Going from 11600k to 7800X3D (Upgrade mainly for gaming but also for Davinci Resolve)

[Vojtess]

Budget (including currency): 800 €

Country: Czech Republic

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mainly gaming (1440p 165hz), Hobby use of Davinci Resolve (Paid version) 

Other details:

Hello, I would like to ask if this is a good idea to upgrade. My GPU is heavily bottlenecked by my i5 11600k. Therefore, I have decided that I want to upgrade my CPU and go for the AM5 platform due to the fact that I like this generation of AMD CPUs and their overall gaming performance. However, before I do that, I wanted to ask if I will harm my productivity in Davinci Resolve by making this upgrade. I reckon the paid version of Davinci is heavily dependent on GPU rather than CPU, where my 4080 should do the job just fine. Also, going from a 6-core to an 8-core CPU should still be better for my productivity. So, if somebody could give me their input, that would be highly appreciated. I just think this upgrade will overall help both gaming and productivity.

Current build:

CPU 11600K

32 GB ram DDR4

Motherboard: Z590 MSI PRO WIFI

GPU: 4080 Ventus

Overall 3 TB of storage (gen 3 SSDs)

PSU: MSI MEG Ai1300P PCIE5

 

Planned upgrade:

CPU: 7800X3D

Ram: 32GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30

Motheboard: MSI B650 TOMAHAWK

GPU, PSU and storage will remain same

 

 

[Tan3l6]

1 hour ago, Vojtess said:

However, before I do that, I wanted to ask if I will harm my productivity in Davinci Resolve by making this upgrade.

You won't get as big performance uplift in Davinci than in games, but it would be an uplift still. Upcoming this year is Zen 5 that also uses AM5, so the upgrade path is open also.

Quite nice path of upgrade.

[TatamiMatt]

12 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

Budget (including currency): 800 €

Country: Czech Republic

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mainly gaming (1440p 165hz), Hobby use of Davinci Resolve (Paid version) 

Other details:

Hello, I would like to ask if this is a good idea to upgrade. My GPU is heavily bottlenecked by my i5 11600k. Therefore, I have decided that I want to upgrade my CPU and go for the AM5 platform due to the fact that I like this generation of AMD CPUs and their overall gaming performance. However, before I do that, I wanted to ask if I will harm my productivity in Davinci Resolve by making this upgrade. I reckon the paid version of Davinci is heavily dependent on GPU rather than CPU, where my 4080 should do the job just fine. Also, going from a 6-core to an 8-core CPU should still be better for my productivity. So, if somebody could give me their input, that would be highly appreciated. I just think this upgrade will overall help both gaming and productivity.

Current build:

CPU 11600K

32 GB ram DDR4

Motherboard: Z590 MSI PRO WIFI

GPU: 4080 Ventus

Overall 3 TB of storage (gen 3 SSDs)

PSU: MSI MEG Ai1300P PCIE5

 

Planned upgrade:

CPU: 7800X3D

Ram: 32GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30

Motheboard: MSI B650 TOMAHAWK

GPU, PSU and storage will remain same

 

 

As @Tan3l6 said Zen 5 will be out later this year, so id either wait til that comes out to purchase that, or wait til that comes out so Zen 4 will drop in price, either way, you'll have slightly better price to performace

[jaslion]

There will be an uplift in max fps in games that weren't gpu limited however it wont be massive simply because a 11600k isnt a bad cpu and can max a 4080 on more gpu heavy games.

 

Davinci it will also be a nice upgrade. Not massive but again a nice upgrade. Since its just hobby use it will be a welcome upgrade but maybr not even that noticable if you weren't doing anything too intense as davinci is VERY gpu accelerated.

 

What cooler will you be using? A budget one like the thermalright peerlesa assasin 120 will more than do. It is VERY good and costs not much.

[Vojtess]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

There will be an uplift in max fps in games that weren't gpu limited however it wont be massive simply because a 11600k isnt a bad cpu and can max a 4080 on more gpu heavy games.

 

Davinci it will also be a nice upgrade. Not massive but again a nice upgrade. Since its just hobby use it will be a welcome upgrade but maybr not even that noticable if you weren't doing anything too intense as davinci is VERY gpu accelerated.

 

What cooler will you be using? A budget one like the thermalright peerlesa assasin 120 will more than do. It is VERY good and costs not much.

I have the AIO MSI MAG CoreLiquid 240R V2, which I intend to reuse. A friend of mine has the same cooler as me, but in the 360 version. He will give me his mounting bracket for AM5 since he has Intel and has no use for it. So, it won't be such a drastic update then? I play a lot of new games and also many CPU-intensive ones, and sometimes I'm just saddened by the fact that my GPU is only around 70% utilized. So, I want to provide better support for my GPU and also AM5 due to AMD´s willingnes to support platform longer than Intel.

