1ms vs 5ms? HELP D: ^-^

[Sarabethq]

Hello! I know there are a couple of posts about 1ms vs 5ms but I wanted to post one myself. So I am going to be building my gaming pc soon and I

 

want to purchase the monitors I've been on a mac since 2012 so I havent had the best of the best esp for gaming. Do you really notice the difference

 

between 1ms and 5ms esp since I've been on a mac all this time. Mainly I want to get an ips monitor for the colors I would play games like LoL, cs:go,

 

CoD etc. I've been stuck between 1ms and 5ms help!

[Lord Pantaloons]

No the advertised response time is always grey to grey and that doesn't reflect actual performance. Don't get suckered into that marketing garbage, most IPS panels will have an actual response time of around 12ms which is nothing compared to all of the other sources of lag you're dealing with. The only thing you shouldn't do is get a Tv as they have very slow response times.

[79wjd]

You won't notice a difference; go IPS. 

[LemonSpice]

I doubt you'll notice a difference; most people can't 

some can though it is actually

[Rangelov]

I use a IPS panel with a 5ms gtg time. I play dota 2 CS:GO and other games that people say you need 1ms gtg monitor. I do not see any difference. Keep in mind that the IPS panels look better color wise than the TNs.

[Tacitus]

1 ms = 0.001 second

5ms = 0.005 second.

The human eye takes 300 - 400 ms to blink (0.3 - 0.4 second), when was the last time you noticed yourself blink?

 

There's no way you'll notice 0.004 second's difference.

[xToFxREAPER]

Some will notice the difference others wont, I personally can see the difference and its typically called ghosting from what i recall, Youll see an after image left behind whenever quick movements happen (such as a quick turn to shoot someone) Some of my friends cant see it at all while i notice it every time. Some ips panels are worse for it then others and ive seen some from asus (i think it was them) that have an anti ghosting tech built into them to reduce said after image. I dont think having a 1ms tn panel will give you an advantage at all, Ive been using 5ms IPS panels for 2 years now in cod, Crysis 3 (cell vs rebel is a ton of fun) among others and my performance doesnt change from switching to a 1ms tn panel. I would happily recommend an IPS panel for the fantastic image they provide.

 

Edit - I should note, tn's can have ghosting as well but typically not as bad

[Timmy-P]

-snip-

So...

It's not meant to give an advantage, but rather to improve visual quality via reduction of ghosting?

[Grrizz]

So...

It's not meant to give an advantage, but rather to improve visual quality via reduction of ghosting?

Yea it has more to do with motion clarity then visual latency, personally I much prefer IPSs because of their other properties however I do notice the ghosting in certain circumstances, a lot of the time its un-noticeable though it depends a lot on the scene and the contrast between adjacent pixels, forest canopies are one good example where there are particularly bright spots shining between the darker underside of leaves constantly moving in the wind but its worth noting just because its a TN doesn't mean it wont have ghosting, from what I understand there is no grey-to-grey standard so its up to the manufacturer to decided what % greys they're timing between (and that's usually not listed in the spec ).

[GoodBytes]

Lord Pantaloons is correct... well mostly.

Response time is a meaningless figure, as the measure is from gray to gray, and these 2 gray colors are different between manufactures, even different between series of monitors. Back in the early days of LCD monitor, you used to have white to black response time. But these figures looked always bad. And people ignored 'g-t-g' and 'w-t-b' denotation, and looked at the number. So it was found that consumers were buying more the monitors with the lowest response time number, despite being gray to gray, and possibly getting a slower one than a white to black measurement.

Manufactures defense is that the real reason why they only provide gray to gray, is that they say that it reflects real world performance for which the monitor will undergo.

So I'll let you do the conclusion here, but it is not a figure to compare with.

However, Lord Pantaloons comment on actual response time, is not true.

[Glenwing]

Here's something I posted earlier on the topic:
 

What you described is called input latency or input lag, the time delay between performing an action and seeing it happen on the screen.  Response time has nothing to do with that delay.

