Which Devil's Canyon?

[patrickjp93]

So yeah, HT and clockspeed are the main differences.

And better voltage regulators for superior overclocking stability. I'm not sure if anything was changed about the memory controller.

[patrickjp93]

congrats. you have tested one chip.

 

they overclock the same, there are good and bad chips. as with any processor.

3 chips.

[Rheinwasser]

3 chips.

3 chips in millions. doesnt really support your point.

[patrickjp93]

3 chips in millions. doesnt really support your point.

It's statistically significant when 3 random chips from one store for one user pull that off. It's way outside the margin of error even for 20 million chips.

[dev893]

The windows 8.1 ony needs a max of 30GB right? Then the other 90GB can hold a few games.At least this is how I know.

yes but the less free space a SSD has the Slower it performs so you really won't get the full benefit while it will still be faster than an HDD if you put everything on it and fill it to where it only has 2gb free space it won't perform any where as well as it can. also you gotta remember 120gb is really more like 109gb once installed and formatted even when empty

[Vrbas]

Why do I have to?Although it doesnt matter because I dont have an origin library.

 

origin doesnt lead you spread your games everywhere. ok, then fine!

Not True, Origin does let you split your games up on different drives.  I have BF4 on SSD, with Dead space/Crysis on HD.

 

As far as your options either is fine. If you just Game and don't do anything else get the i5. The only game I see benefiting from the i7 over the i5 is Watch Dogs.

[Rheinwasser]

Not True, Origin does let you split your games up on different drives.  I have BF4 on SSD, with Dead space/Crysis on HD.

 

As far as your options either is fine. If you just Game and don't do anything else get the i5. The only game I see benefiting from the i7 over the i5 is Watch Dogs.

oh i am sorry. i got it to work with links i put on with linux.

didnt know there was native support.

[Rheinwasser]

It's statistically significant when 3 random chips from one store for one user pull that off. It's way outside the margin of error even for 20 million chips.

which chips do you have?

 

one store could mean that they were produced together and so have similar overclocking headroom.

[patrickjp93]

which chips do you have?

 

one store could mean that they were produced together and so have similar overclocking headroom.

Local Best Buy. And no I checked the boxes. Three different batches.

[Faa]

And better voltage regulators for superior overclocking stability. I'm not sure if anything was changed about the memory controller.

Bullshit. Both have the same VR. 

 

 

which chips do you have?

 

one store could mean that they were produced together and so have similar overclocking headroom.

Wouldn't take him too serious, lately he claimed he uses Titan Z's at school, he presses a button when booting the system up and gets in the gpu bios changes any kinds of settings like enabling/disabling ECC.

[Rheinwasser]

Local Best Buy. And no I checked the boxes. Three different batches.

ok, i am going to stop this conversation now.

thanks @Faa

[patrickjp93]

 

Bullshit. Both have the same VR. 

 

 

Wouldn't take him too serious, lately he claimed he uses Titan Z's at school, he presses a button when booting the system up and gets in the gpu bios changes any kinds of settings like enabling/disabling ECC.

 

Look under the hood. You can still delid them. The capacitors and VRs are different from Haswell, and far superior in my experience.

 

Furthermore: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70473-intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-canyon-22nm-haswell/

 

Faa has continually proven he is far from a graceful loser, even when I sent him links to videos and documentation proving the Titan Z had a fully interactive BIOS you could reach at boot time on MSI boards. This is no different.

[Faa]

Look under the hood. You can still delid them. The capacitors and VRs are different from Haswell, and far superior in my experience.

We weren't talking about haswell. You were summing reasons up why the 4790k clocks better than the 4690k. Don't switch your context now

 

Faa has continually proven he is far from a graceful loser, even when I sent him links to videos and documentation proving the Titan Z had a fully interactive BIOS you could reach at boot time on MSI boards. This is no different.

 

We asked you to prove this but didnt happen at all: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/167828-the-gritty-details-of-sli/page-6

GPU's don't have an interactive bios at all

[patrickjp93]

 

We weren't talking about haswell. You were summing reasons up why the 4790k clocks better than the 4690k. Don't switch your context now

 

 

We asked you to prove this but didnt happen at all: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/167828-the-gritty-details-of-sli/page-6

GPU's don't have an interactive bios at all

 

Don't deflect. I said the 4790k had better voltage regulators than the 4770k, the chip it replaced. Second, I messaged you all with links and resolved that article because it was side-tracked so much, like this one is now. I'm not having this dance with you again.

[ProKoN]

 

 

I've gotten my 4790k up to 5 GHz on water. If the 4690k broke 4.4 on really good air without delidding I'd call it a golden chip.

 

found your results interesting. but all I seen was talk.

 

can you provide us with some cpu benchmarks or load stress tests to verify your claims?

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/62476-post-your-cinebench-r15r115-scores-and-new-2003-now-included/

 

we have been waiting for Haswell i7 5ghz benchies, so far none on the forum.

[patrickjp93]

found your results interesting. but all I seen was talk.

 

can you provide us with some cpu benchmarks or load stress tests to verify your claims?

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/62476-post-your-cinebench-r15r115-scores-and-new-2003-now-included/

 

we have been waiting for Haswell i7 5ghz benchies, so far none on the forum.

