Intel Arc A380 LP vs RTX 3050 6G LP

[skayqz]

Is this true?

[PDifolco]

Anything is better than a 3050, its value is absolutely terrible !  

[filpo]

21 minutes ago, skayqz said:

Is this true?

The 3050 6gb has a tighter bus, less vram and lower clocks than the 3050 8gb, which was quite a bit worse than the A580. The 3050 6GB seems to be one of the worst deals for GPUs I've seen over the last year. Even including the 40 series

Since the 3050 6gb is 100 euros more definitely go for the a380 

Edited February 19 by filpo

[YoungBlade]

The RTX 3050 6GB is about on par with the GTX 1060 in terms of performance according to TechPowerUp's review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb/31.html

 

The Arc A380 is generally more like a GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1650, so it would be slower outside of the rare games where Intel performs better than expected.

[skayqz]

2 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The RTX 3050 6GB is about on par with the GTX 1060 in terms of performance according to TechPowerUp's review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb/31.html

 

The Arc A380 is generally more like a GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1650, so it would be slower outside of the rare games where Intel performs better than expected.

so is the a380 better than the rtx 3050 6gb?

[Middcore]

Just now, skayqz said:

so is the a380 better than the rtx 3050 6gb?

He literally wrote the opposite.

 

that said the 3050 6GB is still a piece of shit.

 

 

[filpo]

Just now, skayqz said:

so is the a380 better than the rtx 3050 6gb?

in terms of price to performance? Yes. The 3050 6gb in that pic is 250 euros, which is about 60% more than the 3050 6gb. But the 3050 6gb is only about 35% or 30% better on average. If you're looking for best price to performance without a power connector then the a380

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

in terms of price to performance? Yes. The 3050 6gb in that pic is 250 euros, which is about 60% more than the 3050 6gb. But the 3050 6gb is only about 35% or 30% better on average. If you're looking for best price to performance without a power connector then the a380

Worth noting that ARC cards still seem to have some issues with drivers:

I haven't ran my A770 in a while (due to driver issues/shortcomings for what I've been playing/doing lately) so I can't speak on this in the games I play, which aren't usually tested in these videos.

[bal723]

15 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The RTX 3050 6GB is about on par with the GTX 1060 in terms of performance according to TechPowerUp's review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb/31.html

 

The Arc A380 is generally more like a GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1650, so it would be slower outside of the rare games where Intel performs better than expected.

a380 is more of 1650 super in my system in most games

[filpo]

7 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Worth noting that ARC cards still seem to have some issues with drivers:

I haven't ran my A770 in a while (due to driver issues/shortcomings for what I've been playing/doing lately) so I can't speak on this in the games I play, which aren't usually tested in these videos.

From what I've seen in this video, it's about where I'd expect. Overall, the a580 is at 3060 12gb levels of performance, a380 is at the bottom of the chart but it's also the cheapest GPU at $115 which is quite a bit less than the 6600's $190. I still think the 6600 is a better deal but if you don't have the power connector for the 6600, it could be a good idea. Since it's as cheap as it's counterparts but much newer and has more features. the a770 also seems to be getting a wider gap to the a750 which is desperately needed for it to be at least considered

 

I still might not consider it for OP in this case since A380 suffers from not having ReBar and, with no power connector, it's supposed to be focused at older, non pcie 4.0, low psu requirement systems

2 minutes ago, bal723 said:

a380 is more of 1650 super in my system in most games

no.

Edited February 19 by filpo

[IkeaGnome]

Also worth noting that if your platform isn't recent enough to support ReBAR (PCIE 4.0) then the Intel card is going to suffer. 

[bal723]

4 minutes ago, filpo said:

From what I've seen in this video, it's about where I'd expect. Overall, the a580 is at 3060 12gb levels of performance, a380 is at the bottom of the chart but it's also the cheapest GPU at $115 which is quite a bit less than the 6600's $190. I still think the 6600 is a better deal but if you don't have the power connector for the 6600, it could be a good idea. Since it's as cheap as it's counterparts but much newer and has more features. the a770 also seems to be getting a wider gap to the a750 which is desperately needed for it to be at least considered

 

I still might not consider it for OP in this case since A380 suffers from not having ReBar and, with no power connector, it's supposed to be focused at older, non pcie 4.0, low psu requirement systems

no.

these systems just werent optimized enough

[bal723]

4 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Also worth noting that if your platform isn't recent enough to support ReBAR (PCIE 4.0) then the Intel card is going to suffer. 

rebaruefi exists now, also rebar is supported not only on pcie 4.0 cpus

[8tg]

25 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The Arc A380 is generally more like a GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1650, so it would be slower outside of the rare games where Intel performs better than expected.

In my general experience with the one I own, it’s above the 6gb 1060 or usually on par with it at least. Especially in newer titles, but with driver improvements over the last year, it’s a lot more consistent.

3 minutes ago, bal723 said:

rebaruefi exists now, also rebar is supported not only on pcie 4.0 cpus

The a380 is like the rx6400 where it wants pcie 4.0 (and rebar) in order to perform at its best, and that’s where the issue for OP lies is that without those things on a Kaby lake platform, it’s going to have its performance cut down by a bit where the 6gb 3050 genuinely may perform better for them.

 

However, @skayqz just buy a secondhand GTX 1080 off of eBay as it’ll completely smoke the a380, or any 3050 variant, with an i5 7400 I wouldn’t really bother with new entry level when old high end will do better for you overall

[Agall]

44 minutes ago, skayqz said:

Is this true?

