Gaming Rig Mitosis

[DirtyBlueshirt]

A few years ago when I lived in California, I built my first rig in a couple decades, I decided to go all out. I overpaid for the CPU during the COVID shortages, but I was able to wait on the GPU until it was a reasonable price (and the release of the 40 series). In January, I relocated to Canberra, Australia for a new job (finally realizing a life goal, but that's not the point here). NZXT sold me ($40 USD) a shipping box they use for their prebuilt RMAs, which transported my build in its H9 Flow case across the ocean perfectly. They're good people.

 

Now that the Ryzen 9000 series is staring to roll out, I figure it's a good time to upgrade, with the bulk of the original rig being migrated to a new case for my guests to game on when they're over.

 

The migration is complete to the new case, and now I'm just collecting the bits and bobs for the new build. I'm just waiting for the inevitable launch of the 9000 series X3D chips and X890E Motherboards. Ideally I'm looking at an X690E board with a good feature set (I'd love 10G onboard LAN, but that's probably a tall ask) and a Ryzen 9 9900X3D or 9950 X3D. Pop in some DDR5 RAM and PCIe 5.0 SSDs and Bob's your uncle. Luckily I have the bandwidth to wait, especially since the current build is beyond cromulent. Plus, I had to send my 4080 back to the US for warranty repair as one of the cooling fans has failed (something I read seems to be common with PNY)

 

The actual question, What are the thoughts on memory? Is Zen 5 hampered by using four sticks (I seem to recall something about quad channel memory four sticks not working as well in some configurations), or am I good to go to load 'er up? Knowing that the 9000 series X3D chips and the X890E boards aren't out yet, but with the current speculation, what advantages should the X890E have over the X870E boards? I'm presuming the X3D chips will offer a better upgrade option than the just released 9900X and 9950X chips IRT gaming performance.

 

I really miss having access to Micro Center, but Scorptec up in Sydney fits as a good substitute so far.

 

Budget (including currency): I don't want to think about that

Country: Originally USA, now Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: BG3, ESO, Cyberpunk, Video Editing

Other details

 

Original Build

• NZXT H9 Flow (Prior upgrade from an H710)
• MSI MEG X570 ACE
• Corsair RM850 850W Modular PSU
• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
• NZXT Kraken X73 AIO (in a push config, on top)
• 128 GB G-Skill DDR4-3600
• 3x Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 (Two in RAID0, one OS boot drive)
• PNY RTX 4080 XLR8 OC

 

Migrated Build

• Fractal North (Charcoal)
• MSI MEG X570 ACE
• Corsair RM850 850W Modular PSU
• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
• NZXT Kraken X73 350 AIO (corrected to a pull config, in front)
• 128 GB G-Skill DDR4-3600
• 3x Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 (Two in RAID0, one OS boot drive)
• Gigabyte RTX 4070 Ti Super

 

New Build

• NZXT H9 Flow (Prior upgrade from an H710)
• [Motherboard TBD]
• Seasonic Vertex PX-1000 1000W Modular PSU
• [CPU TBD]
• NZXT Kraken Elite 360 AIO (in a pull config, on side)
• [Memory TBD]
• [SSD TBD]
• PNY RTX 4080 XLR8 OC

 

 

 

[Ralf]

X890E? Quad channel memory on consumer boards? These things aren't happening.

[podkall]

1 hour ago, DirtyBlueshirt said:

The actual question, What are the thoughts on memory with memory? Is Zen 5 hampered by using four sticks

yes

 

9000 series might handle it differently, but getting 2 can always ensure the speeds can be set and forget, or perhaps even OCd,

 

most likely even higher on 9000 series than on 7000 series.

 

1 hour ago, DirtyBlueshirt said:

Knowing that the 9000 series X3D chips and the X890E boards aren't out yet, but with the current speculation, what advantages should the X890E have over the X870E boards? I'm presuming the X3D chips will offer a better upgrade option than the just released 9900X and 9950X chips IRT gaming performance.

