Advice needed?

[XPGHawk]

I do a lot of 3D design and rendering with AutoCad, Maya and 3ds Max. I was wondering what gpus would you suggest for those programs to reduce my rendering times. I don;t have any preference towards the card being NVidia or Amd also whether it being a GTX/R series or Firepro/Quadro series. I am not opposed to multi gpu setups, but rather if it helps reduce render times enough, I'm all for it. Main focus of my pc is for 3D design/rendering, so no gaming is done on this rig. My budget is really unknown, sorry. I do have a fair amount of money that I have been saving just for this purpose. Ball park would be a couple to few thousand.

 

Specs of the rig currently:

Cpu:i7 5960x

Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 32GB

Mobo: Asrock X99 WS-E/10G

Gpu: Just a gtx 970 from my gaming rig for the time being (hoping you guys will help me on this front)

Psu: Evga SuperNova 1600 P2 (got it for a good price and couldn't pass)

 

If you need more info, please ask away. Thank you immensely.

[LegacyStijncat]

Can't help you @XPGHawk, but I'll be following this topic as it seems interesting. Remember to follow it yourself!

[Sir Asvald]

I do a lot of 3D design and rendering with AutoCad, Maya and 3ds Max. I was wondering what gpus would you suggest for those programs to reduce my rendering times. I don;t have any preference towards the card being NVidia or Amd also whether it being a GTX/R series or Firepro/Quadro series. I am not opposed to multi gpu setups, but rather if it helps reduce render times enough, I'm all for it. Main focus of my pc is for 3D design/rendering, so no gaming is done on this rig. My budget is really unknown, sorry. I do have a fair amount of money that I have been saving just for this purpose. Ball park would be a couple to few thousand.

 

Specs of the rig currently:

Cpu:i7 5960x

Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 32GB

Mobo: Asrock X99 WS-E/10G

Gpu: Just a gtx 970 from my gaming rig for the time being (hoping you guys will help me on this front)

Psu: Evga SuperNova 1600 P2 (got it for a good price and couldn't pass)

 

If you need more info, please ask away. Thank you immensely.

I would say maybe a Titan X?

 

Sell your GTX 970 Keep it and use for your gaming rig. 

[XPGHawk]

Can't help you @XPGHawk, but I'll be following this topic as it seems interesting. Remember to follow it yourself!

Thx and just had to say I love your spoiler  :lol:

[XPGHawk]

I would say maybe a Titan X?

 

Sell your GTX 970 Keep it and use for your gaming rig. 

Hahaha yah, just refreshed the page and saw what you changed. Anyways, not to challenge you, just curious why the titan x and not a Quadro. Not enough benefits for the price hike with the Quadro and if I was to go for a titan X - 1? 2? 3?

[Sir Asvald]

Hahaha yah, just refreshed the page and saw what you changed. Anyways, not to challenge you, just curious why the titan x and not a Quadro. Not enough benefits for the price hike with the Quadro and if I was to go for a titan X - 1? 2? 3?

Which Quadro are you choosing. Mostly the Quadro's will be expensive. 

 

[XPGHawk]

Which Quadro are you choosing. Mostly the Quadro's will be expensive. 

 

The expense isn't the problem for me. Truly looking for a solution to reduce my render times but not paying through the nose for things that I don't really need. Saying that, I looked at the titan X's bigger brother, the Quadro M6000 or at least that's what the cards looks like to me. The price tag of that isn't the issue, the question I have is that, if I was to purchase the M6000 or something in that similar price/spec range, would the special drivers and ECC vram be beneficial to me for making my models? And the rendering times would go down as well, correct?

[Sir Asvald]

The expense isn't the problem for me. Truly looking for a solution to reduce my render times but not paying through the nose for things that I don't really need. Saying that, I looked at the titan X's bigger brother, the Quadro M6000 or at least that's what the cards looks like to me. The price tag of that isn't the issue, the question I have is that, if I was to purchase the M6000 or something in that similar price/spec range, would the special drivers and ECC vram be beneficial to me for making my models? And the rendering times would go down as well, correct?

Yes, The M6000 would be beneficial for you. If money is not an issue, by all means, get the m6000

[XPGHawk]

Yes, The M6000 would be beneficial for you. If money is not an issue, by all means, get the m6000

Last question before I get out of your hair, would you go for 2 or 3 titan X's over the m6000?

[Sir Asvald]

Last question before I get out of your hair, would you go for 2 or 3 titan X's over the m6000?

