WaterCooling Cpu and Gpu help!

[Acidust]

Hello everyone, well i am thinking of going for a watercoolin loop for my system, its my first time so here what i am thinkiking of going with.

Now my setup is this:
CPU:i7 4790k 4.4 stock clock
Mobo:Asus Maximus VII Hero
Ram:16gb Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz
PSU:CM V550 80 plus gold
Case:Nzxt Source 530
GPU:Sapphire r9 290 reference edition

What i am thinking of buying:
 Xspc Raystorm 750 ex240  200euro

Gpu Waterbloock

I think this is compatible with my card since 290 and 290x are the same , not sure thought (help if someone has a clue)??

Now my Main Problem is do i really need a second 120/140mm radiator to cool the water before going back on the gpu??(if i need i will get one plus a fan to go with so help here please???)

If there is no need to get a second radiator i could go with:
Xspc Raystorm 750 ex360  225 euro 

So going with the second option is 50-70 euro cheaper .

What should i do?

[applesuxD]

Hello everyone, well i am thinking of going for a watercoolin loop for my system, its my first time so here what i am thinkiking of going with.

Now my setup is this:

CPU:i7 4790k 4.4 stock clock

Mobo:Asus Maximus VII Hero

Ram:16gb Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz

PSU:CM V550 80 plus gold

Case:Nzxt Source 530

GPU:Sapphire r9 290 reference edition

What i am thinking of buying:

Xspc Raystorm 750 ex240 200euro

Gpu Waterbloock

I think this is compatible with my card since 290 and 290x are the same , not sure thought (help if someone has a clue)??

Now my Main Problem is do i really need a second 120/140mm radiator to cool the water before going back on the gpu??(if i need i will get one plus a fan to go with so help here please???)

If there is no need to get a second radiator i could go with:

Xspc Raystorm 750 ex360 225 euro

So going with the second option is 50-70 euro cheaper .

What should i do?

Swiftech h220x

[spwath]

Swiftech h220x

???

This honestly does nothing, did you read the question?

It should work, the second option

[Eisenbart]

I can tell you that you will need atleast 4x120mm radiator space, because that is what I am using with not exactly great temps.

Also I use a Xeon 1230v3 which is less of a heat producing part than the i7.

 

A Radiator in between the CPU an GPU does not affect temps. The placement is pretty much irrelevant.

 

R9 290 and R9 290X reference boards are basicly the same.

 

The Pump that comes with the XSPC Kit is not really good for your setup, if you want a Custom Loop you should go for a DDC or D5. A DDC Derivat is included in the H220X.

If you want to buy a kit, get one from Alphacool that includes a DDC, they are fairly cheap. Or get an H220X or H240X and expand that with another 360mm Radiator.

[Acidust]

I can tell you that you will need atleast 4x120mm radiator space, because that is what I am using with not exactly great temps.

Also I use a Xeon 1230v3 which is less of a heat producing part than the i7.

 

A Radiator in between the CPU an GPU does not affect temps. The placement is pretty much irrelevant.

 

R9 290 and R9 290X reference boards are basicly the same.

 

The Pump that comes with the XSPC Kit is not really good for your setup, if you want a Custom Loop you should go for a DDC or D5. A DDC Derivat is included in the H220X.

If you want to buy a kit, get one from Alphacool that includes a DDC, they are fairly cheap. Or get an H220X or H240X and expand that with another 360mm Radiator.

Thank you for your great and detailed reply , i really appreciate your input on this matter.

This is my case it can fit a 360mm radiator on the top so i am fine i think.

So i did some research on the shops from where i can get a kit and i found out about this one :

Alphacool 360 DDC -XT its about the same price 200 euros (even cheaper than the xspc 360) anyways.

So with this kit and with one 360 radiator i am good to go ? cause alot of people told me that i need another radiator to recool the water caming from the cpu and going on the gpu. 

Also if its not much of me to ask, what in your opinion should be my choice of loop setup if i choose to go with the single 360mm radiator? 

[Eisenbart]

Thank you for your great and detailed reply , i really appreciate your input on this matter.