The only major reason to go with the RTX 3050 6GB is if you wanted it to run your media center to get RTX super resolution and HDR. Otherwise, it doesn't meet the minimum requirement for Chat with RTX, being 8GB of VRAM, which in my opinion won't allow it to retain value. 

 

If none of those features are useful to you, then the A380 is an extremely inexpensive alternative that can game comfortably. I have the Asrock A380 full height version and its a very capable dGPU for the price.

[YoungBlade]

15 minutes ago, bal723 said:

a380 is more of 1650 super in my system in most games

If so, you're lucky that your mix of games is favorable for Intel. If you look at reviews, at best on average across a range of games it's about at RX 570 levels. Which is what was seen in Gamers Nexus' review they just did, showing it often at half the performance of the RTX 3060 at best - right around RX 570 levels.

 

So if we bring that up to RX 580/GTX 1650/GTX 1060 levels of performance, then it matches the RTX 3050 6GB. Which is not good, unless the card is much cheaper, as Nvidia cards still command a premium over Intel or AMD, even with a garbage card like the RTX 3050 6GB.

 

28 minutes ago, skayqz said:

so is the a380 better than the rtx 3050 6gb?

No, I said that it's slower. Not a ton slower, but slower.

[filpo]

7 minutes ago, bal723 said:

these systems just werent optimized enough

Once again, no. In this pic the A380 is trailing behind the 6600 by about half

And when we go on techpowerup? Whaddya know?

then we look at other games, like RE4 where the 6600 is 2.5x better (equal to 250%) and that balances the scales out since the above is an average of games, not just one. Nvidia trails behind in this game specifically because of optimization I believe

 

[bal723]

Just now, 8tg said:

In my general experience with the one I own, it’s above the 6gb 1060 or usually on par with it at least. Especially in newer titles, but with driver improvements over the last year, it’s a lot more consistent.

The a380 is like the rx6400 where it wants pcie 4.0 (and rebar) in order to perform at its best, and that’s where the issue for OP lies is that without those things on a Kaby lake platform, it’s going to have its performance cut down by a bit where the 6gb 3050 genuinely may perform better for them.

 

However, @skayqz just buy a secondhand GTX 1080 off of eBay as it’ll completely smoke the a380, or any 3050 variant, with an i5 7400 I wouldn’t really bother with new entry level when old high end will do better for you overall

but a380 loses 1-3% cuz of pcie unlike rx6400, its just like rx 5500 xt

[filpo]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

but a380 loses 1-3% cuz of pcie unlike rx6400, its just like rx 5500 xt

once again, no. in more VRAM intensive games (so newer ones, fh5 is the example here) the a380 tanks with no pcie 4

Same with rebar

rebar absent

pcie 3.0

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, bal723 said:

rebaruefi exists now, also rebar is supported not only on pcie 4.0 cpus

Partially correct. It tends to rely on the motherboard to have PCIE 4.0 capabilities. 

Most people aren't going to know about rebaruefi or even bother to try to install it. 

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

but a380 loses 1-3% cuz of pcie unlike rx6400, its just like rx 5500 xt

Depends on the game. Some are 0%, but games like Forza are closer to 40%. 

Now, that's not to say it hasn't gotten better on newer drivers, but if it has, I want to see data before I change what I say. Facts can change. 

[bal723]

Just now, filpo said:

once again, no. in more VRAM intensive games (so newer ones, fh5 is the example here) the a380 tanks with no pcie 4

Same with rebar

rebar absent

pcie 3.0

atleast rebar became more available with rebaruefi

[bal723]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

Partially correct. It tends to rely on the motherboard to have PCIE 4.0 capabilities. 

Most people aren't going to know about rebaruefi or even bother to try to install it. 

Depends on the game. Some are 0%, but games like Forza are closer to 40%. 

Now, that's not to say it hasn't gotten better on newer drivers, but if it has, I want to see data before I change what I say. Facts can change. 

i should try forza to see it tbh

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

i should try forza to see it tbh

Feel free to. I'd love to see stats that prove me and @filpowrong. I'd love for Intel to be much more competitive than it is, and I do know it has gotten better, but benchmarks haven't been updated to reflect that. 

As far as rebaruefi goes, it hasn't gotten more accessible. 99% of people won't know it exists and the majority of the 1% that will know it exists won't even bother with installing it. 

[bal723]

2 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Feel free to. I'd love to see stats that prove me and @filpowrong. I'd love for Intel to be much more competitive than it is, and I do know it has gotten better, but benchmarks haven't been updated to reflect that. 

As far as rebaruefi goes, it hasn't gotten more accessible. 99% of people won't know it exists and the majority of the 1% that will know it exists won't even bother with installing it. 

ok, gonna try downloading forza now

[filpo]

5 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Feel free to. I'd love to see stats that prove me and @filpowrong. I'd love for Intel to be much more competitive than it is, and I do know it has gotten better, but benchmarks haven't been updated to reflect that. 

after a bit of searching I found a vid with the a380 on medium settings from 13 days ago. Don't quote me on it's reputability but it seems that they're getting around 70 fps at medium settings 

Comparing it to a video from 9 months ago, one from RandomgaminginHD who I trust more, got 80 fps at medium

A weird thing I found in the first pic is that at 4k, the a380 uses 6.8 gb of vram instead of maxing out at around 5.9gb. Could just be an error in msi afterburner tho

2 minutes ago, bal723 said:

ok, gonna try downloading forza now

use medium settings, just to compare it to the pics above

Edited February 19 by filpo