Titan x has the same specs I believe. Accept the m6000 has ECC memory. Also the price would be much greater if you went with 2 Titans X's. Around $1800.

 

http://techreport.com/news/27988/the-quadro-m6000-is-a-titan-x-for-workstations

 

http://images.nvidia.com/content/pdf/quadro/data-sheets/NV_DS_Quadro_M6000_FEB15_NV_US_FNL_HR.pdf

[LegacyStijncat]

Last question before I get out of your hair, would you go for 2 or 3 titan X's over the m6000?

That's irrelevant, I'm afraid. Titans are Geforce cards, which are optimized for speed. Quadro cards, like the m6000, are meant to calculate the tiniest spec of the tiniest, while making sure that there's not a single mistake in it. This makes Geforce gaming cards, and Quadro's professional stuff.

 

 

Yes, The M6000 would be beneficial for you. If money is not an issue, by all means, get the m6000

How does it help? Is it like hyper-threading style helping?

[Sir Asvald]

How does it help? Is it like hyper-threading style helping?

Well, the m6000 using the same chip as the Titan X , the GM200. Accept it uses ECC Memory

 

I don't believe it has hyper-threading? 

[LegacyStijncat]

Well, the m6000 using the same chip as the Titan X , the GM200. Accept it uses ECC Memory

 

I don't believe it has hyper-threading? 

I meant giving help LIKE hyper-threading helps. Hyper-threading makes a huge difference in (3D) rendering, does getting a Quadro help that much too?

[Zulkkis]

The workload is different, however - ECC is not essential. I know that in Blender, you'd rather take the titan X over a quadro. There are some settings with which Quadro might be able to do the job faster (double-sided), but it's not dramatical.

 

You should try to look for benchmarks with the software you are using.

[Sir Asvald]

I meant giving help LIKE hyper-threading helps. Hyper-threading makes a huge difference in (3D) rendering, does getting a Quadro help that much too?

Yes, CPU with hyper-threading such as 4790k will help.

 

The Quadro is completely a different story, it depends on what you're doing with your system.

[Yuniks]

Definitely go with a Quadro card for video editing. Some performance cards(e.g. GTX/Radeon) are decent for video editing, but for what you're doing, a quadro card is the way to go.

You can also go for a FirePro if you're on a tighter budget.

[XPGHawk]

Definitely go with a Quadro card for video editing. Some performance cards(e.g. GTX/Radeon) are decent for video editing, but for what you're doing, a quadro card is the way to go.

You can also go for a FirePro if you're on a tighter budget.

I'm not doing video editing, I am doing 3D design and rendering. Much different if I'm not mistaken.

 

That's irrelevant, I'm afraid. Titans are Geforce cards, which are optimized for speed. Quadro cards, like the m6000, are meant to calculate the tiniest spec of the tiniest, while making sure that there's not a single mistake in it. This makes Geforce gaming cards, and Quadro's professional stuff.

Fair enough, forget to keep that in mind. Thank you for the reminder. On this topic, for my case, what would you recommend. As you know I use AutoCad, Maya and 3ds Max, I am teaching myself along with taking a course in 3D design. Anything else I should tell you :l sorry not sure what would be useful or useless.

 

The workload is different, however - ECC is not essential. I know that in Blender, you'd rather take the titan X over a quadro. There are some settings with which Quadro might be able to do the job faster (double-sided), but it's not dramatical.

 

You should try to look for benchmarks with the software you are using.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of settings do you speak of that are offered on the Quadro? Also, "(double-sided)" not sure what you mean by this?

[LegacyStijncat]

Fair enough, forget to keep that in mind. Thank you for the reminder. On this topic, for my case, what would you recommend. As you know I use AutoCad, Maya and 3ds Max, I am teaching myself along with taking a course in 3D design. Anything else I should tell you :l sorry not sure what would be useful or useless.

It depends, what is the goal of your projects? If your into game development, or engineering, a Quadro will be way better in my opinion. Thanks to it's ECC memory, it will not tolerate any mistakes. And you don't want mistakes when 3D designing a protoype of a car.

Do keep in mind that ECC may prove itself not too useful in gaming, as it makes some things slower. Not too much, but a teensy bit, only hurtful for the competitive people.

 

If your goal is just animating, or freelance work to show how houses are going to look for example (as long as these blueprints are not going to be used in the building process itself), than getting the cheapest option will suffice, this being a Quadro or Geforce.

[LegacyStijncat]

I'm not doing video editing, I am doing 3D design and rendering. Much different if I'm not mistaken.

