boosted by 20% on memory clockspeed, the fact that power delivery has been refined has all added up to the new 390 kicking more ass then the old 290x could witch has a better GPU core.

We are not jumping on a bandwagon, we are listening to facts.

The GPU core is the same ._. What do you mean?

Searching some reviews I don't see the big overclocking headroom you mentioned. The biggest OC I have seen is the JayZ one, reaching 1200Mhz, but even he said that it's insanely high, it's almost a golden sample.

390 PCS+ 1116Mhz Core

390 PCS+ 1160Mhz Core

What is true is the memory, they stopped using crappy chips and now they use not-so-crappy chips that run at 6Ghz.

Besides that it's the same, a 290 overclocked, offering the same performance, at much higher volts and really, really high power consumption.

It's like if I say:

- Overvolt a 970, overclock it to 1600+Mhz and 8Ghz memory and BANG, you get stock 980 performance, suck that 980 owners!

Yeah, but no, you can also OC the 980.

When the 970 launched it was above the 290 and kinda tied with the 290X, results were even better with overclocks, thanks to Maxwell OC headroom.

Anyways it makes more sense to pick the 390 if it's cheaper than a 970, but you must have a very good PSU

(Searching for a 390 chart)

[Alir]

I don't understand why you quoted numerous people and you changed what some people said to something exactly opposite.

 

What's your point here?

The changing what they said was just as a joke.

 

The GPU core is the same ._. What do you mean?

Searching some reviews I don't see the big overclocking headroom you mentioned. The biggest OC I have seen is the JayZ one, reaching 1200Mhz, but even he said that it's insanely high, it's almost a golden sample.

390 PCS+ 1116Mhz Core

390 PCS+ 1160Mhz Core

What is true is the memory, they stopped using crappy chips and now they use not-so-crappy chips that run at 6Ghz.

Besides that it's the same, a 290 overclocked, offering the same performance, at much higher volts and really, really high power consumption.

It's like if I say:

- Overvolt a 970, overclock it to 1600+Mhz and 8Ghz memory and BANG, you get stock 980 performance, suck that 980 owners!

Yeah, but no, you can also OC the 980.

When the 970 launched it was above the 290 and kinda tied with the 290X, results were even better with overclocks, thanks to Maxwell OC headroom.

Anyways it makes more sense to pick the 390 if it's cheaper than a 970, but you must have a very good PSU

(Searching for a 390 chart)

 

huh? Is that the power consumption of the whole system or just the GPU? I found another chart which said the power consumption of a *390 was like 340W

[Sam Z Man]

The GPU core is the same ._. What do you mean?

Searching some reviews I don't see the big overclocking headroom you mentioned. The biggest OC I have seen is the JayZ one, reaching 1200Mhz, but even he said that it's insanely high, it's almost a golden sample.

390 PCS+ 1116Mhz Core

390 PCS+ 1160Mhz Core

What is true is the memory, they stopped using crappy chips and now they use not-so-crappy chips that run at 6Ghz.

Besides that it's the same, a 290 overclocked, offering the same performance, at much higher volts and really, really high power consumption.

It's like if I say:

- Overvolt a 970, overclock it to 1600+Mhz and 8Ghz memory and BANG, you get stock 980 performance, suck that 980 owners!

Yeah, but no, you can also OC the 980.

When the 970 launched it was above the 290 and kinda tied with the 290X, results were even better with overclocks, thanks to Maxwell OC headroom.

Anyways it makes more sense to pick the 390 if it's cheaper than a 970, but you must have a very good PSU

(Searching for a 390 chart)

So your saying overclocking a 390 is unfeasible, but somehow with a 970 you are guaranteed a overclock of over 1600 mhz WTF?

[Doughnutnator]

So your saying overclocking a 390 is unfeasible, but somehow with a 970 you are guaranteed a overclock of over 1600 mhz WTF?

Not at all.

