Posted November 24, 2014 So iv'e had the asus xonar essence for coming up to a year now and still haven't got any nice headphones. I was looking at spending up to £300 but i'd like to stay under £250 if possible. I'm gonna be using them for music, pretty much all kinds of music but i would still like surround because i do game and watch films too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 "Audiophiles" owns a soundcard and has no clue on good headphones. Sorry, just annoys me when people chase the oh so great "audiophiles" snake oil at best mate. i7 5930k . 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666 DDR4 . Gigabyte GA-X99-Gaming G1-WIFI . Zotac GeForce GTX 980 AMP! 4GB SLi . Crucial M550 1TB SSD . LG BD . Fractal Design Define R2 Black Pearl . SuperFlower Leadex Gold 750w . BenQ GW2765HT 2560x1440 . CM Storm QF TK MX Blue . SteelSeries Rival i5 2500k/ EVGA Z68SLi/ FX 8320/ Phenom II B55 x4/ MSI 790FX-GD70/ G.skill Ripjaws X 1600 8GB kit/ Geil Black Dragon 1600 4GB kit/ Sapphire Ref R9 290/ XFX DD GHOST 7770 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 Author Hahaha yeah i know i'm pretty shit with audio equipment The "audiophile" use in the title was just for attention and yeah iv'e heard that soundcards aren't amazing and you should use other means to get better audio but it was recommend to me so i just bought it. But do you have any suggestion? Of course iv'e got ideas on some good headphones but just wanted a more experienced opinion than random threads online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 HD 600 or 650 - enough impedance to get over the dampening factor and sensitive enough to not tax the amplifier circuit. PC Build in LTT Gallery - JBL J88 - Fostex T50RP (Modded) - Pioneer SE-A1000 vs audio-technica ATH-AD500X - Skullcandy Aviator audio-technica ATH-T400 - CHC Silverado and Laredo - Clip-On Headphone Roundup - Sony LinkBuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 Author The HD 600's look like a good shout, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 The HD 600's look like a good shout, thanks Don't be afraid to go used. PC Build in LTT Gallery - JBL J88 - Fostex T50RP (Modded) - Pioneer SE-A1000 vs audio-technica ATH-AD500X - Skullcandy Aviator audio-technica ATH-T400 - CHC Silverado and Laredo - Clip-On Headphone Roundup - Sony LinkBuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 24, 2014 Author yeah just found loads of second hand pairs for cheap, thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 25, 2014 Other options are DT770/880/990 and AKG series, K612,701,712, also ATH-AD700/AD900 are a good option too. If you like the sound signature of sennheiser then yea, go for HD600. AMD FX-8350 @4GHz / Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 / G.Skill RipJaw X 8GB 1866Mhz / Samsung 840 120GB SSD / Sapphire R9 270X Toxic / Corsair CX500 / Fractal Design Define R4 / Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue / Xiaomi Piston 2.0 / Steelseries Sensei / LG G3 32GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 25, 2014 HD518 - HD558 are good options as well, they're similar to the sound signature of the 600's. Cheaper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 25, 2014 HD 600 or 650 - enough impedance to get over the dampening factor and sensitive enough to not tax the amplifier circuit. Yep, 3rd this motion! Don't be afraid to go used. Yes, if OP can score one used for a good price, why the heck not? Besides, used cans are already 'burnt in' so you don't have to waste time burning them in. My HD800 and Beyer DT990/600 and the soon to be had Audeze LCD2.2 are used, fact is, other than the HD555, Klipsch Image One BT, Ety ER 6 SE215, all other cans and IEM's are used. Yep, I buy used audio hardware.....and proud of it! B) Main Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + Tt Water 3.0 ARGB 360 AIO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600C16 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Topre Type Heaven + Seenda Ergonomic W/L Vertical Mouse + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 3900X + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS) | 2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Keychron K2 + Logitech G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 25, 2014 Author Thanks for all the replies. Think i'm gonna go with some used HD 600's, some really good deals pop up some websites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 25, 2014 "Audiophiles" owns a soundcard and has no clue on good headphones. Sorry, just annoys me when people chase the oh so great "audiophiles" snake oil at best mate. He was asking "audiophiles" for help. Not self-proclaiming to be an audiophile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 HD600, DT990 Premium, DT880, Hi-Fi man HE-400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Yep, 