So i did some research on the shops from where i can get a kit and i found out about this one :

Alphacool 360 DDC -XT its about the same price 200 euros (even cheaper than the xspc 360) anyways.

So with this kit and with one 360 radiator i am good to go ? cause alot of people told me that i need another radiator to recool the water caming from the cpu and going on the gpu. 

Also if its not much of me to ask, what in your opinion should be my choice of loop setup if i choose to go with the single 360mm radiator? 

No Problem I am happy to help you out!

That is one of the Kits that I meant, yes. 

 

I would recommend that you get a second Radiator, maybe a 240mm or 280mm depending on your case and how much room you have. It seems that the NZXT hase room for a 240mm aswell as the 360;)

You CAN however stick to one 360mm BUT you will have to have high speeds on the fans to compensate, which will equate to more noise.

Also it does not matter where you place the Radiator in the loop, it makes no difference in temps.

 

Your loop setup depends on how you want it to look. There is only one thing that is important: the reservoir needs to be infront of the pump so 

Reservoir-->pump-->rad1-->gpu-->cpu-->rad2-->reservoir

for example

 

Also what are you trying to accomplish? Low Temps or low noise?

[Acidust]

No Problem I am happy to help you out!

That is one of the Kits that I meant, yes. 

 

I would recommend that you get a second Radiator, maybe a 240mm or 280mm depending on your case and how much room you have. It seems that the NZXT hase room for a 240mm aswell as the 360;)

You CAN however stick to one 360mm BUT you will have to have high speeds on the fans to compensate, which will equate to more noise.

Also it does not matter where you place the Radiator in the loop, it makes no difference in temps.

 

Your loop setup depends on how you want it to look. There is only one thing that is important: the reservoir needs to be infront of the pump so 

Reservoir-->pump-->rad1-->gpu-->cpu-->rad2-->reservoir

for example

 

Also what are you trying to accomplish? Low Temps or low noise?

Well my main issue is the gpu.It runs hot so to get around that i have to manual(i say manually beacuse if the funs is below 42% its fine there is no noise what so ever but if i play witcher 2 i get 90-94c on the gpu and i hate that , it downcloacks and there is no point but with the fun at 60-65% its running at 72-75c) put the fun over 60% and that makes the fun go crazy and make insane noise witch i Can not stand any more. 

So with that said yes noise is one issue but i also want to get the most out of my cpu,i am currently running the i7 with stock cooler until i setup a watercooling kit on it and i have turbo boost off so its always at 4ghz so i can keep the temps low (around 60-70c max ).

I was planning on just getting an AIO watercooling kit just for me cpu but then i thought why shoundnt i go with a full kit for my gpu aswell.

Lastly to answer your question i am doing this to get low/normal temps plus some low noise(well normal fun noise isnt a problem but i dont want to have the same noise as the stock cooler on my gpu) .

[Eisenbart]

Well my main issue is the gpu.It runs hot so to get around that i have to manual(i say manually beacuse if the funs is below 42% its fine there is no noise what so ever but if i play witcher 2 i get 90-94c on the gpu and i hate that , it downcloacks and there is no point but with the fun at 60-65% its running at 72-75c) put the fun over 60% and that makes the fun go crazy and make insane noise witch i Can not stand any more. 

So with that said yes noise is one issue but i also want to get the most out of my cpu,i am currently running the i7 with stock cooler until i setup a watercooling kit on it and i have turbo boost off so its always at 4ghz so i can keep the temps low (around 60-70c max ).

I was planning on just getting an AIO watercooling kit just for me cpu but then i thought why shoundnt i go with a full kit for my gpu aswell.

Lastly to answer your question i am doing this to get low/normal temps plus some low noise(well normal fun noise isnt a problem but i dont want to have the same noise as the stock cooler on my gpu) .

 

Seems funny to me, these are the exact same reasons i did my custom loop^^

 

You could also go with two Aios. Using the Corsair HG10 bracket and a nice 140mm Aio or 240mm Aio.

And then go for a 360 Aio on the CPU like the new fractal design Kelvin S36.

They are louder than a custom loop and also not as much fun to fiddle with, but are cheaper and less hassle.

