Will AMD survive ?

[whitedragon101]

AMD have been struggling for many years with being purely outgunned by Intel in the CPU market.  But I always thought they gave tit for tat in the GPU market.  However, it seems the numbers are not great.  After Maxwell came out AMD took another hit on the graphics front with a big drop in market share.  When you look at the massive R&D spending of nVidia and the 24% all time low market share of AMD (and they are loosing money) with nVidia at 76%, can AMD survive this?

 

If the present is a low market share and the future is the competition spending massively more on R&D then it doesn't look good.  AMD going down would be very bad for the consumer.

 

I am in the market for a GPU this year and my biggest concern with AMD is if I bought an AMD GPU will they be around to support it for the years to come, and if they are will they have the cash to do it well?

 

 

 

[manikyath]

i'm pretty sure if the 3xx series is as big as they promise, they'll be back in no time.

 

i'm pretty sure the recent extreme numbers are due to some extreme success stories from nVidia (750ti, 970 etc)

[niqxsh]

I hope so, we want to avoid a full monopoly of Intel and nVidia for the sake of the PC platform.

[ManIkWeet]

Probably not: AMD has a lot more potential to grow than Intel/NVIDIA, meaning AMD is more interesting to investors...

 

Plus: if Intel/NVIDIA are alone they'll have to deal with governments complaining about their monopoly.

[mantylt]

They will. Nvidia itself won't let AMD to burn, because staying as the only player in market would bring much more damage to Nvidia in long term.

[Johannes_Lazor]

AMD Will come back, They are still the second biggest GPU/CPU manufacturer so yea..

[Tedster]

I really hope they'll come back.

 

It'd be great to see Zen beating out Intel's chips but I'm not sure it'll happen that nicely.

[sgtcool]

i hope it survives

you know if amd is gone than intel and nvidia will be the only CPU/GPU makers, that means they could increase their prices to whatever they like

[johnnysasaki]

i hope it survives

you know if amd is gone than intel and nvidia will be the only CPU/GPU makers, that means they could increase their prices to whatever they like

Not only that. They will also slow down technological progress. We already have a taste of that with Nvidia's current GPU lineup. There's a small number of people actually considering AMD as opposed to Nvidia as a GPU choice at the moment (share numbers only prove that), so the green team with flying colors got away with 970 memory fiasco, overpriced 980 (small performance bump compared to 780ti) and insanely overpriced titan x.

I also don't see how a single new gpu (700$ or so) r9 390 will be able to pull out AMD out of this crap hole. That's assuming the rumors are true and most of the new lineup will be a refresh.

[Tass]

the question is not if they will servive, but WHO will buy them and keep them allive.....

[Recon97]

Let's hope AMD fails.

[gilang01]

if AMD falls, Intel and Nvidia will fall with it too. both companies will be forced to split by the US government to prevent monopoly.

[Un4tural]

i'm seriously sad amd is so behind a the moment, cpu market wise... it's not really worth getting at all, not even for budget builds. they just keep releasing same chips with slight speed bumps... i want them to release some awesome new chips to compete with intel, but they're just beating a dead horse to the ground and all the way to china by the looks of it.

 

the 3xx high end seems to be amazing if rumors are true, hope they do well with those, innovation and all that, i do want affordable 4k. also amd seem to not be tight arsed about gpu ram, unlike nvidia trying to avoid giving more ram/memory width in any clever way they can come up with. 

 

and i do quite like amd graphics approach, the sort of brute force raw performance pedal to the metal, but it is getting old with the 2xx series now and super hot not that efficient chips do feel a lot less attractive. good bang for the buck though, sadly they don't seem to make much money off them...

[whitedragon101]

the question is not if they will servive, but WHO will buy them and keep them allive.....

 

It could be cool if someone like Google bought them and filled their R&D coffers

 

if AMD falls, Intel and Nvidia will fall with it too. both companies will be forced to split by the US government to prevent monopoly.

 

I did wonder about that.  What happens when only on company is left standing.  Do the government step in?

[XiaoPineApple]

Is like the wanshow said.

amd wont go away,

no new company will rise. Why because all those driver work amd have for so long. Even intel cant get In here.

Nvidia will just wait for amd to catch up before releasing anything better than what currently have.

[Whorax]

Yes, they will.

I'm nearly certain we had a thread almost exactly like this a day or two ago.

[swifty7]

Maybe after all AMD should let Samsung to buy them outl.  The influx of money will help them immensely.

[CoolaxGaming]

Why is this in graphic cards?

[Texhnlyze]

Not only that. They will also slow down technological progress. We already have a taste of that with Nvidia's current GPU lineup. There's a small number of people actually considering AMD as opposed to Nvidia as a GPU choice at the moment (share numbers only prove that), so the green team with flying colors got away with 970 memory fiasco, overpriced 980 (small performance bump compared to 780ti) and insanely overpriced titan x.

I also don't see how a single new gpu (700$ or so) r9 390 will be able to pull out AMD out of this crap hole. That's assuming the rumors are true and most of the new lineup will be a refresh.

 

The whole point of the 900 series was to fill the gap between Maxwell and Pascal as well as to show the true ability of the architecture which is achieving high horsepower while producing less power consumption as well as heat. Going back to my point about filling the gap, they want (I think) pascal to be named the 1000 series hence why there was no 800 series (desktop) and they instead created 900. Because jumping once would make sense than jumping twice.

 

As for their 970, it was really stupid that they didn't explained the whole 4gb fiasco. Jensen knew about it but didn't bother talking about it because he thought he could get away with it just like double chip cards that are advertised with 8gb vram when truly, they only can use 4gb. But 970 is still beast of a card that can be OC'ed and become just like a stock 980. I would disagree about the titan x being insanely overpriced because of the fact that it performs as if it contains 2 chips in it while consuming far less power than the 295x2. Let's not forget, in 4k res it doesn't or rarely stutters due to the 12gb vram. If you're talking about overpricing, it would be the Titan Z. :wacko:  

 

 

As for the topic, AMD will make its comeback with Zen and the 300 series but it will be not enough to prevent their quarterly loss. Let's not forget, Intel won't go down w/o competition as well as Nvidia. People preferred Nvidia because they were worried about not having good drivers with AMD and they still are as of today. I would say nothing bad about their drivers since I don't have an AMD GPU but from what I've seen, they really need to step up their game when it comes to drivers. Nvidia had been updating their drivers when a major game comes up. Not saying that it's a good thing but every system runs different. Some will be stable with the drivers, some will not. As an Nvidia gpu owner, I rarely experience any crashes and my card is heavily OCed.