PS4 used game video comments

[Willson94]

I dont know why i bother with youtube comments....

 

RidleyKRO
A PC for 399 USD will still outperform a PS4.
 

James Willson
not for $400
 

RidleyKRO
Then you don't know how PCs work.
 

James Willson
Are you blind to my picture throw down a spec list then
 

RidleyKRO
Just search for it yourself, you lazy bastard. "PS4 specs", how hard can it be?
 

James Willson
And i win the internet.
 

RidleyKRO
whatever you say
 

[Bleedman0xx]

Don't feed the trolls.

[xToFxREAPER]

i found this video to be pretty pathetic and childish, yeah their just proving a point but for sony to post a video like that in my eyes is very immature childish and really quite pathetic, i actually lost the last bit of respect i had for sony just because of this video and honestly the xbone drm's dont bother me much anyway, personally i have never lent a game to a friend and i rarely ever traded games when i still played consoles and in all reality its not really any different then pc..  and looking at the online checks every 24 hours whats it matter.. if your buying and xbone then its doubtful your not gonna have internet, If i was to buy an xbone it would be purely to play online with friends that dont wanna convert to pc and thats what most other people will be buying it for as well so whats the big deal? i really think people are making a big stink over things that really dont matter that much

[heineygoat]

God I hate this mind set sh*t it pisses me off. Even Elric from Newegg made a video about building a PS4 with PC hardware of the same price range, wtf man seriously?

 

Even he is that bat-sh*t stupid? They have no idea about the software optimization benefits of a closed system.

 

A PC with an AMD APU and 8gb of ram would be pathetic compared to a ps4.

 

[Vitalius]

God I hate this mind set sh*t it pisses me off. Even Elric from Newegg made a video about building a PS4 with PC hardware of the same price range, wtf man seriously?

Even he is that bat-sh*t stupid? They have no idea about the software optimization benefits of a closed system.

A PC with an AMD APU and 8gb of ram would be pathetic compared to a ps4.

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I'm glad someone else gets it. IMO, price to performance wise, consoles are best for gaming.

Yes you get more utility out of a PC, but strictly for gaming (plus the added things like Netflix and such), consoles are best.

$400 for an 8GB of GDDR5 with a customized APU is amazing. It's basically trading the utility of a PC for more gaming power money-wise. In other words, you pay $400 and get more video game ability but lose some utility rather than paying $600-$800 for both. Which some people are interested in.

PC is still master race, but price-wise, if all you want is gaming, consoles are the way to go imo.

It stays this way because consoles tend to get price cuts as time goes on. A PS3 is currently about $200 on it's own. You can't build a PC with the gaming power of a PS3 for that much money. Bundles (2 controllers + 2 games) cost $280 or so. That's a pretty good deal.

[heineygoat]

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I'm glad someone else gets it. IMO, price to performance wise, consoles are best for gaming.

Yes you get more utility out of a PC, but strictly for gaming (plus the added things like Netflix and such), consoles are best for gaming.

$400 for an 8GB of GDDR5 with a customized APU is amazing. It's basically trading the utility of a PC for more gaming power money-wise. In other words, you pay $400 and get more video game ability but lose some utility rather than paying $600-$800 for both. Which some people are interested in.

PC is still master race, but price-wise, if all you want is gaming, consoles are the way to go imo.

It stays this way because consoles tend to get price cuts as time goes on. A PS3 is currently about $200 on it's own. You can't build a PC with the gaming power of a PS3 for that much money. Bundles (2 controllers + 2 games) cost $280 or so. That's a pretty good deal.

Yep, so many PC fanboys are too close minded and stupid to accept it. I spend thousands on my PC and I never use my ps3 (trying to sell it in fact), and I will hands down admit and agree with this ^

 

It's easy to forget though that PC games are WAY cheaper. I think I have like 100 games in my Steam library. if you're going to buy that many games on a console than PC would be cheaper overall.

 

Console games actually cost $120 in Australia, wtf lol? Really glad im not a sucker for that market.

[Artorias]

Vitalius, on 13 Jun 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

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I'm glad someone else gets it. IMO, price to performance wise, consoles are best for gaming.

Yes you get more utility out of a PC, but strictly for gaming (plus the added things like Netflix and such), consoles are best for gaming.

$400 for an 8GB of GDDR5 with a customized APU is amazing. It's basically trading the utility of a PC for more gaming power money-wise. In other words, you pay $400 and get more video game ability but lose some utility rather than paying $600-$800 for both. Which some people are interested in.

PC is still master race, but price-wise, if all you want is gaming, consoles are the way to go imo.

