"Why DSLR" convincing?

[Flight1sim]

 Ok, so I have the Canon G12, a pretty advanced Point-And-Shoot that can take pictures. (not good pictures, but meh)

 It excels in close up shots, portraits, and macros, but Suffers severly in anything else. Taking photos outside results in HORRIBLE sharpness (if you zoom in just a bit on the photo it looks like minecraft:P) and video is 720p 30FPS only, pretty low end at this point.

The fact that I get more pleasing images on the iphone 5 annoys me quite a bit (not necessarily BETTER technically, just looks more pleasing)

 I have my eyes on the Canon T3i, (or 650D) and the T5 (1200D) and maybe even the SL1 (100D)

But my only roadblock from actually getting one, is my dad..

He still thinks that getting a DSLR is like in the olden days (like 10 years ago) and thinks DSLR's are for SUPER experienced photographers, while really now, DSLR's have come to the point where they have models designed for beginner photographers. He thinks that because the images look bad on the G12, I will not use the DSLR to the full potential (thinks I dont know how to use the features properly , but I do.) 

Now I need some good convincing points for why we need a good DSLR rather than use our horrid G12 for the next 10 years

Thanks

[Juganog]

so why do you actually need one? 

[JoaoPRSousa]

He still thinks that getting a DSLR is like in the olden days (like 10 years ago) and thinks DSLR's are for SUPER experienced photographers, while really now, DSLR's have come to the point where they have models designed for beginner photographers. He thinks that because the images look bad on the G12, I will not use the DSLR to the full potential (thinks I dont know how to use the features properly , but I do.) 

 

Prove him wrong.

[79wjd]

I went from a G9 to D7000 myself, and holy crap...the difference is ridiculous; I'm by no means a professional photographer, but I love taking pictures and not only have I become much better at it, it's also a lot more fun as it's MUCH easier to play around with the settings on the fly (especially since I have a dedicated wheel for shutter speed and one for aperture, and with two auxiliary buttons I get on-the-fly control of ISO/white balance.

[Flight1sim]

so why do you actually need one? 

Pretty much the same reason why @djdwosk97 did, except with bragging rights as well ;P 

[Flyguygamer]

Show him the automatic and manual mods, take him to a local store and show him. I started with the t3i (600D) and just got a 70D.

Get it and dont look back.

[Clyne]

I went from a G9 to D7000 myself, and holy crap...the difference is ridiculous; I'm by no means a professional photographer, but I love taking pictures and not only have I become much better at it, it's also a lot more fun as it's MUCH easier to play around with the settings on the fly (especially since I have a dedicated wheel for shutter speed and one for aperture, and with two auxiliary buttons I get on-the-fly control of ISO/white balance.

High 5

I also have a D7000

I like the dual SD card slots.

[Flight1sim]

Prove him wrong.

My relative recently got a D5700 (nikon) and they'll bring it over one day which I will use to convince my dad that the DSLR is SO MUCH betar

[Fate]

Well let me just start by saying a better camera won't make you a better photographer.

 

Don't get the t5, it's the lowest end up-to-date Canon DSLR (it's not bad, there's just better options). Get a t5i if you like doing video as well (and you can afford it) if you can't, a t3i will do just fine.

 

Also, when you step into the DSLR world, you're likely going to spend much more on lenses than on the body (assuming you get into photography). 

You need (ok you don't need, but they help) a macro lens, telephoto lens, 35/50 1.8 for low light and super short DoF, super wide angle lens, etc. 

[Flight1sim]

Well let me just start by saying a better camera won't make you a better photographer.

 

Don't get the t5, it's the lowest end up-to-date Canon DSLR (it's not bad, there's just better options). Get a t5i if you like doing video as well (and you can afford it) if you can't, a t3i will do just fine.

 

Also, when you step into the DSLR world, you're likely going to spend much more on lenses than on the body (assuming you get into photography). 

You need (ok you don't need, but they help) a macro lens, telephoto lens, 35/50 1.8 for low light and super short DoF, super wide angle lens, etc. 

Im going to probably get the Kit lens at first, then get one of those value bundles with Filters, Lens Hoods, Lenses, and cleaners etc.

