Is an AIO really that much better?

[Millios]

Im of split minds for cooling. For the system ill be making im gonna use 7600x and either a 4070 super or a 7900gre. Idk if i want an AIO or an air cooler since theri prices are are about 20 euros apart.

Air cooler: arctic 34 esports duo      about 43.25 euro

AIO: Arctic liquid freezer III 240mm about 63 euro

 

Would it make that much of a difference or is it overkill?

Btw itll be used for video editing, gaming and 3D modeling and itll be in the Kolink Observatory HF Mesh ARGB PC case

[Tan3l6]

240mm AIO has usually as much cooling surface as a dual-tower cooler. So compared to Arctic eSports 34 it's not worth the price imo.

Thermalright has the best air-cooling options, at least in some regions of the world.

[Millios]

2 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

240mm AIO has usually as much cooling surface as a dual-tower cooler. So compared to Arctic eSports 34 it's not worth the price imo.

Thermalright has the best air-cooling options, at least in some regions of the world.

Where im from thermalright is a bit more expensive that arctic or even deepcool. A dual tower from arctic is the one I mentioned while from thermalright ill be looking at around 50 euro or closing 60 which i think at that point an AIO is better for a bit more

[Tan3l6]

11 minutes ago, Millios said:

Where im from thermalright is a bit more expensive that arctic or even deepcool. A dual tower from arctic is the one I mentioned while from thermalright ill be looking at around 50 euro or closing 60 which i think at that point an AIO is better for a bit more

Well, the Arctic eSports 34 is not really dual-tower but dual-fan. But yeah, AIOs are decent from 280mm upwards, the difference is not huge between 240mm and 280mm, but usually the price difference isn't either.

Still the Arctic 34 eSports cooler will perform decently enough in most scenarios.

[Millios]

4 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Well, the Arctic eSports 34 is not really dual-tower but dual-fan. But yeah, AIOs are decent from 280mm upwards, the difference is not huge between 240mm and 280mm, but usually the price difference isn't either.

the 280mm aio (again arctic liquid freezer iii) is 79.8, if it makes that much difference or is that much worth it i have no issues buying it but i just dont want to feel like i wasted money on it

[podkall]

10 minutes ago, Millios said:

Where im from thermalright is a bit more expensive that arctic or even deepcool. A dual tower from arctic is the one I mentioned while from thermalright ill be looking at around 50 euro or closing 60 which i think at that point an AIO is better for a bit more

where u from?

 

I also see you make various posts about planning parts for a build, why not just make one for an entire build?

[Tan3l6]

Yeah, then air all the way.

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Millios said:

the 280mm aio (again arctic liquid freezer iii) is 79.8, if it makes that much difference or is that much worth it i have no issues buying it but i just dont want to feel like i wasted money on it

AIO is waste of cash on weaker AM5 CPUs, and even on 7800x3D you can cool that with dual tower cooler,

 

AIO is more for looks or if it's at least 280-360mm for really warm chips like Intel has.

[Millios]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

where u from?

 

I also see you make various posts about planning parts for a build, why not just make one for an entire build?

Greece. Reason is cause im not set myself and im flaxuating between brands and thoughts. So one build might work at a time but i might need a new one. So im trying to also gather knowledge cause i dont have the same vendors, prices or even brands and products many times. I have some stuff set like the cpu and the case but not much else so ill wait a bit and make a final rendition

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, Millios said:

Greece. Reason is cause im not set myself and im flaxuating between brands and thoughts. So one build might work at a time but i might need a new one. So im trying to also gather knowledge cause i dont have the same vendors, prices or even brands and products many times. I have some stuff set like the cpu and the case but not much else so ill wait a bit and make a final rendition

well it's possible to make several lists using different closest countries to Greece as template,

 

but understandable, pcpartpicker has all of these:

 

[podkall]

9 minutes ago, podkall said:

well it's possible to make several lists using different closest countries to Greece as template,

 

but understandable, pcpartpicker has all of these:

Hungary, Italy and Romania?

[Millios]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

Hungary, Italy and Romania?

Italy: Same currency different import and bussines laws making prices even more apart than smt like germany
Hungary: Different economical state so vastly different prices

Romania: different currency,laws, etc etc.

Closest at least in pricing would be germany and ive been seeing most lists in germany pc part picker for that reason. Only downside is brand price difference and again that they have MANY more products so i use a mix of pc part picker, amazon, yt and my vendor (skroutz.gr) to see what i have available and what is actually a good deal/fair pricing

[Millios]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

Hungary, Italy and Romania?

Also i cant look at msrp cause of the import laws and money hungry stores here cause a 600$ card will almost always be over it. For example a palit dual oc 4070 super is at 600$ msrp but here it starts at atleast 610 euro or around 662$ if im lucky

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Millios said:

Italy: Same currency different import and bussines laws making prices even more apart than smt like germany
Hungary: Different economical state so vastly different prices

Romania: different currency,laws, etc etc.

Closest at least in pricing would be germany and ive been seeing most lists in germany pc part picker for that reason. Only downside is brand price difference and again that they have MANY more products so i use a mix of pc part picker, amazon, yt and my vendor (skroutz.gr) to see what i have available and what is actually a good deal/fair pricing

I see, but how is Germany better? as far as I'm concerned, overall average price on Germany should be less than Italy,

 

like couldn't you use Italy/Romania/Germany list of components as template, but buy these parts or similar from your vendors?