I'm saying that they're comparing heavily overclocked and overvolted 390's, in that case overvolt and overclock a 970 and you can achieve 1500-1550+ Mhz on the core, 1600Mhz would be a golden sample, very good chip, like the JayZ 1200Mhz 390

[Doughnutnator]

The changing what they said was just as a joke.

huh? Is that the power consumption of the whole system or just the GPU? I found another chart which said the power consumption of a *390 was like 340W

I don't find a graph like that one, it's the card power consumption and it's the maximun peak the card will ever reach, but it's useful so you know how much watts your PSU really needs.

And acording to them, it's GPU only. Kinda high...

[Aphala]

... And when before this post was SLI/ CF mentioned?

I can't even find any 390 CF vs  970 SLI benchmarks to begin with...

Just before anyone interjects with CF v SLI.

[othertomperson]

Get a 390 it ties or beats a 970 at 1080p, but when you make the jump to 1440p or 4K it stretches is legs and destroys the 970.

 

This analysis is thrown repeated lot and the more I think about it, the more baffling it is. At 1080p you are nearly always CPU bound with either of these GPUs. The 290 has always been a good 1440p card, as is the 970.

 

As for the 970's performance at 4K, that's more of a statement about Nvidia's confusing decision to set the stock speed at around 1200 MHz, when nearly every unit can easily reach 1500 MHz. I can't help but think it was done to push, not only energy efficiency and heat numbers down, but also advertise mobile GPUs. "GTX 980m is nearly as good as a desktop 970" isn't a claim they could make if the 970 were clocked how it should have been. As for the 390's 4K performance, that's what a more rigorous binning process and an aggressive overclock will get you.

 

It's moot now, though -- no one should be buying either of these for 4K now the 980 Ti and Fury X exist.

[Oskar94a]

that clickbait tittle

[Alir]

that clickbait tittle

haha

[Alir]

This analysis is thrown repeated lot and the more I think about it, the more baffling it is. At 1080p you are nearly always CPU bound with either of these GPUs. The 290 has always been a good 1440p card, as is the 970.

 

As for the 970's performance at 4K, that's more of a statement about Nvidia's confusing decision to set the stock speed at around 1200 MHz, when nearly every unit can easily reach 1500 MHz. I can't help but think it was done to push, not only energy efficiency and heat numbers down, but also advertise mobile GPUs. "GTX 980m is nearly as good as a desktop 970" isn't a claim they could make if the 970 were clocked how it should have been. As for the 390's 4K performance, that's what a more rigorous binning process and an aggressive overclock will get you.

 

It's moot now, though -- no one should be buying either of these for 4K now the 980 Ti and Fury X exist.

 

Thing is though 980 Ti and Fury X are ridiculously expensive, at least for me or other mainstream gamers.

 

Currently, I will only be gaming at 1080p.

 

At some point down the line I will upgrade to 4k or 3 monitors + eyefinity, if I feel the investment is worth it.

 

In a way, even the 390 is overkill but it is still the most wise choice imo, considering price to performance.

[Alir]

Besides, wouldn't a crossfire of 2 390s be better than 1 Fury X?

And it would save you a bit of money as well!

[othertomperson]

Thing is though 980 Ti and Fury X are ridiculously expensive, at least for me or other mainstream gamers.

 

Currently, I will only be gaming at 1080p.

 

At some point down the line I will upgrade to 4k or 3 monitors + eyefinity, if I feel the investment is worth it.

 

In a way, even the 390 is overkill but it is still the most wise choice imo, considering price to performance.

 

Well you could go 970 or 390 with the intention of SLI/CF at a later date when you want to go 4K. Bearing in mind that by then Nvidia and AMD will probably both have newer, better cards I wouldn't suggest planning for this.

[Alir]

Well you could go 970 or 390 with the intention of SLI/CF at a later date when you want to go 4K. Bearing in mind that by then Nvidia and AMD will probably both have newer, better cards I wouldn't suggest planning for this.

 

But by that point wouldn't the 390 become cheaper?

 

I mean it wouldn't exactly become redundant would it?

