7900x vs... x3d?

[AlwaysWright]

• CPU
  Ryzen 9 7900X
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  MSI X670e MAG Tomohawk
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  32GB Corsair vengeance rgb DDR5
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  4090 Rog STRIX OC
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  Hi all, i currently am running a 7900x with my 4090 because when i bought my 7900x i thought the x3d meant better integrated graphics however, i now understand it is to do with the l3 cache and i was terribly mistaken, my question is would i see a huge performance boost in 1440p gaming if i was to pickup a x3d chip, maybe from their 9000 series when it releases , or is the 7900x not bottlenecking my 4090 at all?

  I am currently very happy with the performance but just curious if i would see a huge jump if i was to get a x3d chip.

[Agall]

1 minute ago, AlwaysWright said:

• CPU
  Ryzen 9 7900X
• Motherboard
  MSI X670e MAG Tomohawk
• RAM
  32GB Corsair vengeance rgb DDR5
• GPU
  4090 Rog STRIX OC
• Case
  H6 flow
• PSU
  hx1200i corsair shift

   

  Hi all, i currently am running a 7900x with my 4090 because when i bought my 7900x i thought the x3d meant better integrated graphics however, i now understand it is to do with the l3 cache and i was terribly mistaken, my question is would i see a huge performance boost in 1440p gaming if i was to pickup a x3d chip, maybe from their 9000 series when it releases , or is the 7900x not bottlenecking my 4090 at all?

  I am currently very happy with the performance but just curious if i would see a huge jump if i was to get a x3d chip.

7800x3D or bust, but I would just wait till the 9800x3D. The R9 chips really aren't designed for gaming, the 7900x3D being the perfect reason why. Ryzen CCDs are only up to 8 cores, so a 12c/24t CPU like the 7900x/7900x3D are 6+6. When an application exceeds those 6c/12t on a single CCD, it spills into the second CCD. In the case of 3D v-cache, it basically eliminates the advantage of it.

 

That's where the 7800x3D and 7950x3D are the only ones that make sense, since plenty of applications won't exceed 8c/16t but will exceed 6c/12t. Even with a properly configured 7950x3D, it still has problems, where you're best off just disabling the second CCD.

[AlwaysWright]

will any current cpu still bottleneck my 4090?

[RONOTHAN##]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/20.html

 

It's up to you and what games you play for whether that performance uplift is worth the cost to swap it out. I'd argue that it's probably not in most instances, the 7900X is still a great gaming chip, it's just not as good as the 7800X3D. If you exclusivelty play games though where the X3D just dominates, it might be worth it. 

 

Given the 9000X3D series chips are rumored to be launching sometime in September, even if you do play only games where X3D dominates I'd wait until then to make the upgrade. 

[AlwaysWright]

2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/20.html

 

It's up to you and what games you play for whether that performance uplift is worth the cost to swap it out. I'd argue that it's probably not in most instances, the 7900X is still a great gaming chip, it's just not as good as the 7800X3D. If you exclusivelty play games though where the X3D just dominates, it might be worth it. 

 

Given the 9000X3D series chips are rumored to be launching sometime in September, even if you do play only games where X3D dominates I'd wait until then to make the upgrade. 

4 minutes ago, Agall said:

7800x3D or bust, but I would just wait till the 9800x3D. The R9 chips really aren't designed for gaming, the 7900x3D being the perfect reason why. Ryzen CCDs are only up to 8 cores, so a 12c/24t CPU like the 7900x/7900x3D are 6+6. When an application exceeds those 6c/12t on a single CCD, it spills into the second CCD. In the case of 3D v-cache, it basically eliminates the advantage of it.

 

That's where the 7800x3D and 7950x3D are the only ones that make sense, since plenty of applications won't exceed 8c/16t but will exceed 6c/12t. Even with a properly configured 7950x3D, it still has problems, where you're best off just disabling the second CCD.

                           these are the games i play in order from left to right, top left being games i play most, would it be worth getting the 9800x3d? I play 1440p and try to get 170fps in all games i can to fulfill my monitor hz

[AlwaysWright]

I also will be getting black ops 6 on release and want to experience that game in its full capability's

I know most of these are gpu intensive games but would i benefit from a better cpu for higher framerates 

[RONOTHAN##]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysWright said:

would it be worth getting the 9800x3d?

