windows10 Problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL

[Sensha]

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer for browsing the web and working in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

[Eigenvektor]

You could always try to boot Linux from a USB stick beforehand to see if it is able to boot. This doesn't change anything on the machine, so it's like "try before you buy". Office through Wine is probably not the best, though depending on what he does with it, something like LibreOffice/OpenOffice might be a viable alternative.

 

Alternatively, there are workarounds to update to Windows 11 without supported hardware, though there's always the risk updates might break the install somehow (well more so than usual )

 

~edit: here's a guide that's supposed to work: https://www.syscute.com/guide/winbootmate.html#part2

[191x7]

9 minutes ago, Sensha said:

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer from browsing the web and work in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

Which processor? If it's Intel 6000 and up, it can get Win11 using the "setup.exe /product server" method of upgrade or 11 can be clean installed.

[Electronics Wizardy]

I've bypassed the upgrade requirements a few dozen times now and yet to have a issue. I'd try to upgrade to Win 11 and bypass the checks and it probably runs fine.

[y0ur5h4d0w]

32 minutes ago, Sensha said:

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer for browsing the web and working in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

office doesn't work on linux, the latest version is the 2009 iirc or for sure the last existing office for x86, don't even bother trying office in wine it's not working with 90% confidence i've lost many hours trying to make it work. you can always install an "unlocked" version of windows 11 which doesn't require TPM. 

 

if you want to go the linux route just install ubntu or mint or lubuntu bette mint or lubuntu for a "simimiliar" to windows experience and use thunderbird for the mails, it won't be completely identical but it's a way to go for constant updates

[Sensha]

28 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

You could always try to boot Linux from a USB stick beforehand to see if it is able to boot. This doesn't change anything on the machine, so it's like "try before you buy". Office through Wine is probably not the best, though depending on what he does with it, something like LibreOffice/OpenOffice might be a viable alternative.

 

Alternatively, there are workarounds to update to Windows 11 without supported hardware, though there's always the risk updates might break the install somehow (well more so than usual )

 

~edit: here's a guide that's supposed to work: https://www.syscute.com/guide/winbootmate.html#part2

I thought about making him use LibreOffice instead of Office 2013 however he doesn't like learning new stuff so I don't think he would enjoy that solution.

 

I thought about just doing the workaround for Win11 but as you said there is always a risk for it to be patched by Microsoft in an update

[Sensha]

28 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Which processor? If it's Intel 6000 and up, it can get Win11 using the "setup.exe /product server" method of upgrade or 11 can be clean installed.

The processor is: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U

[Eigenvektor]

Just now, Sensha said:

I thought about making him use LibreOffice instead of Office 2013 however he doesn't like learning new stuff so I don't think he would enjoy that solution.

 

I thought about just doing the workaround for Win11 but as you said there is always a risk for it to be patched by Microsoft in an update

I don't expect them to break it intentionally, but they're probably not going to go out of their way to ensure compatibility with future updates either.

 

Wine support for Office 2013 seems to vary a bit and depends on the particular program (e.g. Word, Excel, PowerPoint). So might require some workarounds and a bit of trial and error. I don't think this route really makes sense in this case.

 

Depending on what he does with it, OO/LO is probably much less hassle than that, but I can completely understand if he doesn't want to be forced into learning anything new. Though Windows 11's new UI is also something he'd need to get used to.

[jaslion]

15 minutes ago, Sensha said:

The processor is: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U

Oh that will run windows 11 with extreme ease. Just use rufus to make a bootable usb that bypass the checks and enjoy the laptop for many more years

[PDifolco]

59 minutes ago, Sensha said:

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer for browsing the web and working in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

I'd just keep on using Win10, people fantasize about threats and viruses, but really there's not much risk with a prudent Office and browsing use 

Some people are still using XP and they're fine!!

[DoctorNick]

1 hour ago, Sensha said:

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer for browsing the web and working in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

If you use this, you can just upgrade to windows 11:

Open regedit and navigate to: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup

Create "MoSetup" key if required (Right-click > New)

Create new DWORD value: AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU

Set value to 1

Restart and update.