So just to get the word across, there is always an easy and a fun version

 

So for you to have an example:

I am running a Xeon 1230v3 at 3.7 Ghz and a OC R9 290(1200/1450) with two 240mm radiators and get ~70°C on the GPU and CPU load temps with fans at ~700rpm and MCP30 pump at 30% which is a very quiet setup.

 

For you this means with one 360mm and one 240mm you should be good to go with low noise and low temps

[Acidust]

Seems funny to me, these are the exact same reasons i did my custom loop^^

 

You could also go with two Aios. Using the Corsair HG10 bracket and a nice 140mm Aio or 240mm Aio.

And then go for a 360 Aio on the CPU like the new fractal design Kelvin S36.

They are louder than a custom loop and also not as much fun to fiddle with, but are cheaper and less hassle.

So just to get the word across, there is always an easy and a fun version

 

So for you to have an example:

I am running a Xeon 1230v3 at 3.7 Ghz and a OC R9 290(1200/1450) with two 240mm radiators and get ~70°C on the GPU and CPU load temps with fans at ~700rpm and MCP30 pump at 30% which is a very quiet setup.

 

For you this means with one 360mm and one 240mm you should be good to go with low noise and low temps

That all sounds amazing your setup looks awesome from my point of view.

I do know about the kraken g10 and was planing on going with that. I thought i could get a watercooling loop with the same cost but i thought wrong.

I just found out that the gpu waterblock i was looking at ,infuct was just the reinforcer plate for the acuall waterbloock witch cost another 120euro and now for my pocket this gets way to much.

So i am back where i started and will be going with the Corsair Hydro H55 or maybe something bigger like corsair hydro h105 not sure yet +kraken g10+some vrm heat-sinks for my GPU and CoolerMaster Nepton 280L for my CPU, less for me to do and it will be 100-120 euros cheaper than the watercooling kit.

[Faceman]

That all sounds amazing your setup looks awesome from my point of view.

I do know about the kraken g10 and was planing on going with that. I thought i could get a watercooling loop with the same cost but i thought wrong.

I just found out that the gpu waterblock i was looking at ,infuct was just the reinforcer plate for the acuall waterbloock witch cost another 120euro and now for my pocket this gets way to much.

So i am back where i started and will be going with the Corsair Hydro H55 or maybe something bigger like corsair hydro h105 not sure yet +kraken g10+some vrm heat-sinks for my GPU and CoolerMaster Nepton 280L for my CPU, less for me to do and it will be 100-120 euros cheaper than the watercooling kit.

It will be much cheaper, and perform roughly the same, maybe even better because you didn't have much radiator space planned out in that other build.

 

Check out my How To Water Cool a CPU and Single GPU for Under $200 USD Guide.  It talks about doing an AIO for both CPU and GPU.  For CPU, you definitely want at least 240mm, for GPU, all you really need is 120/140mm.  If you want really excellent performance, I think the X41 is the best to use for your GPU, you just have to buy a 2nd fan for push/pull because the radiator is thick.

[Acidust]

It will be much cheaper, and perform roughly the same, maybe even better because you didn't have much radiator space planned out in that other build.

 

Check out my How To Water Cool a CPU and Single GPU for Under $200 USD Guide.  It talks about doing an AIO for both CPU and GPU.  For CPU, you definitely want at least 240mm, for GPU, all you really need is 120/140mm.  If you want really excellent performance, I think the X41 is the best to use for your GPU, you just have to buy a 2nd fan for push/pull because the radiator is thick.

I just got over your post there and its very detailed and its acually what i was planning on going with at the start. 

Since i am now going with this i have 2 noctua 120mm fans at my hands so i will be going for a 120mm AIO for my GPU , the h55 should be okay and saves me about 40euros for my CPU the cooler master nepton 280l is great from what i have read on the reviews.

[Faceman]

I just got over your post there and its very detailed and its acually what i was planning on going with at the start. 

Since i am now going with this i have 2 noctua 120mm fans at my hands so i will be going for a 120mm AIO for my GPU , the h55 should be okay and saves me about 40euros for my CPU the cooler master nepton 280l is great from what i have read on the reviews.

