Windows 8 Start Menu

[tlmills82]

I'm building a new computer and am looking at putting windows 8.1 on it since it's the newest windows right now.  But I really want the classic interface.  I recently found the video Linus made on using ninite.com to get the classic start function.

 

I guess my question is if anyone is using this, how bad is it on your system resources.  Is it even significant at all?

[the jolly roger]

I'm building a new computer and am looking at putting windows 8.1 on it since it's the newest windows right now.  But I really want the classic interface.  I recently found the video Linus made on using ninite.com to get the classic start function.

 

I guess my question is if anyone is using this, how bad is it on your system resources.  Is it even significant at all?

i use classic shell and its perfect

[cesrai]

It isn't the significant Barnclues said it's just turning on features inside windows.

[Ssoele]

As far as I can see, it basically uses no resources at all.

But even better than ClassicShell is StartIsBack (Not free, but very cheap and works a lot better).

[GoodBytes]

It isn't the significant Barnclues said it's just turning on features inside windows.

No he is wrong. It used to be like this in the preview builds. But now program replicates the Start Menu, as this is no longer possible. Other bring Windows 7 dll files and replaces Windows 8 dll files, but that usually breaks Windows in some fashion.

[cesrai]

No he is wrong. It used to be like this in the preview builds. But now program replicates the Start Menu, as this is no longer possible. Other bring Windows 7 dll files and replaces Windows 8 dll files, but that usually breaks Windows in some fashion.

Is that resource intensive ??

[eelnico09]

Use Start8, i use it and works fantastic.

[GoodBytes]

Is that resource intensive ??

Replicating the Start Menu? No. It's actually relatively easy to do. It starts with your computer hidden, and when you hit the button, it shows the window, and click away or on an item, it executes the action and hides it back.

 

As for the StartMenu replacements that brings WIndows 7 dlls to replace Windows 8 dlls, well this goes against Microsoft Windows license agreement, but also leads to issue with some Windows Updates, and brinks things in the OS.

[cesrai]

Replicating the Start Menu? No. It's actually relatively easy to do. It starts with your computer hidden, and when you hit the button, it shows the window, and click away or on an item, it executes the action and hides it back.

 

As for the StartMenu replacements that brings WIndows 7 dlls to replace Windows 8 dlls, well this goes against Microsoft Windows license agreement, but also leads to issue with some Windows Updates, and brinks things in the OS.

Are you sure that what they are doing ??? I used it and update was great, if it was breaking the agreement don't you think at least windows defender would have done something about he program installing ??

[GoodBytes]

Are you sure that what they are doing ??? I used it and update was great, if it was breaking the agreement don't you think at least windows defender would have done something about he program installing ??

Ok I think there is some miss understanding.

 

You have 2 TYPES of start menus replacement software.

 

TYPE 1

 -> Developer make their own Start Menu that looks like Windows 7 one (or XP). These kind are currently the most popular ones as it doesn't break Windows, and works fine.

 

TYPE 2

 -> Take some Windows 7 dlls, hacks them, and moves it to Windows 8 dlls (or take Windows 8 dlls modifies them injecting Windows 7 Start menu inside) or uses Windows 8 preview dlls as brings it to the official. Regardless, it leads to having people programs with the OS and sometimes with Windows 10. These are no popular, as you can image why (system problems appears after installation)

 

Type 2 are identifiable of being an exact replica pixel by pixel to Windows 7 start menu, complete with round corners, not matching Windows 8 look.

[cesrai]

Ok I think there is some miss understanding.

 

You have 2 TYPES of start menus replacement software.

 

TYPE 1

 -> Developer make their own Start Menu that looks like Windows 7 one (or XP). These kind are currently the most popular ones as it doesn't break Windows, and works fine.

 

TYPE 2

 -> Take some Windows 7 dlls, hacks them, and moves it to Windows 8 dlls (or take Windows 8 dlls modifies them injecting Windows 7 Start menu inside) or uses Windows 8 preview dlls as brings it to the official. Regardless, it leads to having people programs with the OS and sometimes with Windows 10. These are no popular, as you can image why (system problems appears after installation)

 

Type 2 are identifiable of being an exact replica pixel by pixel to Windows 7 start menu, complete with round corners, not matching Windows 8 look.

I got that the first time, Don't you think that Windows defender would do something about it ??? if not why ??

[GoodBytes]

I got that the first time, Don't you think that Windows defender would do something about it ??? if not why ??