Honestly you could put anything faster than 7600x on an AM5 motherboard and it will probably match or beat 5900x,

 

and for Motherboards, VRM wise and lowkey feature wise, even a 150-200$ B650/X670 Motherboard could most likely handle 9900x, perhaps even with PBO on, (especially X670)

 

here's a chart in Chipset differences and link to website I found it from below:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-x870e-vs-x870-vs-x670e-vs-x670-vs-b650e-vs-b650/

 

 

• What you can accomplish on X870 and X870E is somewhat possible to accomplish on B650E and X670E boards more or less, but of course you can get the 800 Chipset series for the whatever premium stuff it brings, or whatever USB speeds or amount of ports or whatever you ask for.
• Perhaps in reviews you'll see what features they'll boast.

 

1 hour ago, DirtyBlueshirt said:

New Build

• NZXT H9 Flow (Prior upgrade from an H710)
• [Motherboard TBD]
• Seasonic Vertex PX-1000 1000W Modular PSU
• [CPU TBD]
• NZXT Kraken Elite 360 AIO (in a pull config, on side)
• [Memory TBD]
• [SSD TBD]
• PNY RTX 4080 XLR8 OC

I could give you ideas of what to look for, for any part, if you haven't bought all of these yet at least, won't talk you out of NZXT unless you're interested in saving some $ while rocking similar performance and still retain some RGB style and everything, just not Corsair fans.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Ralf said:

X890E? Quad channel memory on consumer boards? These things aren't happening.

Perhaps not, but 4 stick dual channel on DDR4 got stable enough you can get to the sweetspot speeds no problem unless you have a really old Ryzen CPU.

 

 

[DirtyBlueshirt]

17 minutes ago, Ralf said:

X890E? Quad channel memory on consumer boards? These things aren't happening.

X890/E is definitely coming: https://www.pcguide.com/news/ryzen-9000x3d-cpu-appears-on-asus-website-in-preparation-for-800-series-motherboards/

 

For the memory, I should rephrase... I meant using four sticks versus two (updated post).

[DirtyBlueshirt]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

I could give you ideas of what to look for, for any part, if you haven't bought all of these yet at least, won't talk you out of NZXT unless you're interested in saving some $ while rocking similar performance and still retain some RGB style and everything, just not Corsair fans.

I have already invested in the fans/AIO/case, so those are set. But, I'm still interested in your opinion if I go build for friends?

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBlueshirt said:

I have already invested in the fans/AIO/case, so those are set. But, I'm still interested in your opinion if I go build for friends?

Well for Ryzen, if you're getting 7800x3D, you know how it can be cooled with a Peerless Assassin dual tower, well then in essence you can grab any 360 AIO and it will do wonderfully for that card for example, there are few that are go-to or aesthetically pleasing or quiet for example. (or everything combined while being somewhat more affordable than Corsair or NZXT)

 

Fast 2TB SSDs (or any size of that model)

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/podkall/saved/#view=BfBkwP

 

AM5 Motherboards that are good and cheap: (CPU is just for reference what it will handle with no issues, 7800x3D is weaker than that)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TgVLt7

 

 

RAM? the brand doesn't really matter, it's the chips themself, and well, as simple as it is, at certain speeds you just can't use trash chips,

 

as of right now, any 2x16GB and up DDR5 kit, if it's CL30 or lower, it's good, so in sweetspot range, anything CL30 6000Mhz is good and you can get the cheapest with these specs and it will shred.

 

oh you wanted quiet AIO examples? (for reference cheapest Corsair and NZXT start at 180$ right now, and those don't even have RGB)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fVMyJy

[Ralf]

1 hour ago, DirtyBlueshirt said:

X890/E is definitely coming: https://www.pcguide.com/news/ryzen-9000x3d-cpu-appears-on-asus-website-in-preparation-for-800-series-motherboards/

The source from the article does not mention X890E anywhere, so...