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that's super unspecific.

 

what kind of gaming? LoL? WoW? farcry4?

what kind of monitor? 1080p? 1440p? 4k?

what kind of OS? win7? linux?

what kind of peripherals? BS $10 keyboard and mouse combo?

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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Yes of course! Someone will part picker you a build if you wait a bit! 

'FrostNova' - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Samsterstorm/saved/WtBWGX :

CPU: Intel 4790k | MB: Asrock Z97 Extreme6 | GPU: Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming (+200, +250) | CASE: NZXT H440 (Black & Blue) | COOLER: Full EK 240mm CPU Loop | RAM: 16GB Hyper-X Fury (4x4GB @2133mhz) | STORAGE: Seagate Barracuda 1TB & Hyperx 120gb SSD | PSU: Corsair RM650 | SCREEN: Benq G2750 | LIGHTING: Deepcool RGB LED Kit | KEYBOARD: CM Devastator | MOUSE: Logitech G502 | HEADSET: Hyperx Clouds White 

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Believe it or not, yes it is possible, but you're going to get something...not worth your money.

 

With this build, it'll work good for the money, but there's no OS. You can throw in Windows but then you get a horrible graphics card. I recommend using Linux because it is free and a lot of popular games are supported, or saving up more for a larger budget to get more for your money if that is possible.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($84.00 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-E Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($67.57 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($192.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($62.99 @ NCIX)
Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Keyboard: Microsoft Wired Desktop 400 for Business Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($11.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $698.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Believe it or not, yes it is possible, but you're going to get something...not worth your money.

 

With this build, it'll work good for the money, but there's no OS. You can throw in Windows but then you get a horrible graphics card. I recommend using Linux because it is free and a lot of popular games are supported, or saving up more for a larger budget to get more for your money if that is possible.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($84.00 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: Asus H81M-E Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.50 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($67.57 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Vuugo)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($192.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($62.99 @ NCIX)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Microsoft Wired Desktop 400 for Business Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($11.99 @ NCIX)

Total: $698.48

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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+1 to that! Told ya someone would part picker you a nice build! 

'FrostNova' - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Samsterstorm/saved/WtBWGX :

CPU: Intel 4790k | MB: Asrock Z97 Extreme6 | GPU: Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming (+200, +250) | CASE: NZXT H440 (Black & Blue) | COOLER: Full EK 240mm CPU Loop | RAM: 16GB Hyper-X Fury (4x4GB @2133mhz) | STORAGE: Seagate Barracuda 1TB & Hyperx 120gb SSD | PSU: Corsair RM650 | SCREEN: Benq G2750 | LIGHTING: Deepcool RGB LED Kit | KEYBOARD: CM Devastator | MOUSE: Logitech G502 | HEADSET: Hyperx Clouds White 

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+1 to that! Told ya someone would part picker you a nice build! 

I should add, immediate upgrades for that build when possible are:

  • CPU Cooler to overclock the G3258 even more for better performance
  • SSD
  • Better mouse and keyboard, in whichever order is more preferable

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Believe it or not, yes it is possible, but you're going to get something...not worth your money.

 

With this build, it'll work good for the money, but there's no OS. You can throw in Windows but then you get a horrible graphics card. I recommend using Linux because it is free and a lot of popular games are supported, or saving up more for a larger budget to get more for your money if that is possible.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($84.00 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: Asus H81M-E Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.50 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($67.57 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Vuugo)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($192.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($62.99 @ NCIX)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Microsoft Wired Desktop 400 for Business Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($11.99 @ NCIX)

Total: $698.48

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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If he is gonna go Linux, its vital that he gets Nvidia gpu. Radeon is so bad...

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If he is gonna go Linux, its vital that he gets Nvidia gpu. Radeon is so bad...

Hmm, I've always had the experience that up until recently Radeon drivers were far superior to Nvidia drivers when it came to Linux? Has something changed?

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I want windows :(

You need more money then because you will just waste money unless you get more for windows.