 

Just now, Millios said:

Also i cant look at msrp cause of the import laws and money hungry stores here cause a 600$ card will almost always be over it. For example a palit dual oc 4070 super is at 600$ msrp but here it starts at atleast 610 euro or around 662$ if im lucky

MSRP is launch price, some products may never touch it's lowness in months or years sometimes.

 

 

[Millios]

Just now, podkall said:

I see, but how is Germany better? as far as I'm concerned, overall average price on Germany should be less than Italy,

 

like couldn't you use Italy/Romania/Germany list of components as template, but buy these parts or similar from your vendors?

 

MSRP is launch price, some products may never touch it's lowness in months or years sometimes.

 

 

1) germany is just closer in pricing in MOST of the stuff im looking at (difference just is the smallest between them all) ill look for italy as it might be close or at least relative but romania is just so different in both currency and laws that it would be like a false positive.(for context many move or work at romania and countries like cyprus cause its laws and taxes concerning foreign companies are incredibly beneficial or that flexible)

2)Isnt msrp a good way to know about how much it should be? Nvidia aside cause stuff like the 4060 is horribly priced regardless wouldnt it help to gauge if its good pricing for stuff like intel or amd gpus or higher ends like the 4070 super?

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Millios said:

2)Isnt msrp a good way to know about how much it should be? Nvidia aside cause stuff like the 4060 is horribly priced regardless wouldnt it help to gauge if its good pricing for stuff like intel or amd gpus or higher ends like the 4070 super?

msrp is good for value, but useless if almost nothing is priced at msrp, it's much better to just compare for what they're worth and for what they deliver

[podkall]

also, I scouted your profile, you said you'd be getting the parts around November, since prices can drastically change until that comes around, I'd delay part choice decision back to at least October, unless you want to slowly buy parts that could be randomly discounted if you have partially the budget to buy it

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, Millios said:

1) germany is just closer in pricing in MOST of the stuff im looking at (difference just is the smallest between them all) ill look for italy as it might be close or at least relative but romania is just so different in both currency and laws that it would be like a false positive.(for context many move or work at romania and countries like cyprus cause its laws and taxes concerning foreign companies are incredibly beneficial or that flexible)

2)Isnt msrp a good way to know about how much it should be? Nvidia aside cause stuff like the 4060 is horribly priced regardless wouldnt it help to gauge if its good pricing for stuff like intel or amd gpus or higher ends like the 4070 super?

I suppose you can order from all of the EU with rather small delivery fees (unless it's a big thing like a case) and no tax issue at all

I'm in France and I can get a German X670 board (200EUR ish) for 7EUR delivery, or a 7900XT GPU (750EUR) 10 EUR delivery, as examples...

[Millios]

7 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

I suppose you can order from all of the EU with rather small delivery fees (unless it's a big thing like a case) and no tax issue at all

I'm in France and I can get a German X670 board (200EUR ish) for 7EUR delivery, or a 7900XT GPU (750EUR) 10 EUR delivery, as examples...

Man i wish i could but we have import laws that screw me over. We have to pay extra for it to arrive, i have to pay for a third party cause amazon and others dont deliver to us so thats extra and because its electronics (electronics are more expensive to pass in the country)  they have to pass domestic control which they charge ME extra for and itll take a few extra weeks at a time so a 100 euro delivery in 4-10 days could go to a 200 euro delivery in 4 weeks at the earliest

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, Millios said:

Man i wish i could but we have import laws that screw me over. We have to pay extra for it to arrive, i have to pay for a third party cause amazon and others dont deliver to us so thats extra and because its electronics (electronics are more expensive to pass in the country)  they have to pass domestic control which they charge ME extra for and itll take a few extra weeks at a time so a 100 euro delivery in 4-10 days could go to a 200 euro delivery in 4 weeks at the earliest

That's weird, thought you were in Greece,  EU single market should apply so no inspection crap and such ?

 

[Millios]

14 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

That's weird, thought you were in Greece,  EU single market should apply so no inspection crap and such ?

 

I am in greece however ive checked it for some other stuff a while back and amazon.de doesnt deliver many things directly sadly.

As for the inspection idk if they intentionally want to screw the ppl over or if they think every foreign nation has spyware or is comprised of dangerous ppl but unless i manually bring it and force them to inspect anything from outside the country itll take quite a bit longer cause our politics are that good

[Millios]

17 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

That's weird, thought you were in Greece,  EU single market should apply so no inspection crap and such ?

 

Correction: recently amazon.de started shipping to greece so that eliminates the 3rd party however its iffy as to what gets checked aka delayed and charged more and what doesnt even tho its within EU for some reason

[freeagent]

My Thermalright AIO's are stronger than my Thermalright air coolers.

[NorKris]

On 5/27/2024 at 2:24 PM, freeagent said:

My Thermalright AIO's are stronger than my Thermalright air coolers.

im so confused i dont know where to start  XD

[freeagent]

29 minutes ago, NorKris said:

im so confused i dont know where to start  XD

It is something that I have said right from the start lol..

 

Now other AIO's vs my Thermalright coolers is another story..