Huh? Half the major overclocking community sites have proof positive already. I'm traveling for the next couple days, but extreme overclocking, overclock.net, and overclockers.com can give you ten or so fully tested ones with benches and stressors and all. I'll admit I'm only basing mine off CPUZ and Prime95.

[ProKoN]

Huh? Half the major overclocking community sites have proof positive already. I'm traveling for the next couple days, but extreme overclocking, overclock.net, and overclockers.com can give you ten or so fully tested ones with benches and stressors and all. I'll admit I'm only basing mine off CPUZ and Prime95.

 

ok thanks. can you provide any links.

 

cpuz validation is...nulll in my books im looking for load testing not just suicide screenies without any load

 

prime95??? what version and for how long?

 

please hook me up with some links that support your claims. or we can just take them with a grain of salt if your unwilling to provide validation.  hwbot works to.

 

Im the only one on the LTT site to hit 5.0ghz or higher with a haswell chip...i5 tho on single thread...

 

 

"cant produce" typical novice move when it comes down to crunch time

[patrickjp93]

@ProKoN 

 

Wednesday is the earliest I'll be back on my home PC. As per Prime95, I always just download the newest version. I use it to reflow my Indigo TIM.

[ProKoN]

@ProKoN 

 

Wednesday is the earliest I'll be back on my home PC. As per Prime95, I always just download the newest version. I use it to reflow my Indigo TIM.

 

fair enough. we will await your return

[Faa]

Don't deflect. I said the 4790k had better voltage regulators than the 4770k, the chip it replaced. Second, I messaged you all with links and resolved that article because it was side-tracked so much, like this one is now. I'm not having this dance with you again.

Before this post, nobody mentioned anything about a 4770k or haswell but whatever.

 

 

 Second, I messaged you all with links and resolved that article because it was side-tracked so much, like this one is now. I'm not having this dance with you again.

 

Nope, there's no interactive bios for a discrete gpu. @ProKoN you have a msi board, can you boot into your gpu bios and make changes like enabling disabling ECC or changing the fan profile of your 780?

[patrickjp93]

Before this post, nobody mentioned anything about a 4770k or haswell but whatever.

 

 

 

Nope, there's no interactive bios for a discrete gpu. @ProKoN you have a msi board, can you boot into your gpu bios and make changes like enabling disabling ECC or changing the fan profile of your 780?

And yet you made the complaint about voltage regulators being the same between chips. Unless you meant the blatantly obvious idea that all chips of the same model have the same VRs, which would warrant "DUH!" then exactly what were you alluding to?

[Faa]

And yet you made the complaint about voltage regulators being the same between chips. Unless you meant the blatantly obvious idea that all chips of the same model have the same VRs, which would warrant "DUH!" then exactly what were you alluding to?

Wait, now I am the guy who brought Haswell up? 

 

 

Oh, I see the point of that.Also, the i5 is capable of the same OC as the i7 right?

OP clearly has it about the 4690k/4790k.

Your reponse to this post:

 

No, not even close. The 4790k has a base clock of 4.0 GHz and a boost of 4.4 AND runs far cooler than 4690k unless you delid the 4690k and apply better thermal interface material inside. It's not hard to do, just a tiny bit risky. The 4690k tops out at 3.9-4.0GHz with boost clock. It's potential is far lower.

 

I've gotten my 4790k up to 5 GHz on water. If the 4690k broke 4.4 on really good air without delidding I'd call it a golden chip.

 

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As far as I know theyre basicly the same, with a difference in clock speed, and HT.

 

Asks again difference between i5/i7.

Your response to this post:

 

And better voltage regulators for superior overclocking stability. I'm not sure if anything was changed about the memory controller.

Clearly you claimed that the i7 has better VR and now you're twisting your claims.

[patrickjp93]

Wait, now I am the guy who brought Haswell up? 

 

 

OP clearly has it about the 4690k/4790k.

Your reponse to this post:

 

 

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Asks again difference between i5/i7.

Your response to this post:

 

Clearly you claimed that the i7 has better VR and now you're twisting your claims.

There are better voltage regulators between the two families. All you have to do to verify that is look on the bottom of both chips. There are 1.5 times as many stabilizing capacitors on the 4790k vs the 4690k. Are you really so thick or unwilling to check for this stuff? 

[Faa]

There are better voltage regulators between the two families. 

 

Agreed; VR is different between DC & HW.

 

There are 1.5 times as many stabilizing capacitors on the 4790k vs the 4690k. 

Both cpu's you mentioned here are devils canyon.

 

 

 

All you have to do to verify that is look on the bottom of both chips. 

Do it then.

 

Are you really so thick or unwilling to check for this stuff? 

Clearly

[patrickjp93]

 

Agreed; VR is different between DC & HW.

 

 

Both cpu's you mentioned here are devils canyon.

 

 

 

 

Do it then.

 

 

Clearly

 

Families would be I3-5-7. Generations are Haswell and Devil's Canyon. Each Devil's Canyon chip line (4790k, 4690k, G3258) has a different VR. All you have to do is look at pictures of the undersides of both chips and count capacitors, and, in general, how thick they are to measure relative stability.

 

For instance: http://media.bestofmicro.com/3/D/439465/original/end.jpg

On the left: 4790k, on the right, 4690k. Even though the image is blurry (thank the people at Tom's Hardware) you can easily see how much more advanced the energy controller is on the 4790k, and it shows in the overclocking.