3rd this motion! Yes, if OP can score one used for a good price, why the heck not? Besides, used cans are already 'burnt in' so you don't have to waste time burning them in. My HD800 and Beyer DT990/600 and the soon to be had Audeze LCD2.2 are used, fact is, other than the HD555, Klipsch Image One BT, Ety ER 6 SE215, all other cans and IEM's are used. Yep, I buy used audio hardware.....and proud of it! B) If it weren't for the voodoo talk about burn-in I'd commend you for completely agreeing with me. PC Build in LTT Gallery - JBL J88 - Fostex T50RP (Modded) - Pioneer SE-A1000 vs audio-technica ATH-AD500X - Skullcandy Aviator audio-technica ATH-T400 - CHC Silverado and Laredo - Clip-On Headphone Roundup - Sony LinkBuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 If it weren't for the voodoo talk about burn-in I'd commend you for completely agreeing with me. Heh, I hate to waste time and energy burning in cans, I've heard some cans take up to 100 hours to 'burn in'.....don't got time for that! Main Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + Tt Water 3.0 ARGB 360 AIO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600C16 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Topre Type Heaven + Seenda Ergonomic W/L Vertical Mouse + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 3900X + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS) | 2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Keychron K2 + Logitech G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 I'm hearing more voodoo from you again. Suh prize. In Placebo We Trust - Resident Obnoxious Objective Fangirl (R.O.O.F) - Your Eyes Cannot Hear Haswell Overclocking Guide | Skylake Overclocking Guide | Can my amp power my headphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Heh, I hate to waste time and energy burning in cans, I've heard some cans take up to 100 hours to 'burn in'.....don't got time for that! Burn-ins, Myth or Legend? With all the cross opinions, some say true, some say not true, I'm guessing it's true, with a condition. Perhaps, and it's a big perhaps, in the past, the membrane's materials used were very rigid out of the factory, and do require burn-ins. With technological advancements, perhaps they replace it with newer material that are more consistent in its flexibility. Only speculation though... I'm hearing more voodoo from you again. Suh prize. Never diss Voodoo!! It was the only contender to the almighty Nvidia, so much that Nvidia got scared and bought the company to eliminate a threat.... HE-400 personal review , ATH-AD700 personal review, Aune T1 MK2 personal review, Lepai A2020+ personal review, Field report of Jakarta USF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Hey creatip, do me a favor, don't quote DW if he's commenting about my post (if possible), he's on my ignore list as he seems to have an issue with me. I don't wish to see his nitpicking whatever I say.... Main Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + Tt Water 3.0 ARGB 360 AIO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600C16 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Topre Type Heaven + Seenda Ergonomic W/L Vertical Mouse + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 3900X + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS) | 2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Keychron K2 + Logitech G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Look at me, I spent moneys on gears, so I must know what I'm talking about! In Placebo We Trust - Resident Obnoxious Objective Fangirl (R.O.O.F) - Your Eyes Cannot Hear Haswell Overclocking Guide | Skylake Overclocking Guide | Can my amp power my headphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Hey creatip, do me a favor, don't quote DW if he's commenting about my post (if possible), he's on my ignore list as he seems to have an issue with me. I don't wish to see his nitpicking whatever I say.... Maybe because you're wrong? Just a thought. My personal rig - 4790k 4.8Ghz, Asus Z97 Pro (wi-fi ac), Corsair Dominator Plat 4x8GB, SLI GTX 1080 TI FE, Samsung 850 Evo 1TB, Crucial MX100 512GB, EVGA G3 1000W, and cooled by a hardline liquid cooling loop. Safe Practices and Complete Guide to Buying/Selling on the Classifieds and other forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Burn in is 100% true. That doesn't mean you should speak like it makes a huge difference. If it did make a difference, there's be more cases of the sound going from good to worse, and I've only heard one eccentric friend say this about one headphone. PC Build in LTT Gallery - JBL J88 - Fostex T50RP (Modded) - Pioneer SE-A1000 vs audio-technica ATH-AD500X - Skullcandy Aviator audio-technica ATH-T400 - CHC Silverado and Laredo - Clip-On Headphone Roundup - Sony LinkBuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 The person getting used