It stays this way because consoles tend to get price cuts as time goes on. A PS3 is currently about $200 on it's own. You can't build a PC with the gaming power of a PS3 for that much money. Bundles (2 controllers + 2 games) cost $280 or so. That's a pretty good deal.

Hate to say it, but this is true. You can't beat a PS4 w/ a $400 budget for a custom PC for gaming. But we could all agree after 2-3yrs, even a $400 custom PC can do the same or better than this consoles for gaming. As a budget builder. I can clearly confirm this.

Edit: Wrong usage of word :P

Edited June 13, 2013 by Artorias

[Ineko]

Hate to say it, but this is true. You can't beat a PS4 w/ a $400 budget for a custom PC for gaming. At least for now, but after 2-3yrs. even a $400 custom PC would mop the floor w/ this consoles for gaming.

 

Wouldn't say "mop the floor" more like "keep up"

[Artorias]

Wouldn't say "mop the floor" more like "keep up"

Just edited my original post. Sorry about the wrong usage of words. :P @Vitalius is just telling the truth. We can all confirm this.

[david cassar]

Tbh the ps4 is much better than any pc at 400 dollars. For 400 dollars in pc terms you could get either an apu system or an hd 7770 and the ps4 has a gpu with similar performance to hd 7850-hd 7870. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[Vitalius]

Hate to say it, but this is true. You can't beat a PS4 w/ a $400 budget for a custom PC for gaming. But we could all agree after 2-3yrs, even a $400 custom PC can do the same or better than this consoles for gaming. As a budget builder. I can clearly confirm this.

Edit: Wrong usage of word :P

Yes, and in 2-3 years the PS4 will cost $200-$300. That's my point.

I will also agree that consoles are bad for "long term" and PC's are better as heineygoat pointed out, games are cheaper. Plus you can upgrade. And, the $400+ you spend on a PC will last much longer than the $400 you spend on a console. Especially if that's on the Case, PSU, and RAM as those are the things that last longest through multiple builds (usually).

I bought the THQ pack for like $25 and it had over $200 worth of games in it (Saint's Row 2 & 3, Darksiders 1 & 2, just to name a few). Steam sales are the best.

I'm still using my 8GB (4 X 2GB) of RAM from 2010 and still have no real need to upgrade and won't for a while (let's hope the 8GB of RAM in the PS4/Xbox One push games to make more/better use of RAM).

Yep, so many PC fanboys are too close minded and stupid to accept it. I spend thousands on my PC and I never use my ps3 (trying to sell it in fact), and I will hands down admit and agree with this ^

It's easy to forget though that PC games are WAY cheaper. I think I have like 100 games in my Steam library. if you're going to buy that many games on a console than PC would be cheaper overall.

Console games actually cost $120 in Australia, wtf lol? Really glad im not a sucker for that market.

Agreed. I feel sorry for Australia. I'd never go there. Everything is big enough to kill you (big enough to have health bars even). High prices on games+hardware. No guns (I'm from Texas. I enjoy guns.). Etc.

Hypocritically, I want to go to Japan.

@david cassar, you are right. Equivalent of a 7850-7870 indeed. More VRAM too basically. I wish I could figure out how to edit a quote into a post. D:<

[Artorias]

David Cassar, you are right. Equivalent of a 7850-7870 indeed. More VRAM too basically. I wish I could figure out how to edit a quote into a post. D:<

Just click on the part of the quote you want to edit, lol. :P

[Vitalius]

Just click on the part of the quote you want to edit, lol. :P

No, I want to take a message I've already posted and edit it to put a quote in it the same way it appears when you reply. However, I can't do that. You can't copy/paste as it appears like this: 

Artorias, on 13 Jun 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

Just click on the part of the quote you want to edit, lol.

And you can't just hand-type it in via code because the quote system uses your name, your post number, and a timestamp. The post number and time stamp are universal (meaning your post is like number 300,000+ on LTT's forums) so there's no way to know what post it is without quoting it, posting another post with just that quote, then editing that post to see the code used to know the timestamp, but then you've already made a needless post. 

The same is true of the timestamp. It's not "June, 14th 2013 @ 2:30" or wtv. It's a string of numbers like this: 1937438364. That means you need to do the whole "post it, edit it" to find the numbers you need to edit it into a post.

It's frustrating. D:<

Am I missing something?

[rashdanml]

It's always the same see-saw effect. Console is better value on launch, the specs for that price is amazing. Give it a couple of years and that advantage goes away, and that's considering the differences in console optimizations.

 

Then again, consoles do sell at a loss, making up for it through game sales. There's that to consider. Actual unit cost might be higher for the hardware it comes with.