 

[TudorFinalBosz]

If you absolutely must stay on Win10, there are versions that will continue to be supported.

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC will have support until 2032.

Enterprise LTSC will be supported until 2027.

Mainstream Windows IoT will also continue to get updates until 2027.

[RokinAmerica]

Do the Microsoft Rewards, earn 1000 points (easy) and you can get a free year of Win 10 updates from Microsoft.

[y0ur5h4d0w]

3 hours ago, TudorF said:

If you absolutely must stay on Win10, there are versions that will continue to be supported.

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC will have support until 2032.

Enterprise LTSC will be supported until 2027.

Mainstream Windows IoT will also continue to get updates until 2027.

this is a good advice i didnt' actually think about, however i don't know if the IoT are striped down windows 10 cause i never dug too much in them...

 

@Sensha here's the official microsoft link, i used the IoT image on some PCs for work but i think they lack some features compared to the "classic" windows, i would advise you to try the enterprise LTSC before the IoT version

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-10-enterprise
 

[Skipple]

Reformatting the machine with Windows IoT.... Linux.. What are we actually talking about here? 

 

Just enroll the PC in Micrsoft ESU. You don't need to do anything beyond that. This will provide security update until at least October 2026.

[BillBill]

9 hours ago, Sensha said:

Hi

My grandpa is currently using Windows 10 on his laptop. His processor is unsupported by Windows 11 so it will be a problem when Windows 10 reaches EOL in October. He only uses his computer for browsing the web and working in Office 2013 and the laptop runs perfectly fine so it feels wrong to have to buy a new computer when his current laptop runs just fine.

 

 I had an idea that I could install Linux on his laptop and run Office through Wine, however I haven't got that to work on my personal machine.

What is the best solution?

Windows 10 Home edition. You can extend updates for 12 months for around 30.00 dollars USD. If they really like Windows 10. Other versions of Windows 10 also offer a 12 month extension. Different versions different price. 

[Skipple]

2 hours ago, BillBill said:

30.00 dollars USD.

You don't even need to do that. Just sync your PC settings to your Microsoft account and you can get it for free. 

[BillBill]

1 hour ago, Skipple said:

You don't even need to do that. Just sync your PC settings to your Microsoft account and you can get it for free. 

Yes and that is for one year. They just recently added that option. It is 30.00 dollars if you choose not to sync your PC to a Microsoft account. 

[Pusbucket]

aren't these "hardware requirements" just a way for MS to recoup lost revenue when they stopped actively fighting piracy of the OS midway through Win 10?

Win 10 & 11 have been essentially "freeware" unless you wanted to personalize the GUI. How much $$$ do you think they lost?

I've been using Win 10 for a while non-personalized, as well as Win 11.

They realized that fighting piracy was a losing battle. Anyone remember the different steps they took with Win 7, only to be defeated.

So lets just make it a "hardware security issue" to compel business' and private consumers to buy new systems with MS reaping the full economic profit margins.

 

To me, it's pretty clear and blatant, can't fight software piracy, lets move into the hardware segment instead and FORCE compliance and profits, MUHAHAHA!!!.

 

OK, taking off the tin-foil hat now, but am I wrong?

[BillBill]

4 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

aren't these "hardware requirements" just a way for MS to recoup lost revenue when they stopped actively fighting piracy of the OS midway through Win 10?

Win 10 & 11 have been essentially "freeware" unless you wanted to personalize the GUI. How much $$$ do you think they lost?

I've been using Win 10 for a while non-personalized, as well as Win 11.

They realized that fighting piracy was a losing battle. Anyone remember the different steps they took with Win 7, only to be defeated.

So lets just make it a "hardware security issue" to compel business' and private consumers to buy new systems with MS reaping the full economic profit margins.

 

To me, it's pretty clear and blatant, can't fight software piracy, lets move into the hardware segment instead and FORCE compliance and profits, MUHAHAHA!!!.

