Australia's fibre rollout is officially dead.

[lak]

Is someone at Ubisoft paying Turnbull?

[Guest]

wut....

 

Tony Abbott's priorities.....

 

'OH, LET'S SPEND TENS OF BILLIONS ON THESE USELESS FIGHTER JETS!!! HMMM, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY...I KNOW!! WE CAN AXE ESSENTIAL HEALTHCARE SERVICES!!!! AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WHY NOT CUT THE NBN??'. - Tony Abbott's deluded reasoning. I honestly think that a 13 year old could lead this country better. (Not insulting their intelligence, of course.)

You clearly have no sense about world issues do you? China's flexing their muscles in the East China sea, Russia's on the brink of war with everyone and Indo is running out of space.

[Blake]

average DSL connection speed in Australia = 16Mb/s, yes there are people with disgustingly slow connections, but they are the exception not the rule.

Sorry but please don't pull figures out of your ass. 4665Kbp is the average connection speed for Australia, then when you consider the large population living in built-up areas/ up and down the east coast you will realize this is a dreadful speed. Sorry Mr Moose, but most of what you have said in this thread doesn't pass the sniff test. Also you might like to look at this with regards to Abbot http://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker/

[mr moose]

Sorry but please don't pull figures out of your ass. 4665Kbp is the average connection speed for Australia, then when you consider the large population living in built-up areas/ up and down the east coast you will realize this is a dreadful speed. Sorry Mr Moose, but most of what you have said in this thread doesn't pass the sniff test. Also you might like to look at this with regards to Abbot http://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker/

 

I think you had better do some research before actually accusing someone of making shit up.  You should read the 5-6 articles I have already linked in this thread which explain and evidence all that I have said.

 

 

Ookla's average line speed for Australia today is 16 Mbps.

 

 

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/9/9/technology/coalitions-nbn-speed-forecasts-are-right-track

 

If you have more information then post it and add to the discussion, but please don't just call bullshit because you don't like what your reading then fail to cite supporting evidence.

 

P.S have you got a fact check for every other government?  you probably wouldn't like to see the trend. 

[mr moose]

Is someone at Ubisoft paying Turnbull?

 

Mate he is either the best man for the job (having the most experiencing with tech companies (he owned ozemail)) or he is the most dangerous person in his position (for the same reason).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull

 

 

I guess how we feel will come down to perspective. I'll wait until I see the results of his cabinet portfolio before I judge him too harshly.

[Toddwjp]

Mate he is either the best man for the job (having the most experiencing with tech companies (he owned ozemail)) or he is the most dangerous person in his position (for the same reason).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull

 

 

I guess how we feel will come down to perspective. I'll wait until I see the results of his cabinet portfolio before I judge him too harshly.

 

 

how is tony abbot the leader of the liberal party, he's more rightwing that the uk conservatives?? or is it some sort of neo liberal nutcase party for rich people?

[Blake]

I think you had better do some research before actually accusing someone of making shit up.  You should read the 5-6 articles I have already linked in this thread which explain and evidence all that I have said.

 

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/9/9/technology/coalitions-nbn-speed-forecasts-are-right-track

 

If you have more information then post it and add to the discussion, but please don't just call bullshit because you don't like what your reading then fail to cite supporting evidence.

 

P.S have you got a fact check for every other government?  you probably wouldn't like to see the trend. 

 

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/australias-average-internet-speed-now-4-7mbps/

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/548714/australia_climbs_average_internet_connection_speed_world_rankings_/

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/australian-internet-access-picks-up-pace-but-global-ranking-drops-20140424-zqyw6.html

 

Before quoting ookla, read their http://www.netindex.com/faq.php and you will discover that the only way it would be accurate / a real representation is if every single Australian where to do a speedtest in the last 30 days. This does not happen. I know most people do not even know about the site.

 

Also yes, I do fact check most of what I hear, it is called being objective and having the amazing ability to critically analyse.

[Lord Gaben]

I just got that fiber plan yesterday

[Blake]

how is tony abbot the leader of the liberal party, he more rightwing that the uk conservatives?? or is it some sort of neo liberal nutcase party for rich people?

The issue is that the liberal party could never get elected, the national party could also never get elected, however together they get about the same as the labour party, so it now comes down to a swing vote every election. 

[mr moose]

how is tony abbot the leader of the liberal party, he more rightwing that the uk conservatives?? or is it some sort of neo liberal nutcase party for rich people?

In Australia the liberal party is right wing and the labor is left.

[ZacDaMan72]

I just got that fiber plan yesterday

Telecom/Spark or MyRepublic?