to the sound signature of the headphone, etc, far outweighs whatever "gains" (and always gains?) from burn-in. It's also very prone to placebo and bias. And also, my reply to his comment was a reference to another one of his posts in another thread. Anyways, to the OP, it might actually make sense to sell the sound card and use that money on headphones instead. What exactly are you using the STX for? Cuz' Dolby Headphones sucks. Sooooo much. In Placebo We Trust - Resident Obnoxious Objective Fangirl (R.O.O.F) - Your Eyes Cannot Hear Haswell Overclocking Guide | Skylake Overclocking Guide | Can my amp power my headphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 Maybe because you're wrong? Just a thought.I am always willing to listen as I am in the process of learning. But let me emphasize, I am willing to listen but it doesn't mean that I have to heed whatever advice that is given. When questions are asked about audio, they are objective in nature, but answers and/or advice are invariably subjective in nature. There is no answer that is the gospel truth. It is up to the person asking to make value judgement based on what he can glean from the subjective advice/answers given. If you say I am wrong, I am willing to listen to you elaborate as to why I am wrong, as long as you do 't resort insults and whatnot, educate away. Main Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + Tt Water 3.0 ARGB 360 AIO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600C16 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Topre Type Heaven + Seenda Ergonomic W/L Vertical Mouse + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 3900X + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS) | 2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Keychron K2 + Logitech G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 I am always willing to listen as I am in the process of learning. But let me emphasize, I am willing to listen but it doesn't mean that I have to heed whatever advice that is given. When questions are asked about audio, they are objective in nature, but answers and/or advice are invariably subjective in nature. There is no answer that is the gospel truth. It is up to the person asking to make value judgement based on what he can glean from the subjective advice/answers given. If you say I am wrong, I am willing to listen to you elaborate as to why I am wrong, as long as you do 't resort insults and whatnot, educate away. ShearMe already said pretty much what I was going to say 2 posts above this one. Burn-in is fairly negligible. I used to think burn-in was a thing too because that's what Jlabs audio told me when I bought their IEMs. I tried it and couldn't hear a difference. I haven't heard a difference in any of my other numerous headphones after burn-in either. My personal rig - 4790k 4.8Ghz, Asus Z97 Pro (wi-fi ac), Corsair Dominator Plat 4x8GB, SLI GTX 1080 TI FE, Samsung 850 Evo 1TB, Crucial MX100 512GB, EVGA G3 1000W, and cooled by a hardline liquid cooling loop. Safe Practices and Complete Guide to Buying/Selling on the Classifieds and other forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 26, 2014 ShearMe already said pretty much what I was going to say 2 posts above this one. Burn-in is fairly negligible. I used to think burn-in was a thing too because that's what Jlabs audio told me when I bought their IEMs. I tried it and couldn't hear a difference. I haven't heard a difference in any of my other numerous headphones after burn-in either. I didn't mean to imply that it made much difference in the first place. I buy my cans used, with the understanding that I can return them no questions asked. With a used pair of cans, it's been burnt in, thus the sound I get from the can, if it agrees with me, it's the sound I'm willing to pay for. That is basically what I'd meant when I was talking about burn in, NOT that it made a world of difference. Also, I did talk about objective questions and subjective answers.....some swear this or that made a huge difference, others swear they hear little to no difference. Hence, my attitude towards audio, I glean whatever info I can get from questions raised, and make my own judgement. After all, if the DAC/AMP/Cans/Audio source give me the kind of sound I sought or want, that should be all that matters. Main Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + Tt Water 3.0 ARGB 360 AIO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600C16 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Topre Type Heaven + Seenda Ergonomic W/L Vertical Mouse + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 3900X + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS) | 2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Keychron K2 + Logitech G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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