Yea, that will be an excellent option, especially with 2 noctua fans already.  Might I possibly recommend the Cooler Master Nepton 240M?  It performs almost as good as the 280L, but it is WAY more quiet.  The included fans are incredibly high end, so you wont need to replace them, like you would on the 280L because its fans are LOUD.

 

If you have any more questions about this, feel free to ask, I'm happy to help.  I love the dual AIO setup, and its become quite popular for good reason.

[FluffyNuggets]

Rule of thumb is 120mm of surface space for each thing you wanna cool. More radiator space means you can run with lower fan speed which decreases overall noise. If you plan on overclocking then plan on having more radiators to keep the temps low. The R9 290 is a pretty toasty card so keep that in mind!

[Eisenbart]

I would recommend going with something bigger than 120mm for the r9 290. Atleast if you want to go more quiet.

[Acidust]

Yea, that will be an excellent option, especially with 2 noctua fans already.  Might I possibly recommend the Cooler Master Nepton 240M?  It performs almost as good as the 280L, but it is WAY more quiet.  The included fans are incredibly high end, so you wont need to replace them, like you would on the 280L because its fans are LOUD.

 

If you have any more questions about this, feel free to ask, I'm happy to help.  I love the dual AIO setup, and its become quite popular for good reason.

i did some reasearch and u are correct the fans on 280l are way to loud so i will be going with the 240m.

Thanks for the info!!!

 

I would recommend going with something bigger than 120mm for the r9 290. Atleast if you want to go more quiet.

well i will might go with the Corsair hydro h105 and put the 2 noctua fans i have there.

Thanks for your recommendation!!!

[Faceman]

i did some reasearch and u are correct the fans on 280l are way to loud so i will be going with the 240m.

Thanks for the info!!!

 

well i will might go with the Corsair hydro h105 and put the 2 noctua fans i have there.

Thanks for your recommendation!!!

     120mm such as the H55 or X31 will be plenty for an R9 290.  You can expect temps in the 50-60C range depending on ambient temps, TIM, number of fans, and case used.  You really don't get much added benefit after 120mm.  We have a test on the OCN G10 Owner's Club, its a standard test to measure performance, 15 minutes of Unigine Heaven at Ultra preset with radiator fans at 100% to simulate max heat dissipation.  I used my X31, and got max temp of 47C on my GTX780.  I do use two fans, Gelid GC Extreme TIM, and have excellent case airflow with 23.8C/75F ambient temps.  Compare that to someone who has a GTX780Ti using an X61 they were getting 40C temps.  I don't remember his TIM or ambient temps, but we were all shocked at how small of a difference it makes. 

 

     That's not a big gain considering how much more you would have to pay for an X61 over something like an H55, which is often the go-to for most people. After 120mm, the gains you get drop off significantly.  Now, there is the added benefit of being able to have lower fan speed for less noise, but the real price to performance sweet spot with the G10 is 120mm.  Case space is also more difficult when you are trying to fit two 240mm+ radiators into your chassis.  Keep in mind you MUST have the G10's radiator set to exhaust.  This is against conventional radiator wisdom, but it is how it must be for the G10 radiators.  These GPUs are high TDP, so they expel a lot more heat than your CPU, so the air coming out of the radiator is fairly hot.  When people complain of high temperatures, the most common problem is they have their radiators set to intake.  You MUST have your G10's radiator set to exhaust.  Having a 120/140mm AIO in push/pull exhausting out the rear of your case is the most desirable, and often the cleanest looking.

[Acidust]

     120mm such as the H55 or X31 will be plenty for an R9 290.  You can expect temps in the 50-60C range depending on ambient temps, TIM, number of fans, and case used.  You really don't get much added benefit after 120mm.  We have a test on the OCN G10 Owner's Club, its a standard test to measure performance, 15 minutes of Unigine Heaven at Ultra preset with radiator fans at 100% to simulate max heat dissipation.  I used my X31, and got max temp of 47C on my GTX780.  I do use two fans, Gelid GC Extreme TIM, and have excellent case airflow with 23.8C/75F ambient temps.  Compare that to someone who has a GTX780Ti using an X61 they were getting 40C temps.  I don't remember his TIM or ambient temps, but we were all shocked at how small of a difference it makes. 