[mr moose]

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/australias-average-internet-speed-now-4-7mbps/

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/548714/australia_climbs_average_internet_connection_speed_world_rankings_/

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/australian-internet-access-picks-up-pace-but-global-ranking-drops-20140424-zqyw6.html

 

Before quoting ookla, read their http://www.netindex.com/faq.php and you will discover that the only way it would be accurate / a real representation is if every single Australian where to do a speedtest in the last 30 days. This does not happen. I know most people do not even know about the site.

 

Also yes, I do fact check most of what I hear, it is called being objective and having the amazing ability to critically analyse.

 

I see you've forgotten that those figures include mobile broadband which brings down the average significantly given more than half Australia's broadband connections are mobile.   

 

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/8153.0/

 

I said average DSL connection, not average connection overall. I was very specific about this because we are talking about FTTN versus FTTP nbn, we are not discussing mobile or satellite connectivity speeds.

 

 

EDIT: Because I forgot,  Ookla is one of the most in depth and trusted global sources for statistical analysis.

[mr moose]

The issue is that the liberal party could never get elected, the national party could also never get elected, however together they get about the same as the labour party, so it now comes down to a swing vote every election. forget it

 

Since 1923 but maybe 1917.

[Lord Gaben]

Telecom/Spark or MyRepublic?

Spark

[Lord Baal]

looks like I'll be stuck paying for 20/1 and getting 6.4/0.35 for much longer then I'd like even with the exchange about 1km away. My damn mobile phone gets better speeds then my DSL

[Blake]

I see you've forgotten that those figures include mobile broadband which brings down the average significantly given more than half Australia's broadband connections are mobile.   

 

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/8153.0/

 

I said average DSL connection, not average connection overall. I was very specific about this because we are talking about FTTN versus FTTP nbn, we are not discussing mobile or satellite connectivity speeds.

Looking at everthing you have posted, I still cannot see where your getting this 16mbps speed form. I can see "which typically only delivers speeds of up to 16Mbps" ( and "the median household would require 15 Mbps" ( http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/9/9/technology/coalitions-nbn-speed-forecasts-are-right-track ). Neither of these state an average. 

 

"around half of Australian households are more than 1.5 KM from their nearest exchange - and about 35 per cent of households are more than 2 KM from their exchange" http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/07/26/3554003.htm  (I look at this as being 15% <1.5km, 50% 1.5km->2km, and 35% >2km).

Then look at this graph, not mine but there are millions of them on Google (just search for ADSL speed graph):

Note that a lot of areas have only recently gotten ADSL2 yet are close to metro areas. The only figure that I could see for average DSL connections speeds was 5.8mbps, but that was "the best performing suburb", irrelevant when looking for a national average.

 

This is a report you might want to look at, just look at the data and draw your own conclusions - everyone knows that governmental reports will favor the government at the time unless it is a independent 3rd party such as the Henry reports -> http://www.communications.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/212535/Broadband_Availability_and_Quality_Report.pdf

[mr moose]

Looking at everthing you have posted, I still cannot see where your getting this 16mbps speed form. I can see "which typically only delivers speeds of up to 16Mbps" ( and "the median household would require 15 Mbps" ( http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/9/9/technology/coalitions-nbn-speed-forecasts-are-right-track ). Neither of these state an average. 

 

"around half of Australian households are more than 1.5 KM from their nearest exchange - and about 35 per cent of households are more than 2 KM from their exchange" http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/07/26/3554003.htm  (I look at this as being 15% <1.5km, 50% 1.5km->2km, and 35% >2km).

Then look at this graph, not mine but there are millions of them on Google (just search for ADSL speed graph):

Note that a lot of areas have only recently gotten ADSL2 yet are close to metro areas. The only figure that I could see for average DSL connections speeds was 5.8mbps, but that was "the best performing suburb", irrelevant when looking for a national average.

 

This is a report you might want to look at, just look at the data and draw your own conclusions - everyone knows that governmental reports will favor the government at the time unless it is a independent 3rd party such as the Henry reports -> http://www.communications.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/212535/Broadband_Availability_and_Quality_Report.pdf

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,18/Australia/

 

P.S ookla is independent of the government.

[Blake]

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,18/Australia/

 

P.S ookla is independent of the government.

http://www.netindex.com/faq.php look under number 2, tells you, as I said before, how they get arrive at their average speeds, even if you haven't done big boy maths, quantitative analyses tells you that the information cannot be accurate or a real representation.

[mr moose]

http://www.netindex.com/faq.php look under number 2, tells you, as I said before, how they get arrive at their average speeds, even if you haven't done big boy maths, quantitative analyses tells you that the information cannot be accurate or a real representation.

 

Oh dear,  sorry but when you are wrong, rather than try to dismiss a statistical tool used by many ISP's, governments, media and private industries,  you should look to understand why.  Also pro-tip: using derogatory language just makes you sound like a school boy having a tanty.  Because those who do "big boy math" pay license fees for ookla's data.

