ryzen 7950x upgrade suggestions

[Tadziunia]

Hey guys, been using 7950x for a year now, got it because it was discounted a lot during holidays and was highest clocked zen 4 cpu. I had RTX 3080, then in april i got rtx 4090 which i had only for a month, i returned it to rma because of faulty heatsink from suprim x and got money back, decided not to buy it again. However conclusion was, that 7950x tuned with 6000mhz cl30 tuned ram was bottlenecking 4090 in games i play, i play mainly warzone 2 and fps wasn't higher compared to 3080 at competetive settings. Now my 3080 is at RMA because of artifacts and i am waiting for response. Got RTX 2080 for 180$ during summer as backup, currently plugged it and tried lowest settings and 7950x is bottlenecking rtx 2080 in wz2 its insane, how demanding call of duty becomes after each season becomes more and more demanding. I am really considering selling 7950x and maybe getting 7800x3D because somehow in cod even now it gets up to 300fps while 7950x can't exceed 160fps and rtx 2080 which is only used at 70%. Should i do it ? or should i wait for zen 5 and then upgrade ? Depending on what will be conclusion with RTX 3080, i will either keep it as is if it won't be fixed or if i get refund i will be buying 7900 xtx, however 7950x will be holding it back too. Give me your thoughts? why cod hates AMD cpus so much

[Shimejii]

This entire post  seems to be a massive warning to those who have the feeling of missing out and then regret their purchase. 

 

7950x is not a gaming CPU, its a production CPU that can also game very well. If you were just gaming then the 7800x3D Made way more sense buying at the time then a 7950x. 

 

7950x is not bottlenecking a 2080. Are there some games that prefer the 3DVCACHE on the 5800x3d/7800x3d? Yes. You arent missing out on much, i would wait 1-2 years for a big enough upgrade to matter. You can certainly try selling the CPU, take the 200-300$ loss more then likely and buy a 7800x3D and then get that small boost, or you can simply play a much better game then COD

[191x7]

1080p?

[Tadziunia]

4 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

This entire post  seems to be a massive warning to those who have the feeling of missing out and then regret their purchase. 

 

7950x is not a gaming CPU, its a production CPU that can also game very well. If you were just gaming then the 7800x3D Made way more sense buying at the time then a 7950x. 

 

7950x is not bottlenecking a 2080. Are there some games that prefer the 3DVCACHE on the 5800x3d/7800x3d? Yes. You arent missing out on much, i would wait 1-2 years for a big enough upgrade to matter. You can certainly try selling the CPU, take the 200-300$ loss more then likely and buy a 7800x3D and then get that small boost, or you can simply play a much better game then COD

I set wz2 to 720p and ultra performance dlss to just see whats the situation with cpu usage performance and i am only seeing 150-160fps with drops below it, and 2080 is only used at 70% thats why i am saying its bottlenecking and its same fps i saw with rtx 3080 and 4090 later on, when cod launched 7950x got 200fps+ and now its performing near my backup x99 xeon e5 2696v3 turbot boost moded 3.8ghz all core 18 core cpu. Either xeon is extremely good or zen 4 is bad  When i bought 7950x , X3d CPUs wasn't launched yet and when they did, 7800x3D cost 520eur, while i paid 560eur for 7950x during christmass last year, now 7800x3D cost 380eur here. Interesting how much i would get for 7950x,nobody was selling any locally, no price to take example of, i did everything possible in tuning it undervolting and tuning ram, its just not even close to x3D parts in cod. I understand that overall, there are plenty of games where i won't be seeing such difference, however currently x3D parts are almost twice faster in cod somehow...in game i love to play  If we take a look at older HUB video considering cpu performance in wz2, 7950x was barely slower than 13900k and somehow they got 240fps~ in theirs charts, very very strange how wz2 wasn't so demanding at launch. Even 5800x3D is faster than my 7950x in this game. Just why

[Tadziunia]

14 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

1080p?

i have 3440x1440 monitor, however since my 3080 is still at rma, i plugged backup 2080 and for fun set everything to lowest 720p + dlss ultra performance to see how bad is warzone 2 performance and yet 2080 is only used by 70% and fps is not higher than 150-170fps, while something like 7800x3D gets up to 300fps somehow  ive seen more videos online people with 7700x and etc getting similar fps, but it only proofs, how inferior are not X3D parts  

[Shimejii]

6 minutes ago, Tadziunia said:

I set wz2 to 720p and ultra performance dlss to just see whats the situation with cpu usage performance and i am only seeing 150-160fps with drops below it, and 2080 is only used at 70% thats why i am saying its bottlenecking and its same fps i saw with rtx 3080 and 4090 later on, when cod launched 7950x got 200fps+ and now its performing near my backup x99 xeon e5 2696v3 turbot boost moded 3.8ghz all core 18 core cpu. Either xeon is extremely good or zen 4 is bad  When i bought 7950x , X3d CPUs wasn't launched yet and when they did, 7800x3D cost 520eur, while i paid 560eur for 7950x during christmass last year, now 7800x3D cost 380eur here. Interesting how much i would get for 7950x,nobody was selling any locally, no price to take example of, i did everything possible in tuning it undervolting and tuning ram, its just not even close to x3D parts in cod. I understand that overall, there are plenty of games where i won't be seeing such difference, however currently x3D parts are almost twice faster in cod somehow...in game i love to play  If we take a look at older HUB video considering cpu performance in wz2, 7950x was barely slower than 13900k and somehow they got 240fps~ in theirs charts, very very strange how wz2 wasn't so demanding at launch. Even 5800x3D is faster than my 7950x in this game. Just why

 

You simply are not doing things right. Plain and simple you are wrong, you are doing thing s VERY wrong if a 7950x performs anywhere close to a xeon cpu from that era. This is one of those massive user errors that blames the tool when they themselves are to blame.