It won't as it is not a virus. The same way Windows Defender doesn't detect malware.

And malware is just bad software. Malwarebytes can't identify malware just like that, they use a database that they have been working on over many many years to detect them, and stay updated by searching for them, and finding ways to remove them.

 

If I make a software that delete all content of "My Documents", it is not detected as malware. What if I want to do this, much like CCleaner emptying my Temp folder? Now, if it spreads online, and I trick the user into thinking it is a picture they are about to open, then eventually Malwarebyte will see it, and put it on their database as malware.

[cesrai]

It won't as it is not a virus. The same way Windows Defender doesn't detect malware.

And malware is just bad software. Malwarebytes can't identify malware just like that, they use a database that they have been working on over many many years to detect them, and stay updated by searching for them, and finding ways to remove them.

 

If I make a software that delete all content of "My Documents", it is not detected as malware. What if I want to do this, much like CCleaner emptying my Temp folder? Now, if it spreads online, and I trick the user into thinking it is a picture they are about to open, then eventually Malwarebyte will see it, and put it on their database as malware.

I may sounds stupid, then how does Windows defender detect keygens and cracks ???

[tlmills82]

Ok I think there is some miss understanding.

 

You have 2 TYPES of start menus replacement software.

 

TYPE 1

 -> Developer make their own Start Menu that looks like Windows 7 one (or XP). These kind are currently the most popular ones as it doesn't break Windows, and works fine.

 

TYPE 2

 -> Take some Windows 7 dlls, hacks them, and moves it to Windows 8 dlls (or take Windows 8 dlls modifies them injecting Windows 7 Start menu inside) or uses Windows 8 preview dlls as brings it to the official. Regardless, it leads to having people programs with the OS and sometimes with Windows 10. These are no popular, as you can image why (system problems appears after installation)

 

Type 2 are identifiable of being an exact replica pixel by pixel to Windows 7 start menu, complete with round corners, not matching Windows 8 look.

 

I assume the one from ninite (which is classic shell I believe) should be fine?

[GoodBytes]

Yes, it is fine.

 

I may sounds stupid, then how does Windows defender detect keygens and cracks ???

 

To put it simply:

It checks the signature of the files which it generates and compare on the file. So, no mater the file name is, it can identify it.

The signature is a hash it generates as it scans every files, and compares it to it's database (called virus definitions). That is why you have daily or more updates of Windows Defender via Windows Updates where you see "Windows Defender Definition".

 

It doesn't stop there. It also uses heuristics. Heuristics allow an antivirus program to identify new or modified types of malware or viruses, even without virus definition files. This is where false positive can occurs also.

[cesrai]

Yes, it is fine.

 

 

To put it simply:

It checks the signature of the files which it generates and compare on the file. So, no mater the file name is, it can identify it.

The signature is a hash it generates as it scans every files, and compares it to it's database (called virus definitions). That is why you have daily or more updates of Windows Defender via Windows Updates where you see "Windows Defender Definition".

 

It doesn't stop there. It also uses heuristics. Heuristics allow an antivirus program to identify new or modified types of malware or viruses, even without virus definition files. This is where false positive can occurs also.

So, replacing dll is just like CCleaner clearing the temp folder but a keygen that I make get recognised as a virus like that, another question shouldn't the dll be protected ?? I mean you can't delete System32 by shift + delete can you ??

[GoodBytes]

The anti-virus is a scanner that compares files via a database for well virus (if we ignore the heuristic part), at the end of the day that is what it does. So technically, if AVG wanted, they could set it so that any competitor A/V setup is found it makes it as virus, so that you stay with them. But then this will be turn AVG into a fraudulent software. and that is a different story.

 

Keygen are usually detected due to heuristics of the A/V.

 

When you give admin rights to a program, in this case the setup of the Start Menu, it can do what it wants. It can change the permissions.

Usually the way the setup works, is that it changes the permission for it to change, then set it as startup at boot time to resume, and ask you to restart your system. When you restart when Windows loads, it will lunch the setup to resume, and complete the file replacements. When Windows boot, you login, and voila Windows 7 start menu.

[Sharp_3yE]

I assume the one from ninite (which is classic shell I believe) should be fine?

Just use classic shell. It's free and you will be completely satisfied with all of the options it has.

[Satlen]

Use Start8, i use it and works fantastic.

 

Me too, I love Start8 it has a lot of cool options and looks just like the OS.