The T5 is dirt cheap on a trusted seller on ebay, but Im probably going with the T3i or SL1

IM not doing it to instantly take better picutres, I want to be able to fiddle with settings and make the photos I take "mine"

[LarsReviews]

What is about a Panasonic G5 or G6

[Flight1sim]

What is about a Panasonic G5 or G6

the G5 with kit lens is really expensive for me, Im trying to stay under the $500 USD budget for Body+Kit lens

[Clyne]

the G5 with kit lens is really expensive for me, Im trying to stay under the $500 USD budget for Body+Kit lens

D3300

Probably gonna be more expensive at Costco but it includes more things like SD card, lenses, camera bag, etc

[dizmo]

 Ok, so I have the Canon G12, a pretty advanced Point-And-Shoot that can take pictures. (not good pictures, but meh)

 It excels in close up shots, portraits, and macros, but Suffers severly in anything else. Taking photos outside results in HORRIBLE sharpness (if you zoom in just a bit on the photo it looks like minecraft:P) and video is 720p 30FPS only, pretty low end at this point.

The fact that I get more pleasing images on the iphone 5 annoys me quite a bit (not necessarily BETTER technically, just looks more pleasing)

 I have my eyes on the Canon T3i, (or 650D) and the T5 (1200D) and maybe even the SL1 (100D)

But my only roadblock from actually getting one, is my dad..

He still thinks that getting a DSLR is like in the olden days (like 10 years ago) and thinks DSLR's are for SUPER experienced photographers, while really now, DSLR's have come to the point where they have models designed for beginner photographers. He thinks that because the images look bad on the G12, I will not use the DSLR to the full potential (thinks I dont know how to use the features properly , but I do.) 

Now I need some good convincing points for why we need a good DSLR rather than use our horrid G12 for the next 10 years

Thanks

Looks more pleasing on screen, or on the computer/printed out? You have to remember the LCD on the Canon is shit. It's also quite old, so the processing won't be the best.

I'd probably go T3i or Nikon equivilant. Don't mess around with the really low end stuff.

You could always show your dad the sensor size difference between the two. It makes a difference, unlike film cameras (iirc) where it has less of an impact.

 

Also, when you step into the DSLR world, you're likely going to spend much more on lenses than on the body (assuming you get into photography). 

You need (ok you don't need, but they help) a macro lens, telephoto lens, 35/50 1.8 for low light and super short DoF, super wide angle lens, etc. 

Haha don't scare him! There's no real need for most of those lenses. I have a friend who does photoshoots etc pretty frequently and he has...one lens.

A really nice, all around lens is more than enough for most photographers for a good deal of the time, and definitely for the first year or two of learning.

 

the G5 with kit lens is really expensive for me, Im trying to stay under the $500 USD budget for Body+Kit lens

Check out the Nikon's as well, they can be had around the same price and have a really nice build.

Though, if you do get into it, it's best to pick a side early on.

[Fate]

Haha don't scare him! There's no real need for most of those lenses. I have a friend who does photoshoots etc pretty frequently and he has...one lens.

A really nice, all around lens is more than enough for most photographers for a good deal of the time, and definitely for the first year or two of learning.

Yea maybe I was over-exaggerating a bit, but lenses are addicting

[Flight1sim]

Looks more pleasing on screen, or on the computer/printed out? You have to remember the LCD on the Canon is shit. It's also quite old, so the processing won't be the best.

I'd probably go T3i or Nikon equivilant. Don't mess around with the really low end stuff.

You could always show your dad the sensor size difference between the two. It makes a difference, unlike film cameras (iirc) where it has less of an impact.

 

Haha don't scare him! There's no real need for most of those lenses. I have a friend who does photoshoots etc pretty frequently and he has...one lens.

A really nice, all around lens is more than enough for most photographers for a good deal of the time, and definitely for the first year or two of learning.

 

Check out the Nikon's as well, they can be had around the same price and have a really nice build.

Though, if you do get into it, it's best to pick a side early on.

Looks like poo on the computer after taking off SSD

And my dad said taht those liittle numbers won't make an actual difference, and showed me pics online taken by the G12, of course they were all Macro shots ;P

I dunno why, But I like Canon over anything else

[dizmo]

Yea maybe I was over-exaggerating a bit, but lenses are addicting

True but I'd take a nice piece of L glass over a bunch of $350 lenses any day

 

Looks like poo on the computer after taking off SSD

And my dad said taht those liittle numbers won't make an actual difference, and showed me pics online taken by the G12, of course they were all Macro shots ;P

I dunno why, But I like Canon over anything else

Yeah, Canon makes some nice stuff. The kit lens is good enough for quite a while, don't even worry about upgrading.