 

By later, I mean in 1-2 years. Though that is still a maybe. The 390 would serve its purpose until then. I want a card that can smash everything at 1080p for now and still have potential to run games at higher resolutions.

[othertomperson]

But by that point wouldn't the 390 become cheaper?

 

I mean it wouldn't exactly become redundant would it?

 

By later, I mean in 1-2 years. Though that is still a maybe. The 390 would serve its purpose until then. I want a card that can smash everything at 1080p for now and still have potential to run games at higher resolutions.

 

If was feeling a dick I would say it would be $150 more expensive and called the 490

 

But no, 390 and 970, when doubled up, are both very competent at 4K, but I think you would benefit more from selling it at that point and just buying a new card. Right now dual 970s match one 980 Ti, the equivalent to a 980 Ti next generation will do better.

[Alir]

If was feeling a dick I would say it would be $150 more expensive and called the 490

 

haha wp

[Hieb]

It generally depends on the specific card you look at. If you mean overall features, then you're really only comparing drivers and software.

 

I have a rather limited experience so take this with a grain of salt, but I've witnessed and experienced more major issues with Nvidia drivers than with AMD drivers. Both myself and my neighbour use Nvidia GPUs, and we have had tons of issues. I've had the drivers corrupt my Windows registry requiring a full reinstall, my neighbour and I have both had tons of crashing issues. My buddy with an AMD card (R9 270 to be exact) had to reinstall the drivers once because of poor performance/stuttering, but it was a simple process and no surprises. Reinstalled the drivers and performance was back to normal. He doesn't have any crashing issues or anything.

 

But then on the flipside, Nvidia's drivers are more efficient in DirectX 11 and don't use as much CPU power. So for example if you matched equal high-end GPUs from Nvidia and AMD with a low-end CPU such as an Athlon 860K, you would get much better performance from the Nvidia GPU.

 

Now when it comes to features, they both offer most of the same stuff. Shadowplay and Raptr App... they're both super lightweight, offer decent quality recordings with small file sizes (to be honest the footage I've seen from AMD's Raptr apps appears to have better image quality than that from Shadowplay), and they both have less features than more advanced softwares like Dxtory, D3DGear, etc.

 

Now between the cards you picked specifically, performance wise the R9 290 is the worst, followed by the R9 290X and GTX 970 performing about the same, with the R9 390 performing the best out of the bunch. Now the GTX 970 will consume about 75 watts less power than the R9 cards you listed under load, so it will produce a lot less heat. So for the best performing out of all of those, pick the R9 390. But if you maybe have poor airflow in your room or live somewhere really hot, you may rather go for the GTX 970... you'll sacrifice maybe ~5-10% performance but reduce the heat output of your computer significantly.

[tomas710]

Stupid title...here's an alternative: INCENDIARY SHIT THAT IN NO WAY WILL HELP ANYONE PURCHASE A GPU SINCE THE SIMPLE FACT OF PICKING BY BRANDS MEANS YOU ARE BIASED AND YOU CAN EAT A DICK.

 

Nvidia and AMD GPUs comparison would have been fine too, i like the first one better tho.

[Alir]

Stupid title...here's an alternative: INCENDIARY SHIT THAT IN NO WAY WILL HELP ANYONE PURCHASE A GPU SINCE THE SIMPLE FACT OF PICKING BY BRANDS MEANS YOU ARE BIASED AND YOU CAN EAT A DICK.

 

Nvidia and AMD GPUs comparison would have been fine too, i like the first one better tho.

 

Hmm. Well I do strive to be an intelligent person who eats an apple or orange based on its nutritional content and not based on its size or price.

GPUs work the same. You pick a brand based on what features they offer.

For example, someone who wants to stream games to his Shield wouldn't be shopping around for AMD cards.

 

And the title was NOT STUPID!

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[IateMApoo]

yeah the whole .5gb issue really puts me off getting the 970

 

 

How is mantle dead? Don't AMD still support it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- How is mantle dead, guys?

Mantle isnt dead kiddo, its just called Vulkan now.