 

It was pretty easy to build a $400 PC to outperform the current generation of consoles as of 3 years ago. It'll be a similar story this time around too.

 

e: I generally use launch price when building a PC to outperform a console, simply because that's the initial value of it.

[Vitalius]

It's always the same see-saw effect. Console is better value on launch, the specs for that price is amazing. Give it a couple of years and that advantage goes away, and that's considering the differences in console optimizations.

 

Then again, consoles do sell at a loss, making up for it through game sales. There's that to consider. Actual unit cost might be higher for the hardware it comes with.

 

It was pretty easy to build a $400 PC to outperform the current generation of consoles as of 3 years ago. It'll be a similar story this time around too.

You seem to be ignoring what I said a little bit.

The current consoles don't cost $400. They cost $200. Try and build a PC that can outperform them for $200. <== My point.

These consoles apparently *don't* sell at a loss. Sony mentioned they are making a profit on them apparently, though it's more than likely a small one on each system. How, I have no idea. That was very true (that they sell at a loss) for this generation (PS3, Xbox 360) though.

[rashdanml]

I edited the post as you were replying >.> I don't consider price-cuts. There's a whole bunch of reasons for having price-cuts, and every retailer does it differently regardless of the MSRP. The most consistent "cost" of a console is the initial or current MSRP. Even then, it's technically still possible cutting corners in the right places to match console performance (as far as gaming is concerned anyway).

 

edit: If you want to quote your own post, click on Quote right next to it.

[Vitalius]

I edited the post as you were replying >.> I don't consider price-cuts. There's a whole bunch of reasons for having price-cuts, and every retailer does it differently regardless of the MSRP. The most consistent "cost" of a console is the initial or current MSRP. Even then, it's technically still possible cutting corners in the right places to match console performance (as far as gaming is concerned anyway).

My bad, I'm sort of quick to reply (as you can see).

I consider it as if I'm deciding between a PC and console and want gaming potential in the short term. So I use the current price (approximate based on pricing across various retailers averaged together). For example, walmart sells a PS3 bundle for $270 (no tax) that comes with 2 controllers and 2 games. So I guesstimate the price to be $200 for the console itself (likely less as 1 controller is $60 by itself).

Or I use Gamestop's pricing on a new PS3 outside of the bundle. Either or. 

[gjrud]

i found this video to be pretty pathetic and childish, yeah their just proving a point but for sony to post a video like that in my eyes is very immature childish and really quite pathetic, i actually lost the last bit of respect i had for sony just because of this video and honestly the xbone drm's dont bother me much anyway, personally i have never lent a game to a friend and i rarely ever traded games when i still played consoles and in all reality its not really any different then pc..  and looking at the online checks every 24 hours whats it matter.. if your buying and xbone then its doubtful your not gonna have internet, If i was to buy an xbone it would be purely to play online with friends that dont wanna convert to pc and thats what most other people will be buying it for as well so whats the big deal? i really think people are making a big stink over things that really dont matter that much

For you it may no matter, but for other it does, please refrain from diminishing others people opinion just because they differ from your. I, as an example, can't help myself from not trusting Microsoft rather than my connection: I saw what happended to diablo 3, uplay, origin and online passes in general and no matter how much they reassured the user base, there were (and still are) problems. (I forgot to mention kinect and the fact that many users consider it an useless gimmick, oh well)

Whenever a system in place negatively affects a sensible portion of consumers I will have the urge to try and defend their position, even if I'm not directly involved by the issue caused (for example the lack of adjustable FoV in first and third person games causing motion sickness to some), because if you don't establish a limit there will be one day that you will be affected and it may be too late to react (I actually think it's already too late and that whatever "crap" a company will pull out people will buy anyway, I just hope I'm wrong).

 

I respect your support for this console, but I ask you to acknowledge that other's people complains are equally valid and should be treated as such. I would argue that the majority of xbox 360 owners never played a game online but like you I don't have any source to back my assumption.

 

I apologize for my English.

[xToFxREAPER]

For you it may no matter, but for other it does, please refrain from diminishing others people opinion just because they differ from your. I, as an example, can't help myself from not trusting Microsoft rather than my connection: I saw what happended to diablo 3, uplay, origin and online passes in general and no matter how much they reassured the user base, there were (and still are) problems. (I forgot to mention kinect and the fact that many users consider it an useless gimmick, oh well)

Whenever a system in place negatively affects a sensible portion of consumers I will have the urge to try and defend their position, even if I'm not directly involved by the issue caused (for example the lack of adjustable FoV in first and third person games causing motion sickness to some), because if you don't establish a limit there will be one day that you will be affected and it may be too late to react (I actually think it's already too late and that whatever "crap" a company will pull out people will buy anyway, I just hope I'm wrong).