If this is the chip you're going to be considering, wait until it's released and reviews are out. It's just going to be pure speculation on our part for how much faster this is going to be than the current generation of CPUs.

 

Quickly glancing at that list, quite a few of those do scale with X3D chips, so it's probably going to be worth it, but that's just a guess. 

 

 

This does bring up the question: is the performance you're getting enough? If that's yes, there's no reason to upgrade. If it's not, what games are you missing? 

[AlwaysWright]

21 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

If this is the chip you're going to be considering, wait until it's released and reviews are out. It's just going to be pure speculation on our part for how much faster this is going to be than the current generation of CPUs.

 

Quickly glancing at that list, quite a few of those do scale with X3D chips, so it's probably going to be worth it, but that's just a guess. 

 

 

This does bring up the question: is the performance you're getting enough? If that's yes, there's no reason to upgrade. If it's not, what games are you missing? 

Id like helldivers and hell let loose , destiny 2 , star wars jedi survivor and red dead to all have a slight higher fps if i can help it, i also hate knowing i have a 4090 and am missing out on some of its performance, bottom line is id love to utilize my gpu fully

[MadAnt250]

21 minutes ago, AlwaysWright said:

I am currently very happy with the performance but just curious if i would see a huge jump if i was to get a x3d chip.

Don't even worry about it. The tech tubers and reviewers love to shove the X3D chips in everyone's face and brag about how great at gaming they are. Don't fall into the hype, people have reported issues with dual CCD x3d chips and has been tested by a few good tech tubers. If what you have is working fine, which I believe is, there is no need to upgrade right now just to get a tiny bit better gaming performance.

[jaslion]

46 minutes ago, AlwaysWright said:

Id like helldivers and hell let loose , destiny 2 , star wars jedi survivor and read dead to all have a slight higher fps if i can help it, i also hate knowing i have a 4090 and am missing out on some of its performance, bottom line is id love to utilize my gpu fully

Have ya checked the gpu usage during games with msi afterburner to see if its not already running at 100%?

 

Also keep in mind game engine limts are a thing. Of the games on your pc quite a few dont want to do much more past 120fps due to engine limits no matter the hardware

 

[Agall]

1 hour ago, AlwaysWright said:

                           these are the games i play in order from left to right, top left being games i play most, would it be worth getting the 9800x3d? I play 1440p and try to get 170fps in all games i can to fulfill my monitor hz

Basically anything multiplayer will see as high as +50% maximum framerate compared to non 3D of the same generation. Something I test with my 7950x3D. Diablo 4 being ~120 fps vs ~180 fps and Warframe ~160 fps vs ~240 fps. These are in scenarios with high densities of human/npc assets jumping about.

 

This doesn't even speak to the smoothness of the framerate, something I observed best when I went from a 3950x to 5800x3D before my 7950x3D, which I can repeat between CCD0 and CCD1.

 

That's not to say that 3D v-cache isn't good for single player games, its usually better, but not always better. You won't find the absolute smoothest framerates without 3D v-cache though, in today's market. 

[Dedayog]

7 hours ago, AlwaysWright said:

• CPU
  Ryzen 9 7900X
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  MSI X670e MAG Tomohawk
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  32GB Corsair vengeance rgb DDR5
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  4090 Rog STRIX OC
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  H6 flow
• PSU
  hx1200i corsair shift

   

  Hi all, i currently am running a 7900x with my 4090 because when i bought my 7900x i thought the x3d meant better integrated graphics however, i now understand it is to do with the l3 cache and i was terribly mistaken, my question is would i see a huge performance boost in 1440p gaming if i was to pickup a x3d chip, maybe from their 9000 series when it releases , or is the 7900x not bottlenecking my 4090 at all?

  I am currently very happy with the performance but just curious if i would see a huge jump if i was to get a x3d chip.

Short answer....wait for the 9xxxx3d.  

 

The 7800x3d is better than the 7900x, but you'll just buy the 9xxxx3d to replace it.

 

You bought a 4090, you are not fiscally minded.   Buy the best now or wait for the new best.