Prepare to be surprised, but it overlaps sometimes. Hyper-Threading of the i7 for example, will help in both 3D rendering as in video rendering/editing.

[Zulkkis]

I'm not doing video editing, I am doing 3D design and rendering. Much different if I'm not mistaken.

 

Fair enough, forget to keep that in mind. Thank you for the reminder. On this topic, for my case, what would you recommend. As you know I use AutoCad, Maya and 3ds Max, I am teaching myself along with taking a course in 3D design. Anything else I should tell you :l sorry not sure what would be useful or useless.

 

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of settings do you speak of that are offered on the Quadro? Also, "(double-sided)" not sure what you mean by this?

 

Double-sided surfaces. http://doc-ok.org/?p=304

 

Quadros just have some specific features that are gated behind them. In the past, there was lackluster multi-monitor support for Linux, I'm not sure how it is right now. OpenGL and 3DVision require both a Quadro card and the professional version of 3D vision transmitter + goggles. True 10-bit colour support is limited to Quadros, but you will also need the expensive monitor to make any use of that.

 

There are a lot of small things, that might matter to you a lot or not at all. In many cases, the equilevant GTX-card performs better than a Quadro card, but there might be some driver optimizations in specific supported software which can make your life easier and the workload faster.

 

I personally have 0 experience with this but this was the only article that started talking about the specific features: http://www.nextgadgets.net/nvidia-unleashes-quadro-m6000-workstation-graphics-powerhouse-based-on-maxwell/

 

It depends, what is the goal of your projects? If your into game development, or engineering, a Quadro will be way better in my opinion. Thanks to it's ECC memory, it will not tolerate any mistakes. And you don't want mistakes when 3D designing a protoype of a car.

Do keep in mind that ECC may prove itself not too useful in gaming, as it makes some things slower. Not too much, but a teensy bit, only hurtful for the competitive people.

 

If your goal is just animating, or freelance work to show how houses are going to look for example (as long as these blueprints are not going to be used in the building process itself), than getting the cheapest option will suffice, this being a Quadro or Geforce.

 

ECC memory doesn't really have anything to do with 3D-designing a prototype of a car. The rendering workload doesn't differ much from what you do from games, the largest difference is that there is no need to do it in real time so lightning simulations and whatnot can be far more complex as you are not limited to milliseconds for each frame.

 

I don't know much about ECC to be frank, but my understanding is that it's more for the scientific applications where you can't have the slightest of errors. Moving vertices around the viewport is different from calculating some financial matrix over the stock market. In a case where you need ECC memory you'd probably want DP performance for the higher accuracy, but Maxwell is not the place to look at for the DP performance.

 

But again, my (very limited, mind you) experience is with Blender, so I don't really have to care about Quadros too much. 3DSMAX and MAYA users might know better, though many of them probably don't and are still eager to give you hints. I haven't coded compilers or any low level stuff, built workstations for Dreamworks, this is purely from a hobby-basis.

[LegacyStijncat]

@Zulkkis, it doesn't directly connect to prototypes, but it eventually does. If suddenly a single file goes corrupt, or a single transaction, than things go wrong. That's why delicate things use ECC!

[XPGHawk]

 

 

 

Thank you both for the help, bottom line, what setup would you go for with your money? Saying you had the to do so and were in the same situation as me. The M6000 or a (couple/few) titan x('s)?

[LegacyStijncat]

Thank you both for the help, bottom line, what setup would you go for with your money? Saying you had the to do so and were in the same situation as me. The M6000 or a (couple/few) titan x('s)?

As a gamer, Titan x's. Do note that I would use it for Shadow Of Mordor and things like that, so that's why.

Otherwise, if I was an engineer, I would go for the M6000.

But I'm not.

So Titan X's!

 

EDIT: I just saw it says same situation. Well if your situation is engineering, or something professional like that, M6000.

[Zulkkis]

It's hard to say for me because I do not use the same software you do. For me personally, I don't have iRay or anything so the driver improvements wouldn't do much for me, so the M6000 would be largely pointless.

 

For pure rendering performance, you can get 4 Titan X's at the price of a single M6000. The card is priced for corporations, not individuals. That said, I can not know if you are going to use any of the features only available with a quadro.

 

I'd still wager that the cosmic rays changing a single bit in the memory is not as crucial in rendering use, making ECC memory a nice thing to have but wouldn't ultimately really change anything.

 

I'd rather take this to a professional forum or something before paying 4000$+ on graphics card(s). An informed decision is what you need, and ultimately I cannot offer you too much in that department.