 

I respect your support for this console, but I ask you to acknowledge that other's people complains are equally valid and should be treated as such. I would argue that the majority of xbox 360 owners never played a game online but like you I don't have any source to back my assumption.

 

I apologize for my English.

im not by any means saying their opinions dont matter all i saying is that the amount of hate towards microsoft for implementing and enforcing a drm to prevent piracy and cheating isnt a bad thing, it urks me how close minded everyone has been, but the video that sony posted is extremely childish and immature on their part, i would expect a large company to be above such tactics

[gjrud]

im not by any means saying their opinions dont matter all i saying is that the amount of hate towards microsoft for implementing and enforcing a drm to prevent piracy and cheating isnt a bad thing, it urks me how close minded everyone has been, but the video that sony posted is extremely childish and immature on their part, i would expect a large company to be above such tactics

You think it will prevent piracy? I bet that in a month there will be a custom firmware that will "fix" the "ping home" check (or the same exact thing they did to crack Origin's games that used a very similar check). As always it's not the pirate to be affected but rather the legit consumers. You first say that our opinions matter but you define them close minded.

 

About the video: Don't you think that Microsoft mocking iphone and android with their Windows 8 commercial is doing the same?

the ones mocking google docks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUJa7Ng2xg (there are many similar by them, same message)

It's been pretty standard for many companies to do commercials to put competitors under a bad light recently, at least Sony had the decency to not actually make any name in it.

(it's still pretty stupid, but not as stupid as previous examples made by apple, samsung, microsoft, nokia, etc.)

[Vitalius]

im not by any means saying their opinions dont matter all i saying is that the amount of hate towards microsoft for implementing and enforcing a drm to prevent piracy and cheating isnt a bad thing, it urks me how close minded everyone has been, but the video that sony posted is extremely childish and immature on their part, i would expect a large company to be above such tactics

It is childish, but childish things deserve childish responses. I treat things other people do based on how they themselves treat it. 

If they want to treat us like children and watch us all the time to prevent us from doing "bad stuff", I'm going to treat them like children just the same.

They are mocking Microsoft, which I am fine with because Microsoft made a bad decision and thereby should be mocked so they understand this (even though they likely won't).

And you obviously don't understand big corporations. Expecting them to have "standards" that interfere with their profit is silly. If they can take a dig at the competition to help be known (good publicity) and get more sales, they'll do it. This is one of those things.

[xToFxREAPER]

You think it will prevent piracy? I bet that in a month there will be a custom firmware that will "fix" the "ping home" check (or the same exact thing they did to crack Origin's games that used a very similar check). As always it's not the pirate to be affected but rather the legit consumers. You first say that our opinions matter but you define them close minded.

 

About the video: Don't you think that Microsoft mocking iphone and android with their Windows 8 commercial is doing the same?

the ones mocking google docks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUJa7Ng2xg (there are many similar by them, same message)

It's been pretty standard for many companies to do commercials to put competitors under a bad light recently, at least Sony had the decency to not actually make any name in it.

(it's still pretty stupid, but not as stupid as previous examples made by apple, samsung, microsoft, nokia, etc.)

maybe maybe not, i dont think that will happen i think Microsoft will have the os locked down pretty well.. they learnt alot from xbox 360 and patch said exploits very quickly.. personally i dont know anyone that doesnt have xbox live gold so they like myself wont even notice what many are saying is a problem.. its been done on pc for a long time now and people dont complain about that so i dont see what makes it so bad on a console and i know many companies have used the same tactics it just disgusts me to see said tactics used. either way im not trying to say the xbox one is better then the ps4 nor am i trying to say ps4 is better.. i just think people are just blowing things so far out of proportion and its just getting really stupid

[xToFxREAPER]

It is childish, but childish things deserve childish responses. I treat things other people do based on how they themselves treat it. 

If they want to treat us like children and watch us all the time to prevent us from doing "bad stuff", I'm going to treat them like children just the same.

They are mocking Microsoft, which I am fine with because Microsoft made a bad decision and thereby should be mocked so they understand this (even though they likely won't).

And you obviously don't understand big corporations. Expecting them to have "standards" that interfere with their profit is silly. If they can take a dig at the competition to help be known (good publicity) and get more sales, they'll do it. This is one of those things.

oh i get it and i didnt exactly mean standards i just figured sony had won enough that they shouldnt need to use such tactics.. i agree with you on alot of points but at the same time the online checks arent really as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be and that may be just because im so use to steam and origin after being a pc gamer for the past few years its a similar idea, i dont agree with the forced kinect bar though.. that one is stupid but i would imagine you could just unplug it