Ryzen 9000 specs?

[Ekto]

Hey there,

I was just browsing AMD's page during my lunch break and noticed that they had created a table with Ryzen 9000 CPU specs, I thought they had just announced 8000 series chips a while ago.
What exactly is the difference between 8000 and 9000 series, just that 8000 is for "AI-PC's"? Is it like, the same generation with two different naming schemes?

 

[DoctorNick]

3 minutes ago, Ekto said:

Hey there,

I was just browsing AMD's page during my lunch break and noticed that they had created a table with Ryzen 9000 CPU specs, I thought they had just announced 8000 series chips a while ago.
What exactly is the difference between 8000 and 9000 series, just that 8000 is for "AI-PC's"? Is it like, the same generation with two different naming schemes?

 

8000 series is the same architecture as 7000 series, but with bigger iGPU's. 9000 series is the next architectural iteration  

[porina]

7000 - Zen 4 chiplet based CPUs.

8000 - Zen 4 APUs. Bigger iGPU, smaller cache. Some higher models have AI NPU but too weak for Copilot+.

9000 - Zen 5 chiplet based CPUs, successor to 7000 series.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

7 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

8000 series is the same architecture as 7000 series, but with bigger iGPU's. 9000 series is the next architectural iteration  

basically 8000 are just zen4 laptop chips on am5 since theyre monolithic die and have better igpus with (for now) slightly better imcs alongside not being soldered to the ihs if the am5 ihs wasnt bad enough already

 

cache is halved compared to ryzen 7000 so performance will be abit worse and the chips themselves simply dont clock as high both stock and overclocked even if you delidded/direct die similar to the zen2/3 apus compared to the cpus though the soc doesnt draw as much power afaik probably due to being monolithic rather than chiplet

 

ryzen 9000 are zen5 cpus for now so you cant really compare them directly since 8000 are zen4 apus but they are the successor of ryzen 7000 which are zen4 cpus and ofc just the usual ipc increase when comparing the two, they share the same i/o die so same imc same 6200-6400 ddr5 capability, they might finally get 6400 to consistently work on zen5 but i have my doubts on that

 

as for the ai pc shenanigans thats the 8000 laptop cpus with bigger npus or something compared to the 7040 laptop cpus, i think its also mentioned for ryzen 8000 desktop but i dont think anyone reallh talks about it for the desktop chips

[DoctorNick]

20 minutes ago, porina said:

7000 - Zen 4 chiplet based CPUs.

8000 - Zen 4 APUs. Bigger iGPU, smaller cache. Some higher models have AI NPU but too weak for Copilot+.

9000 - Zen 5 chiplet based CPUs, successor to 7000 series.

This is much more precise than what I said.. My wording was somewhat misleading 

[RONOTHAN##]

23 minutes ago, porina said:

7000 - Zen 4 chiplet based CPUs.

8000 - Zen 4 APUs. Bigger iGPU, smaller cache. Some higher models have AI NPU but too weak for Copilot+.

9000 - Zen 5 chiplet based CPUs, successor to 7000 series.

I'd also add that the 8000 series chips are monolithic rather than chiplet based, as well as losing out on some PCIe lanes. These make them cheaper to produce compared to their Ryzen 7000 counterparts. 

[porina]

35 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'd also add that the 8000 series chips are monolithic rather than chiplet based, as well as losing out on some PCIe lanes. These make them cheaper to produce compared to their Ryzen 7000 counterparts. 

Agreed. It is a balancing act between giving major points and listing the whole spec sheet!  

[GuiltySpark_]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'd also add that the 8000 series chips are monolithic rather than chiplet based, as well as losing out on some PCIe lanes. These make them cheaper to produce compared to their Ryzen 7000 counterparts. 

And still too expensive for what they are but we'll not talk about that... 

[BillBill]

I've read that the 9000 series Ryzen is supposed to be stable with four sticks of RAM. 

[Bagzie]

On 7/4/2024 at 5:33 PM, BillBill said:

I've read that the 9000 series Ryzen is supposed to be stable with four sticks of RAM. 

I read that if you hold your breath for 15 minutes you transport to Narnia.

[BillBill]

11 hours ago, Bagzie said:

I read that if you hold your breath for 15 minutes you transport to Narnia.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9000-zen-5-cpus-up-to-6400-8000-mtps-4-dimm-ddr5-memory-run-cooler-lower-power-by-default/#:~:text=First of all%2C the integrated,a 1%3A1 fabric clock.

So I guess you have doubts that AMD won't correct their mistake. 

[Bagzie]

28 minutes ago, BillBill said:

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9000-zen-5-cpus-up-to-6400-8000-mtps-4-dimm-ddr5-memory-run-cooler-lower-power-by-default/#:~:text=First of all%2C the integrated,a 1%3A1 fabric clock.

So I guess you have doubts that AMD won't correct their mistake. 

That last sentence is a trick question isn't it? Double negative?

 

Anyways I won't be convinced till its out and shown to be true.

[BillBill]

Just now, Bagzie said:

That last sentence is a trick question isn't it? Double negative?

No it's a statement. Not a question. 

 

[Bagzie]

1 hour ago, BillBill said:

No it's a statement. Not a question. 

 

So it's a double negative statement then? Still makes no sense..... read it out aloud to yourself.

 

Either way as an avid AMD customer they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity so we will see

 

Also have a sense of humor it's just a bit of fun  

[GuiltySpark_]

On 7/4/2024 at 12:33 PM, BillBill said:

I've read that the 9000 series Ryzen is supposed to be stable with four sticks of RAM. 

Why would that be? As far as anyone knows for sure, the IMC is roughly the same. And why would we care? Enthusiasts are using 2x DIMM's and frankly, they should stop bothering with 2DPC boards entirely in the mainstream space. 96GB (and if we get 64GB DIMM's, 128GB) is plenty for anyone using a mainstream platform. 

[BillBill]

9 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Why would that be? As far as anyone knows for sure, the IMC is roughly the same. And why would we care? Enthusiasts are using 2x DIMM's and frankly, they should stop bothering with 2DPC boards entirely in the mainstream space. 96GB (and if we get 64GB DIMM's, 128GB) is plenty for anyone using a mainstream platform. 

The link to the article I had posted. Says that 4 sticks of RAM will be stable but you will be able to use much higher speed RAM with 2 sticks. So they had to have corrected their past issue. 

[BillBill]

29 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

So it's a double negative statement then? Still makes no sense..... read it out aloud to yourself.

 

Either way as an avid AMD customer they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity so we will see

 

Also have a sense of humor it's just a bit of fun  

You're not funny though. 

[GuiltySpark_]

48 minutes ago, BillBill said:

So they had to have corrected their past issue. 

Well there is the point. I don’t see it as an issue. Especially if the boards can be cheaper if they’re all made to be 1DPC. 

[BillBill]

12 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Well there is the point. I don’t see it as an issue. Especially if the boards can be cheaper if they’re all made to be 1DPC. 

The issue with using 4 sticks of RAM with the current Ryzen and stability.  

[GuiltySpark_]

26 minutes ago, BillBill said:

The issue with using 4 sticks of RAM with the current Ryzen and stability.  

lol nevermind 

[Bagzie]

26 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

lol nevermind 

You're not funny!!

[BillBill]

3 hours ago, Bagzie said:

You're not funny!!

Reading is fundamental.