Old Build 5/2018-12/2023 - https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kdmb1331/saved/9gFcf7

New Build 12/2023-? - https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kdmb1331/saved/XTY2kL

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I want windows :(

@getrekt you didn't specify anything in the OP, you know you can edit that right?

 

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We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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This is what I came up with (it's shit I know but it will run better than my old laptop which lags with even tf2 :/

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.95 @ shopRBC)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.05 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.57 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 250 1GB Eyefinity Edition Video Card ($106.00 @ Amazon Canada)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($40.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.47 @ DirectCanada)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($107.92 @ shopRBC)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($11.99 @ DirectCanada)

Total: $701.90

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Don't h8 people please I need something that works

My old laptop crashes on tf2 and lags like hell

It can't run cs1.6 properly! Games like bf4 don't even start (of course)

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That was the best I was able to make

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($129.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI CSM-H81M-P32 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($65.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($169.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.95 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ Memory Express)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($114.99 @ Canada Computers)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($35.05 @ Vuugo)
Total: $729.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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This is what I came up with (it's shit I know but it will run better than my old laptop which lags with even tf2 :/

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.95 @ shopRBC)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.05 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.57 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 250 1GB Eyefinity Edition Video Card ($106.00 @ Amazon Canada)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($40.99 @ Memory Express)

Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.47 @ DirectCanada)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($107.92 @ shopRBC)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($11.99 @ DirectCanada)

Total: $701.90

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Don't get that one please

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That was the best I was able to make

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX)

Motherboard: MSI CSM-H81M-P32 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Memory Express)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($65.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.95 @ Vuugo)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($169.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.95 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Memory Express)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($114.99 @ Canada Computers)

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($35.05 @ Vuugo)

Total: $729.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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The only problem is that it does not have a monitor

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What would you recommend (need monitor too)

Can you afford to pay 60 more dollars, the performance gain is huge with those extra dollars

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Okay then 800$ MAX! But with the aforementioned constraints

CAD NOT USD

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($84.00 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($61.50 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($65.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.95 @ Vuugo)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($169.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.95 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply  ($31.69 @ DirectCanada)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($114.99 @ Canada Computers)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($35.05 @ Vuugo)

Speakers: Logitech S120 2.3W 2ch Speakers  ($17.00 @ shopRBC)

Total: $799.09

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($84.00 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.50 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($65.98 @ Newegg Canada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.95 @ Vuugo)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($169.99 @ Memory Express)

Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.95 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply ($31.69 @ DirectCanada)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($114.99 @ Canada Computers)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($35.05 @ Vuugo)

Speakers: Logitech S120 2.3W 2ch Speakers ($17.00 @ shopRBC)

Total: $799.09

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-10 08:42 EDT-0400

Thanks a lot! This build is a lot better!

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Hmm, I've always had the experience that up until recently Radeon drivers were far superior to Nvidia drivers when it came to Linux? Has something changed?

Radeon Open Source drivers yes, not the proprietary drivers which he would be using if he wants any sort of acceptable frame rates. With the proprietary GTX 960 destroys r9 290 so yeah...:(((

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($84.00 @ DirectCanada) 
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($98.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($70.65 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($259.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($50.29 @ NCIX) 
Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor  ($109.99 @ NCIX) 
Total: $813.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-10 13:46 EDT-0400
 
There ya go. A little bit overbudget, but totally worth!! ^_^
I also suggest you buy windows from http://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/

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This will give you a bit more performance than all the other builds previously listed

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/NPqLnQ

Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/NPqLnQ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($138.98 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($50.50 @ Vuugo)

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.53 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($159.99 @ NCIX)

Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.75 @ Vuugo)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.50 @ Vuugo)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($107.92 @ shopRBC)

Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($109.99 @ NCIX)

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($35.05 @ Vuugo)

Total: $826.19

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-10 16:59 EDT-0400

Old Build 5/2018-12/2023 - https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kdmb1331/saved/9gFcf7

New Build 12/2023-? - https://pcpartpicker.com/user/kdmb1331/saved/XTY2kL

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