I'd look at the quality of the stuff you get in the kits though, a lot of the time it's really, really cheap garbage and you're better off spending the extra $20 and sourcing quality items yourself.

[Fate]

True but I'd take a nice piece of L glass over a bunch of $350 lenses any day

Agreed, my 70-200 is way sharper and has much better build quality than all of my other lenses. 

[Flight1sim]

Agreed, my 70-200 is way sharper and has much better build quality than all of my other lenses. 

 

True but I'd take a nice piece of L glass over a bunch of $350 lenses any day

 

Yeah, Canon makes some nice stuff. The kit lens is good enough for quite a while, don't even worry about upgrading.

I'd look at the quality of the stuff you get in the kits though, a lot of the time it's really, really cheap garbage and you're better off spending the extra $20 and sourcing quality items yourself.

hows this kit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T3i-600D-Body-3-Lens-Kit-18-55mm-IS-24GB-DSLR-Top-Value-Kit-/171452324086?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item27eb5ad8f6

[Fate]

hows this kit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T3i-600D-Body-3-Lens-Kit-18-55mm-IS-24GB-DSLR-Top-Value-Kit-/171452324086?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item27eb5ad8f6

Meh, it's basically just a bunch of cheap junk in that kit. You can get a used t3i for $350 and buy the rest of the stuff you need for ~$75-100. The stuff in that kit is probably like $35-50 total. 

[Flight1sim]

Meh, it's basically just a bunch of cheap junk in that kit. You can get a used t3i for $350 and buy the rest of the stuff you need for ~$75-100. The stuff in that kit is probably like $35-50 total. 

can you assist me on a good config of DSLR+Lens? Also filters if you can?

[Flight1sim]

@Fate also, isnt 2 of those lenses and all the other stuff Canon brand? (like high quality?)

The telephoto and wide angle seem to be the only ones that aren't canon

[Flight1sim]

And another thing, is it true that the T3i is just a T2i with the swiveling screen?

[Fate]

can you assist me on a good config of DSLR+Lens? Also filters if you can?

Just start out with the kit lens and maybe a 35/50mm 1.8 lens. The 35mm is a bit more wide angle but the 50mm is better for portraits (though still not the best) http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-Standard-AutoFocus-Lens/dp/B00005K47X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417650934&sr=8-3&keywords=50+1.8. As for the filters it really depends on what you're going to be doing, I personally don't use any (most of the time).

 

One thing that is a must is a nice sturdy tripod. I can't personally recommend one though because I really don't know which one would be good on a tight budget. 

 

The lens on the top-right (and on the camera) of that ebay ad is the kit lens, I'm not sure about the other two but they're probably cheap, unsharp and have a lot of chromatic aberration.

 

"And another thing, is it true that the T3i is just a T2i with the swiveling screen?" 

I think so, but the t4i has better video & a touch screen which is useful imo. 

The t5i is pretty much the same as a t4i.

If you're not going to be doing video go with the t2i/t3i (though the video on those two is just fine). 

Oldest to newest it goes t2i>t3i>t4i>t5i

[Flight1sim]

Just start out with the kit lens and maybe a 35/50mm 1.8 lens. The 35mm is a bit more wide angle but the 50mm is better for portraits (though still not the best) http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-Standard-AutoFocus-Lens/dp/B00005K47X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417650934&sr=8-3&keywords=50+1.8. As for the filters it really depends on what you're going to be doing, I personally don't use any (most of the time).

 

One thing that is a must is a nice sturdy tripod. I can't personally recommend one though because I really don't know which one would be good on a tight budget. 

 

The lens on the top-right (and on the camera) of that ebay ad is the kit lens, I'm not sure about the other two but they're probably cheap, unsharp and have a lot of chromatic aberration.

 

"And another thing, is it true that the T3i is just a T2i with the swiveling screen?" 

I think so, but the t4i has better video & a touch screen which is useful imo. 

The t5i is pretty much the same as a t4i.

If you're not going to be doing video go with the t2i/t3i (though the video on those two is just fine). 

Oldest to newest it goes t2i>t3i>t4i>t5i

So for that lens (please excuse my DSLR Noobiness)  can I mount other kit lenses to that lens? 

Are those telephoto and Macro lenses using a filter-type mount or something?

And finally, Does a normal Kit lens have Autofocus?