 

     That's not a big gain considering how much more you would have to pay for an X61 over something like an H55, which is often the go-to for most people. After 120mm, the gains you get drop off significantly.  Now, there is the added benefit of being able to have lower fan speed for less noise, but the real price to performance sweet spot with the G10 is 120mm.  Case space is also more difficult when you are trying to fit two 240mm+ radiators into your chassis.  Keep in mind you MUST have the G10's radiator set to exhaust.  This is against conventional radiator wisdom, but it is how it must be for the G10 radiators.  These GPUs are high TDP, so they expel a lot more heat than your CPU, so the air coming out of the radiator is fairly hot.  When people complain of high temperatures, the most common problem is they have their radiators set to intake.  You MUST have your G10's radiator set to exhaust.  Having a 120/140mm AIO in push/pull exhausting out the rear of your case is the most desirable, and often the cleanest looking.

I just spend another one and a half hour looking on the net for reviews about going with a 240mm radiator on my gpu and i found a video on youtube with a guy using G10 +Corsair hydro h105 and with stock clock he was getting 59c max running valey so your are once again correct.

I probably will put another 40 euros and go with the Nzxt Kraken x41 but that just for me to be extra sure, plus i need to get my hands on some vrm and ram heatsinks and i will be good to go.

[Faceman]

I just spend another one and a half hour looking on the net for reviews about going with a 240mm radiator on my gpu and i found a video on youtube with a guy using G10 +Corsair hydro h105 and with stock clock he was getting 59c max running valey so your are once again correct.

I probably will put another 40 euros and go with the Nzxt Kraken x41 but that just for me to be extra sure, plus i need to get my hands on some vrm and ram heatsinks and i will be good to go.

Yea, the X41 is an excellent option.  It is very thick too, so it performs almost as good as a 240mm radiator, but saves you a lot of space.  Just make sure you buy an extra fan for push/pull.

 

Gelid makes a VRM kit for the R9 290, you should look into that.

[Acidust]

Yea, the X41 is an excellent option.  It is very thick too, so it performs almost as good as a 240mm radiator, but saves you a lot of space.  Just make sure you buy an extra fan for push/pull.

 

Gelid makes a VRM kit for the R9 290, you should look into that.

I know about the gelid kit its just that i dont see a way to get that kit here in greece in a cheap way , from ebay it will cost me about 20 euros plus 140 for X41+kraken g10 i am at 160 euros just for a water cooling setup for my gpu.

So all that got me thinking.

I have been looking at Raijintek Morpheus.

I found lots of reviews over the net about people using this GPU cooler on the R9 290 plus some good fans and they get somewhat the same results without any issue on the vrms and such.(i specifically found a review with this cooler having the same results with a corsair hydro h55+kraken g10 Both OCed at the same level , i just cant find that review to post it here ).

So i am now thinking of going Raijintek Morpheus +Noiseblocker Blacksilent pro PL2 version and this costs me 100euros in total and i can now save 60 euros plus whatever i want to spend on getting a good watercooling kit for my CPU.

The downside with this is that it will take most of my pci space (4 slots in total) but i think it worth it , saving the money to spend it in something that matters more.

From the start of this 'idea' all i have been trying to accomplice is to find the cheapest way to cool my gpu plus get the noise lvl down so i can go heavy on the CPU cooler, because the way i see it, is that my gpu will last me way less than my cpu.

[Faceman]

I know about the gelid kit its just that i dont see a way to get that kit here in greece in a cheap way , from ebay it will cost me about 20 euros plus 140 for X41+kraken g10 i am at 160 euros just for a water cooling setup for my gpu.

So all that got me thinking.

I have been looking at Raijintek Morpheus.

I found lots of reviews over the net about people using this GPU cooler on the R9 290 plus some good fans and they get somewhat the same results without any issue on the vrms and such.(i specifically found a review with this cooler having the same results with a corsair hydro h55+kraken g10 Both OCed at the same level , i just cant find that review to post it here ).