 

OK, taking off the tin-foil hat now, but am I wrong?

They are in it to make a profit. Always have been. Yet does using TPM actually make a PC more secure? 

[Pusbucket]

19 minutes ago, BillBill said:

They are in it to make a profit. Always have been. Yet does using TPM actually make a PC more secure? 

"donning foil hat"

no, TPM really doesn't as recent exploits have demonstrated,

BUT if your the buyer for a major corporation that needs 10,000 workstations, are really going to quibble over TPM specifics? 

No, your going to come to an agreement and sign off on the P.O.

 

 

How many folks in this forum have actually worked in the field as opposed to gamers building a rig in their bedroom?

[Donut417]

49 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

aren't these "hardware requirements" just a way for MS to recoup lost revenue when they stopped actively fighting piracy of the OS midway through Win 10?

Win 10 & 11 have been essentially "freeware" unless you wanted to personalize the GUI. How much $$$ do you think they lost?

I've been using Win 10 for a while non-personalized, as well as Win 11.

They realized that fighting piracy was a losing battle. Anyone remember the different steps they took with Win 7, only to be defeated.

So lets just make it a "hardware security issue" to compel business' and private consumers to buy new systems with MS reaping the full economic profit margins.

 

To me, it's pretty clear and blatant, can't fight software piracy, lets move into the hardware segment instead and FORCE compliance and profits, MUHAHAHA!!!.

 

OK, taking off the tin-foil hat now, but am I wrong?

First of all no one really knows how much of the data they are syphoning off of everyone's machines (telemetry) they are selling. Thats why Windows 10 and 11 are pretty much "Free" or usable without activation. 

 

Secondly Microsoft doesnt really make that much money off selling Windows. Its the service agreements with have with large enterprise users is where they make the money. Not to mention Microsoft is a cloud service provider, so they make lots of money in that segment as well. 

 

14 hours ago, Sensha said:

What is the best solution?

Well you have a few solutions. 

 

1) Continue to use the machine after October. As long as he is not just downloading random shit and going to random off the wall websites he likely would be fine. Though I probably wouldn't do any type of banking or anything related on that machine. Id probably look at a 3rd party Anti Virus. 

 

2) Pay for the updates for Windows 10. 

 

3) Do the bypass method to install Windows 11. 

 

4) Install Linux, though there will be a learning curve. Probably look at a distro with KDE as it's kinda Windows like, at least the last I used KDE. 

 

5) Buy a new computer. 

[Pusbucket]

13 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

First of all no one really knows how much of the data they are syphoning off of everyone's machines (telemetry) they are selling. Thats why Windows 10 and 11 are pretty much "Free" or usable without activation. 

 

Secondly Microsoft doesnt really make that much money off selling Windows. Its the service agreements with have with large enterprise users is where they make the money. Not to mention Microsoft is a cloud service provider, so they make lots of money in that segment as well. 

 

So in essence you are in agreement with me.

MS isn't as concerned about piracy of the actual OS because they are leveraging other revenue streams.

[BillBill]

15 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

So in essence you are in agreement with me.

MS isn't as concerned about piracy of the actual OS because they are leveraging other revenue streams.

They do make a lot of money selling Windows to manufactures like Dell and HP. Both desktop PC's for consumers and for workstations etc.   

[Donut417]

23 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

So in essence you are in agreement with me.

MS isn't as concerned about piracy of the actual OS because they are leveraging other revenue streams.

Just because they have other revenue streams doesnt mean they dont care. As I recall at one time Microsoft had over a 90% market share. That is no longer the case. It think its slips a little bit each year. Computing has evolved. For example not everyone has a Desktop or Laptop. Now tablets and smartphones are a thing. Many of those devices dont run Windows. 

 

Microsoft allows Windows to work without activation because they rather you use Windows then not. Otherwise they would do what they historically done. Allow Windows to work for 30 days unactivated and then stop. Which is how it was before, though piracy was still a thing, it was a bit harder.