[Vojtess]

1 hour ago, TatamiMatt said:

As @Tan3l6 said Zen 5 will be out later this year, so id either wait til that comes out to purchase that, or wait til that comes out so Zen 4 will drop in price, either way, you'll have slightly better price to performace

I was also considering waiting. However, what I have heard that 9800x3d will be maybe next year. So that is why I am hesitant to wait. I want to upgrade probably in the start of the summer. I think AMD is suppose to have showcase of their new line up ?

[TatamiMatt]

2 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

I was also considering waiting. However, what I have heard that 9800x3d will be maybe next year. So that is why I am hesitant to wait. I want to upgrade probably in the start of the summer. I think AMD is suppose to have showcase of their new line up ?

If youd want to upgrade now, the 7800X3D will improve both gaming and DaVinci performance, and will set you up with DDR5 and an AM5 motherboard, so is largely up to you in that regard and you can maybe skip 9000series cpus and then go for the generation after that

[Vojtess]

Just now, TatamiMatt said:

If youd want to upgrade now, the 7800X3D will improve both gaming and DaVinci performance, and will set you up with DDR5 and an AM5 motherboard, so is largely up to you in that regard and you can maybe skip 9000series cpus and then go for the generation after that

That was the plan: to provide more power to my 4080 now, then skip a generation of CPUs, and perhaps later go for the 10800x3d. However, I wanted to switch to AM5 mainly because I'm concerned that Intel will continue their trend of requiring motherboard switches. I was just worried if the 7800x3d would hurt my workload in DaVinci Resolve. Thank you for your input

[jaslion]

28 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

I have the AIO MSI MAG CoreLiquid 240R V2, which I intend to reuse. A friend of mine has the same cooler as me, but in the 360 version. He will give me his mounting bracket for AM5 since he has Intel and has no use for it. So, it won't be such a drastic update then? I play a lot of new games and also many CPU-intensive ones, and sometimes I'm just saddened by the fact that my GPU is only around 70% utilized. So, I want to provide better support for my GPU and also AM5 due to AMD´s willingnes to support platform longer than Intel.

Are you getting enough fps to saturate your monitors refresh rate?

 

Just because one components isnt going 100% doesnt mean there is a problem.

 

Cpu cooler will work fine with a 7800x3d.

[Vojtess]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

Are you getting enough fps to saturate your monitors refresh rate?

 

Just because one components isnt going 100% doesnt mean there is a problem.

 

Cpu cooler will work fine with a 7800x3d.

Games like Helldivers 2, The Finals etc don´t get to my 165hz and none of the settings help me achieve that. Only exception is when game has frame game which mitigates the CPU bottleneck for me. Of course older games and games build on older engines than UE5 works mostly fine.

[jaslion]

Just now, Vojtess said:

Games like Helldivers 2, The Finals etc don´t get to my 165hz and none of the settings help me achieve that. Only exception is when game has frame game which mitigates the CPU bottleneck for me. Of course older games and games build on older engines than UE5 works mostly fine.

Then a 7800x3d will do you nicely.

[ChrisLoudon]

1 hour ago, Tan3l6 said:

You won't get as big performance uplift in Davinci than in games, but it would be an uplift still. Upcoming this year is Zen 5 that also uses AM5, so the upgrade path is open also.

Quite nice path of upgrade.

Interesting! I'd have maybe gone the other way with that.

 

The 4080 is no slouch so I would expect you to be GPU bound for most of the time and the 11600k is still a pretty good cpu.

 

I was draining my loops last weekend and had the opportunity to pop my 4090 in my 9900k system and was pleasantly surprised how well things performed.

 

I tend to game at 4k @ 120hz and don't care about ultra fast fps as I'm more of an eye candy kinda guy.

 

Your 1% and 0.1% lows will likely see a big increase if you upgrade the CPU. My 9900k did cause a few irritating stutters that I don't get with my 13600k

[Vojtess]

17 minutes ago, ChrisLoudon said:

Interesting! I'd have maybe gone the other way with that.

 

The 4080 is no slouch so I would expect you to be GPU bound for most of the time and the 11600k is still a pretty good cpu.

 

I was draining my loops last weekend and had the opportunity to pop my 4090 in my 9900k system and was pleasantly surprised how well things performed.

 

I tend to game at 4k @ 120hz and don't care about ultra fast fps as I'm more of an eye candy kinda guy.

 

Your 1% and 0.1% lows will likely see a big increase if you upgrade the CPU. My 9900k did cause a few irritating stutters that I don't get with my 13600k

That is also why I want to upgrade. In some game the 1% are really noticeable. Also when I get back to Helldivers on some planets and situations I am going around 110 fps. In some I am on 60fps. I would like overall smooth performance without the dips.

[ChrisLoudon]

4 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

That is also why I want to upgrade. In some game the 1% are really noticeable. Also when I get back to Helldivers on some planets and situations I am going around 110 fps. In some I am on 60fps. I would like overall smooth performance without the dips.

Yeh, that will likely be the cause of your issues as your 4080 will chew through frames like a hot knife to butter.