So i am now thinking of going Raijintek Morpheus +Noiseblocker Blacksilent pro PL2 version and this costs me 100euros in total and i can now save 60 euros plus whatever i want to spend on getting a good watercooling kit for my CPU.

The downside with this is that it will take most of my pci space (4 slots in total) but i think it worth it , saving the money to spend it in something that matters more.

From the start of this 'idea' all i have been trying to accomplice is to find the cheapest way to cool my gpu plus get the noise lvl down so i can go heavy on the CPU cooler, because the way i see it, is that my gpu will last me way less than my cpu.

Yea, I think that is an excellent alternative.  Have you possibly considered buying an H55 + G10 instead of going with the X41?  Here in the US, the H55 is half as expensive as the X41, so maybe it will be similar there, and it will drop your price to the same 100 euro leaving more money for CPU Cooler.

 

VRM heatsinks are going to be an issue/non-issue with the Morpheus as well.  Its the same exact thing, a fan blowing over those components.  One won't be more effective than the other because its doing the same thing.  Actually, you can even argue that the G10 will be better because there is no heatsink impeding the airflow of the fans over the VRMs.

 

This isn't the best example, but it does show that VRMs aren't really an issue when gaming.

 

I'm also fairly confident that the H55 + G10 is going to get you better results than a Morpheous.  If you could find something to show otherwise, please share.  I did happen to find a G10 + X40 Vs. Morpheus review using an R9 290.  The G10 + X40 is doing better by 9C, so with an H55 it will probably do better by 5-7C.  Maybe more using two fans and better TIM.

 

You can't go wrong with either, I'm just saying, try to find something less expensive than the X41 to try and make the G10 work.  If that isn't possible, then the Morpheus is a good alternative.

[Acidust]

Yea, I think that is an excellent alternative.  Have you possibly considered buying an H55 + G10 instead of going with the X41?  Here in the US, the H55 is half as expensive as the X41, so maybe it will be similar there, and it will drop your price to the same 100 euro leaving more money for CPU Cooler.

 

VRM heatsinks are going to be an issue/non-issue with the Morpheus as well.  Its the same exact thing, a fan blowing over those components.  One won't be more effective than the other because its doing the same thing.  Actually, you can even argue that the G10 will be better because there is no heatsink impeding the airflow of the fans over the VRMs.

 

This isn't the best example, but it does show that VRMs aren't really an issue when gaming.

 

I'm also fairly confident that the H55 + G10 is going to get you better results than a Morpheous.  If you could find something to show otherwise, please share.  I did happen to find a G10 + X40 Vs. Morpheus review using an R9 290.  The G10 + X40 is doing better by 9C, so with an H55 it will probably do better by 5-7C.  Maybe more using two fans and better TIM.

 

You can't go wrong with either, I'm just saying, try to find something less expensive than the X41 to try and make the G10 work.  If that isn't possible, then the Morpheus is a good alternative.

The good thing about the morpheus is that it comes with all the heatsinks u need to put on the card. U can check that on their site there is a big heatsink for the vrm2 , small once for the ram and a another small one for vrm1 so thats taken care off.

If i go with the H55+kraken g10 i am at 100 euros , the same amount of money i will spend on the morpheus option but the downside is that i dont have a way to fix the vrms/ram problems because i cant get my hands on some heatsinks here in greece and i checked everyone .

I also found some people on the net using h55+kraken g10 and making a mod on the stock cooler to fix the Vrm/ram issue but from what i show it doesnt really worth the truble.

I know i can get way better performance with the h55+kraken g10 and its the same money but risk it with the vrms/ram thats where my mind is at the moment.

[Faceman]

The good thing about the morpheus is that it comes with all the heatsinks u need to put on the card. U can check that on their site there is a big heatsink for the vrm2 , small once for the ram and a another small one for vrm1 so thats taken care off.

If i go with the H55+kraken g10 i am at 100 euros , the same amount of money i will spend on the morpheus option but the downside is that i dont have a way to fix the vrms/ram problems because i cant get my hands on some heatsinks here in greece and i checked everyone .

