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This computer is old. Very old. I was running at as an unraid file server for my studio. For about 6 months it started having this issue where it needed to be left plugged in for about 30 minutes before it would actually turn on (after a power outage, etc.) Recently, it stopped coming back up altogether and won't even post anymore. 

Any tips? Thinking PSU and mobo but not entirely certain.

 

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10 minutes ago, mishatoast said:

Any tips?

Replace the BIOS battery (CR-2032)?

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Network:

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                       ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ───────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ── Cloud Gateway Max ══╦═ Pro XG 8 ══╦═ Flex 2.5-8 ══╦═ Doven Wolf
                      La Vie en Rose (DNS) ═╬═ Narrative  ╠═ Veda-NAS     ╠═ La Vie en Rose (vmbr)
                                Veda (DNS) ─┘             ╠═ Veda (vmbr)  ├─ Ptolemy (vmbr)
╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Ptolemy-NAS  ├─ Veda (Mgmt)
║   ┌ Closet ┐      ┌───────── Bedroom ─────────┐                         └─ Veda (IPMI)
╚═══ Flex XG ══╦╤═══ Flex XG ══╤╦═ Byarlant
       (PoE)   ║│              │╠═ Narrative 
Kitchen Jack ══╣└─ Dual PoE ┐  │╚═ Jesta Cannon*
   (Testing)   ║┌─ Injector ┘  └── Work Laptop
     Bedroom ══╝│        ┌─────── Media Center ────────────────────────────┐
     Jack #2    └──────── Switch 8 ────────────┬─ nanoHD Access Point (PoE)
Notes:                                         ├─ Sony PlayStation 4 
─── is Gigabit / ═══ is Multi-Gigabit          ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed from Bedroom to Media Center  └─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
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14 minutes ago, mishatoast said:

Any tips?

Kinda depends on what you want and what you have. 
On the face of it, my tip would be full replacement. It lived an honorable life, but it's time to let it go. 

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22 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Kinda depends on what you want and what you have. 
On the face of it, my tip would be full replacement. It lived an honorable life, but it's time to let it go. 

I do have an old x99 machine laying around, but that would be overkill here I think. 

Please take everything I say with a healthy dose of Googling. 

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Power supply is almost certainly to blame, that's 99.9% of the time what fails first in old systems 

1 minute ago, mishatoast said:

I do have an old x99 machine laying around, but that would be overkill here I think. 

If you've got an X99 machine can you plug in its power supply to this board and see what happens? 

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The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

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Would try to swap PSU if another is available. 

If no better I'd rather get a low end recent (up to 4 years-ish) replacement either new or used than using the power hungry X99. 

How many drives etc?

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58 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Would try to swap PSU if another is available. 

If no better I'd rather get a low end recent (up to 4 years-ish) replacement either new or used than using the power hungry X99. 

How many drives etc?

been running a single 8tb ironwolf pro since 2020, might be time to update that as well. Disk health checks out fine, but who knows.

 

  

2 minutes ago, OhYou_ said:

your psu looks jank, is this a small form factor prebuilt?
 

yes

 

  

58 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Would try to swap PSU if another is available. 

If no better I'd rather get a low end recent (up to 4 years-ish) replacement either new or used than using the power hungry X99. 

How many drives etc?

I don't have another psu in this form factor, unfortunately. I could look around for recent e waste and see if I could find something.

 

 

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It could be the motherboard. It could be the PSU. It could be both. Maybe one stopped working properly 6 months back when the issues started, and now the other one just failed, too.

 

17 years is a really long time for computer hardware that's in regular use.

 

My dad has an X58 Xeon system that's still chugging along, but all other systems in use in my family from 2010 or older has now failed.

 

I've seen 3 different computers from around this era partly or totally die over the past year or so. One LGA775 HP system at least as old as your old Dell there that had intermittent boot issues and USB dropouts. One X58 Xeon system that first regularly failed to recognize RAM sticks and now fails to recognize any boot media whatsoever, too. And one LGA 1156 motherboard that produces random Windows crashes no matter how its configured, possibly due to failing SATA ports, and also seemingly has a failing PCIe port.

 

I think we're just getting to that point where something ends up failing on systems that old. It could be so many things that, unless this is the only system you can afford, I think it's time to let it go.

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19 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

17 years is a really long time for computer hardware that's in regular use.

That reminded me to look up how old my backup storage server is. 2013. 12 years. Been in constant use (~99.9% uptime) since I bought it new. I should really replace that thing.

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