 

Not to add too much to the melting pot but have you considered staying with Intel?

 

My 13600k works perfectly with my 4090 so a 14600k would be a great gaming companion to a 4080 and its significantly cheaper than a 7900X3d.

 

I'm only talking about gaming btw. I don't do any productivity work.

[Vojtess]

13 minutes ago, ChrisLoudon said:

Yeh, that will likely be the cause of your issues as your 4080 will chew through frames like a hot knife to butter.

 

Not to add too much to the melting pot but have you considered staying with Intel?

 

My 13600k works perfectly with my 4090 so a 14600k would be a great gaming companion to a 4080 and its significantly cheaper than a 7900X3d.

 

I'm only talking about gaming btw. I don't do any productivity work.

I was considering that option, but since I would have to change the cooler due to not having the new mounting bracket for Intel, my choice leaned completely towards AMD. Additionally, I prefer the idea of being able to simply swap in a new CPU in the future without having to upgrade the motherboard, etc. While I've had no issues with Intel, I'm curious to give AMD a try. I was satisfied with AMD's performance on the Steam Deck, so I'm eager to see how it performs on a desktop. Also in my country 14600k is for 355 Euros and 7800x3d is for 396 Euros.

[brob]

2 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

I was considering that option, but since I would have to change the cooler due to not having the new mounting bracket for Intel, my choice leaned completely towards AMD. Additionally, I prefer the idea of being able to simply swap in a new CPU in the future without having to upgrade the motherboard, etc. While I've had no issues with Intel, I'm curious to give AMD a try. I was satisfied with AMD's performance on the Steam Deck, so I'm eager to see how it performs on a desktop.

 

If AM4 is any guide, AMD will be introducing new chipsets with new generations of AM5 CPU. Simply popping in a new generation CPU into an older generation motherboard may be less than optimal.

 

The DaVinci Resolve benchmark at https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_7800x3d_with_pcspecialist_review/10/ is interesting.

 

No doubt the 7800X3D is the optimal gaming CPU and a decent performer in Resolve.

[Vojtess]

3 minutes ago, brob said:

 

If AM4 is any guide, AMD will be introducing new chipsets with new generations of AM5 CPU. Simply popping in a new generation CPU into an older generation motherboard may be less than optimal.

 

The DaVinci Resolve benchmark at https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_7800x3d_with_pcspecialist_review/10/ is interesting.

 

No doubt the 7800X3D is the optimal gaming CPU and a decent performer in Resolve.

So when we are hypothetically speaking popping 10800x3d into b650 motherboard could be not optimal ? Great it still works in a good way. I guess the V cache is not utilized but still 8 cores help.

 

[TatamiMatt]

3 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

So when we are hypothetically speaking popping 10800x3d into b650 motherboard could be not optimal ? Great it still works in a good way. I guess the V cache is not utilized but still 8 cores help.

 

It wont be optimal, but it could also, with a BIOS update, run without issues. Thats moreso a question to be answered in future, we cant be sure it would run without a hitch at this point in time, especially saying the gen before that hasnt even come out yet

[Vojtess]

Just now, TatamiMatt said:

It wont be optimal, but it could also, with a BIOS update, run without issues. Thats moreso a question to be answered in future, we cant be sure it would run without a hitch at this point in time, especially saying the gen before that hasnt even come out yet

Ok, thank you for clarification mate.

[brob]

20 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

So when we are hypothetically speaking popping 10800x3d into b650 motherboard could be not optimal ? Great it still works in a good way. I guess the V cache is not utilized but still 8 cores help.

 

 

I just look at the history of AM4. Early motherboards had VRM completely inadequate for later CPU. Early chipsets were not compatible with later CPU. Newer AM4 motherboards have support for front panel USB-C. Etc. I just don't believe socket longevity should affect a platform decision.

 

[Vojtess]

6 minutes ago, brob said:

 

I just look at the history of AM4. Early motherboards had VRM completely inadequate for later CPU. Early chipsets were not compatible with later CPU. Newer AM4 motherboards have support for front panel USB-C. Etc. I just don't believe socket longevity should affect a platform decision.

 

Got it ! So overall it can be gamble and we can not know for sure if it will work. However, 7800x3d should still be superior choice for me when I am mainly gaming ain´t it ? It is possible that with 7800x3d and 4080 I will be satisfied for long time. Also I have seen on internet that even b650 motheboards have overkill VRM for that reason. However, I get what you mean.

[brob]

38 minutes ago, Vojtess said:

Got it ! So overall it can be gamble and we can not know for sure if it will work. However, 7800x3d should still be superior choice for me when I am mainly gaming ain´t it ? It is possible that with 7800x3d and 4080 I will be satisfied for long time. Also I have seen on internet that even b650 motheboards have overkill VRM for that reason. However, I get what you mean.

 

Definitely for a mostly gaming rig the 7800X3D is the optimal CPU choice.