I also found some people on the net using h55+kraken g10 and making a mod on the stock cooler to fix the Vrm/ram issue but from what i show it doesnt really worth the truble.

I know i can get way better performance with the h55+kraken g10 and its the same money but risk it with the vrms/ram thats where my mind is at the moment.

Ok, I didn't know that about the Morpheus coming with VRM heatsinks.

 

VRMs really aren't a problem on the G10, even without heatsinks.  You can ask in the G10 Owner's Club.  There are tons of people using this mod with no heatsinks with the R9 290s.  I know it sounds like I'm pushing the G10 hard, but its because I know the VRMs aren't an issue when gaming.  Its only when you run a dangerous program like Furmark/Kombustor that VRMs become an issue.  I just don't want you to be leaving performance behind because if they both cost the same, get the one with better performance.  You can't go wrong with either.  Take some time, do more research, ask around on the G10 Owner's Club. 

[Acidust]

Ok, I didn't know that about the Morpheus coming with VRM heatsinks.

 

VRMs really aren't a problem on the G10, even without heatsinks.  You can ask in the G10 Owner's Club.  There are tons of people using this mod with no heatsinks with the R9 290s.  I know it sounds like I'm pushing the G10 hard, but its because I know the VRMs aren't an issue when gaming.  Its only when you run a dangerous program like Furmark/Kombustor that VRMs become an issue.  I just don't want you to be leaving performance behind because if they both cost the same, get the one with better performance.  You can't go wrong with either.  Take some time, do more research, ask around on the G10 Owner's Club. 

I just made some reaserch around and found out about the Corsair hg10.

Its abit more expensive than the kraken but its build in a way thats fixes the whole issue with the vrm/ram .

So yeah i will be staying on the watercooling solution for the gpu and will be going with the corsair hg10 and one of the corsair AIO coolers.

I would really like to thank you very much @Faceman for spending all this time over and over answering me , you have been very helpfull i really appreciate it.

[Faceman]

I just made some reaserch around and found out about the Corsair hg10.

Its abit more expensive than the kraken but its build in a way thats fixes the whole issue with the vrm/ram .

So yeah i will be staying on the watercooling solution for the gpu and will be going with the corsair hg10 and one of the corsair AIO coolers.

I would really like to thank you very much @Faceman for spending all this time over and over answering me , you have been very helpfull i really appreciate it.

There is no issue with the VRM/VRAM.  Look at that above chart, the HG10 is only doing 3C better temps than a G10 without heatsinks.  Both of which are in the 40s, leaving you 60C of headroom.  VRMs are not an issue.  The results they are getting are much lower than normal.  People who do the G10 mod with a reference R9 290 usually go from 100C VRM temps down to 60/70C, without heatsinks.  Adding heatsinks drops an additional 10-15C off that temperature, but even without heatsinks you are well below the danger zone.

 

The HG10 isn't that great an option because it is only for reference cards, and it can't be used on other cards.  While it does work for your specific R9 290, that is what you are limited to.  Say if you upgrade in a few years, you can't move the HG10 over, whereas the G10 is more universal and can be moved from one GPU to the other, and across companies.  When you buy an HG10, it is for that specific company, for that specific model.

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There is no issue with the VRM/VRAM.  Look at that above chart, the HG10 is only doing 3C better temps than a G10 without heatsinks.  Both of which are in the 40s, leaving you 60C of headroom.  VRMs are not an issue.  The results they are getting are much lower than normal.  People who do the G10 mod with a reference R9 290 usually go from 100C VRM temps down to 60/70C, without heatsinks.  Adding heatsinks drops an additional 10-15C off that temperature, but even without heatsinks you are well below the danger zone.

 

The HG10 isn't that great an option because it is only for reference cards, and it can't be used on other cards.  While it does work for your specific R9 290, that is what you are limited to.  Say if you upgrade in a few years, you can't move the HG10 over, whereas the G10 is more universal and can be moved from one GPU to the other, and across companies.  When you buy an HG10, it is for that specific company, for that specific model.

I really cant agree more with you,so  to put an end to all this i think i made up my mind and i will be going with the corsair hydro h75+kraken g10 and be done with it .

There is really no point in going with something other than this i think.