[Blake]

Oh dear,  sorry but when you are wrong, rather than try to dismiss a statistical tool used by many ISP's, governments, media and private industries,  you should look to understand why.  Also pro-tip: using derogatory language just makes you sound like a school boy having a tanty.  Because those who do "big boy math" pay license fees for ookla's data.

This isn't big boy maths, that is the point, it is showing that the sample size is not large enough, I even gave you the liberal report on this issue, if you don't even read it and look at the pretty pictures you can tell your argument is incorrect.

[mr moose]

This isn't big boy maths, that is the point, it is showing that the sample size is not large enough, I even gave you the liberal report on this issue, if you don't even read it and look at the pretty pictures you can tell your argument is incorrect.

 

??

 

Ookla say nothing about sample size other than they get the results from 5 million tests a day, how do you know it's too small?  are you making an assumption that by not using data older than 30 days their sample size is somehow limited? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Toddwjp]

This isn't big boy maths, that is the point, it is showing that the sample size is not large enough, I even gave you the liberal report on this issue, if you don't even read it and look at the pretty pictures you can tell your argument is incorrect.

 

ookla thing demonstrates how they average all there results it says nothing about sample size.

 

if anything ooklas method of averages will give you one of the most accurate results

[Blake]

??

 

Ookla say nothing about sample size other than they get the results from 5 million tests a day, how do you know it's too small?  are you making an assumption that by not using data older than 30 days their sample size is somehow limited? 

I know people on this forum would use it, but we are also more likely to pay for the better connection. Most people do not know of speedtest.net that is the point, that figure is going to be more indicative of the IT savy crowd. Which is why the other reports are more likely to be accurate.

 

Taken with the Liberal Government's report (posted above) and that only ~15% of uses will have 16mbps (adsl2) or 8mbps (adsl) (straight from the report). It isn't a leap to suggest that the average is closer to 5-6mbps.

[mr moose]

I know people on this forum would use it, but we are also more likely to pay for the better connection. Most people do not know of speedtest.net that is the point, that figure is going to be more indicative of the IT savy crowd. Which is why the other reports are more likely to be accurate.

 

Taken with the Liberal Government's report (posted above) and that only ~15% of uses will have 16mbps (adsl2) or 8mbps (adsl) (straight from the report). It isn't a leap to suggest that the average is closer to 5-6mbps.

 

Are you trying to saying that there is a higher density of tech savvy users in areas with faster net? because that is the only way a users understanding or enthusiasm for tech would correlate with such results.

 

From the report you linked:

 

 

> Approximately 3.1 million premises (28 per cent) have access to peak download speeds of between 25 megabits per second (Mbps) and 110 Mbps.

> Approximately 7.1 million premises (65 per cent) are in areas that have access to peak median download speeds of less than 24 Mbps over the copper network.

> About 0.7 million premises (6 per cent) are unable to access a fixed broadband service.

> Of premises with access to ADSL broadband services over copper, about 3.7 million are located in areas with an estimated peak median download speed of less than 9 Mbps, and 920,000 in areas with an estimated peak median download speed of less than 4.8 Mbps.

 

 

 

If you read this properly, 65% have peak connection speeds between upto 24Mb/s but about half of those (3.6Million are between 4Mb/s and 9Mb/s, 28% are above 24Mb/s and 920,000 below 4Mb/s.

This puts at least 60%+ of premises with 9Mb/s or above and that was in 2013. This lines up very well with ookla data and advertised connection speeds according to the ABS.

 

I fail to see where your argument actually makes any sense.

 

 

Also in support of what I said earlier in this thread:

 

The Australian Government has asked NBN Co, the company building the National Broadband Network (NBN), to prioritise the many Australians without adequate fixed line broadband in the rollout. To assist with the prioritisation of under-served areas, the Government asked the Department of Communications to undertake an analysis of broadband quality and availability in all areas of Australia.

 

 

 

This means those with the slowest speeds will get the NBN upgrades first.

[Dabombinable]

Are you trying to saying that there is a higher density of tech savvy users in areas with faster net? because that is the only way a users understanding or enthusiasm for tech would correlate with such results.

 

From the report you linked:

 

 

If you read this properly, 65% have peak connection speeds between upto 24Mb/s but about half of those (3.6Million are between 4Mb/s and 9Mb/s, 28% are above 24Mb/s and 920,000 below 4Mb/s.

This puts at least 60%+ of premises with 9Mb/s or above and that was in 2013. This lines up very well with ookla data and advertised connection speeds according to the ABS.

 

I fail to see where your argument actually makes any sense.

 

 

Also in support of what I said earlier in this thread:

 

 

This means those with the slowest speeds will get the NBN upgrades first.

What about those stuck with 8mbps wireless (no clue just how fast 4G is-its just fast) or dial-up?