 

Response time is the time it takes for a pixel to switch from one color to another color, and in reality the response time is not a uniform number but a whole range of values, the pixel transition will take different lengths of time depending on what the starting and ending colors are.  But exactly which specific colors are used to get the advertised figures is not disclosed and therefore completely unknown, because there is no standard to measuring response time, which makes comparing different monitors' response times a pretty useless exercise, as there is no guarantee both brands were even measuring the same pixel transitions, so their resulting numbers aren't even comparable.

 

In theory, a low response time means less ghosting, or "trails" left behind fast moving objects on high contrast backgrounds.  But like I said there is no standard, so a 1ms response time on one monitor might be equivalent to a 5ms response time on another monitor, making it for the most part a completely meaningless spec that doesn't tell you anything about how monitors compare to each other.  It really doesn't matter though, to put these numbers in perspective, anything in the general range of 1-10ms is very fast.  A slow response time would be something like 50ms, this would probably cause some noticeable ghosting.  But all modern LCDs have very good response times, it's very rare to find a monitor these days with any bad ghosting issues due to response time.

 

[xToFxREAPER]

So...

It's not meant to give an advantage, but rather to improve visual quality via reduction of ghosting?

Im sure there is an underlying advantage but unless your crazy competitive i dont think its enough to actually make a difference to the typical gamer

[-TesseracT-]

 

The human eye takes 300 - 400 ms to blink (0.3 - 0.4 second), when was the last time you noticed yourself blink?

Yeah I seriously doubt it takes that much time to blink.

[randy hutajulu]

Hello! I know there are a couple of posts about 1ms vs 5ms but I wanted to post one myself. So I am going to be building my gaming pc soon and I

want to purchase the monitors I've been on a mac since 2012 so I havent had the best of the best esp for gaming. Do you really notice the difference

between 1ms and 5ms esp since I've been on a mac all this time. Mainly I want to get an ips monitor for the colors I would play games like LoL, cs:go,

CoD etc. I've been stuck between 1ms and 5ms help!

What is your price range and what kind of game do u play?

Maybe i can help u on this

[creativename]

For counter strike go, 1ms us alot better. IPS is worthless for any kind of twitch gaming.

[79wjd]

For counter strike go, 1ms us alot better. IPS is worthless for any kind of twitch gaming.

Most people still can't tell them apart, I certainly can't and I don't know a single irl person who actually can; not to mention the vast majority of people I've seen on this forum who have used both can't tell either. 

[creativename]

Most people still can't tell them apart, I certainly can't and I don't know a single irl person who actually can; not to mention the vast majority of people I've seen on this forum who have used both can't tell either.

Most people cant tell the difference between IPS and a good TN, unless you are comlaring them side to side. But when put side to side, TN looks alot smoother.

[79wjd]

Most people cant tell the difference between IPS and a good TN, unless you are comlaring them side to side. But when put side to side, TN looks alot smoother.

ips vs to is much more noticeable than 1ms vs 5ms

[creativename]

ips vs to is much more noticeable than 1ms vs 5ms

It actually isnt that noticable. If you look at an oversaturated TN panel, you would thibk its IPS.

[mrmonmon2]

if you've been using an imac you are probs used to 5ms by now, so if you are on a budget go for the cheaper one or wait till the 1 ms goes on sale, or save your money and go for a high refresh rate monitor

[GoodBytes]

It actually isnt that noticable. If you look at an oversaturated TN panel, you would thibk its IPS.

Let me correct that: Entry-level IPS

A true good 8-bit IPS panel is night and day different from a high end top of the line TN panel.

At work, we even have ASUS 4K 28inch monitor, with so call "10-bit TN panel"... yea.. not good.

[VulsaviiK]

It actually isnt that noticable. If you look at an oversaturated TN panel, you would thibk its IPS.

 

This.

 

Actually, my first experience with a 4k monitor, I thought it was one of the TN Panel ones. Until I asked and was informed it was a 4k IPS display worth basically as much as I've spent on my computer. I wasn't really that impressed, not like I was trying a high-refresh rate monitor for the first time literally seconds later

[creativename]

This.

Actually, my first experience with a 4k monitor, I thought it was one of the TN Panel ones. Until I asked and was informed it was a 4k IPS display worth basically as much as I've spent on my computer. I wasn't really that impressed, not like I was trying a high-refresh rate monitor for the first time literally seconds later

This is why. Unless youre able to compare them.side to side, or informed on which is which, its not noticable.