 

COD has updates that can break the game and the frame rates. Its not really a good game to begin with, but with the many issues it has, you need to test other games or use 3D Mark to make sure it is performing as it should.

 

7950x is more then adequate for a 4090, you having issues means you have to see what exactly is causing it. What is your cooler on the cpu? What are your thermals, is it throttling due to them. Are your drivers up to date, what tuning have you done on the CPU in bios if any at all. Things that generally have to be tested and seen before just making a dumb statement like "Zen 4 is bad" because of lack of knowhow or knowledge. 

 

 

720p Is not a resolution you test to see performance, again that is one of those things that is simply a waste of time for this type of part. 

[Tadziunia]

14 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

 

You simply are not doing things right. Plain and simple you are wrong, you are doing thing s VERY wrong if a 7950x performs anywhere close to a xeon cpu from that era. This is one of those massive user errors that blames the tool when they themselves are to blame.

 

COD has updates that can break the game and the frame rates. Its not really a good game to begin with, but with the many issues it has, you need to test other games or use 3D Mark to make sure it is performing as it should.

 

7950x is more then adequate for a 4090, you having issues means you have to see what exactly is causing it. What is your cooler on the cpu? What are your thermals, is it throttling due to them. Are your drivers up to date, what tuning have you done on the CPU in bios if any at all. Things that generally have to be tested and seen before just making a dumb statement like "Zen 4 is bad" because of lack of knowhow or knowledge. 

 

 

720p Is not a resolution you test to see performance, again that is one of those things that is simply a waste of time for this type of part. 

I daubt i lack knowledge since ive been building pcs for people and myself for 10years + with tuning learned from buildzoid and others, i even gave guidelines to techyescity(Bryan) considering x99 xeon tuning and i build and modded many chinese x99 boards and cpu's. I have all tools needed, and i spend weaks in finding correct stable values for undervolt 7950x and i did the same when i had zen 3, zen 2 and even zen 1. Considering cooling i am using arctic 420mm aio and my tuned 7950x gets 40k+ points in cinebench r23, Funny thing is that C state limiter in 7950x never got away, no matter what all cores won't be exceeding 5.5ghz, talked with asrock, they said they can't do anything because it's AMD agesa introduced limit, c state limit wasn't there in release bios it was introduced in agesa 1.0.0.2, cpu would be boosting up to 5.8ghz all core  with release agesa, just sad that for some reason AMD decided to limit all zen 4 cpu's to maximum 5.5ghz, Anyway even that didn't help, i had 200-220fps with my combo in early wz2 launch it was fine and well within what my rtx 3080 could do, however my e5 2696v3 tuned could do 120-140fps at same time, not sure how it performce now, need to get wz2 install to that backup pc. However main thing is that after each season zen 4 performance drastically drops. And this thing caused me going crazy, while intel cpus perform way way better. 

[191x7]

Don't do 720p, there's no CPU in the market capable of feeding a 2080 on the lowest 720p, not to mention a stronger GPU.

Play on your native resolution. You have a system which can handle it, and there's no chance of a bottleneck there.

[Tadziunia]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Don't do 720p, there's no CPU in the market capable of feeding a 2080 on the lowest 720p, not to mention a stronger GPU.

Play on your native resolution. You have a system which can handle it, and there's no chance of a bottleneck there.

i am maybe not telling whats the problem. I mean i only now have backup 2080 with native its nots bottlenecked, i just wanted to see what can 7950x do and it seems it can't and is not even close to what x3D parts can do in call of duty. Since i am not seeing any new frames from 3080 i had for 3 years, nor i saw difference from 4090, call of duty might be utterly optimzed game, but facts are facts that game hates zen 4

[Shimejii]

18 minutes ago, Tadziunia said:

I daubt i lack knowledge since ive been building pcs for people and myself for 10years + with tuning learned from buildzoid and others, i even gave guidelines to techyescity(Bryan) considering x99 xeon tuning and i build and modded many chinese x99 boards and cpu's. I have all tools needed, and i spend weaks in finding correct stable values for undervolt 7950x and i did the same when i had zen 3, zen 2 and even zen 1. Considering cooling i am using arctic 420mm aio and my tuned 7950x gets 40k+ points in cinebench r23, Funny thing is that C state limiter in 7950x never got away, no matter what all cores won't be exceeding 5.5ghz, talked with asrock, they said they can't do anything because it's AMD agesa introduced limit, c state limit wasn't there in release bios it was introduced in agesa 1.0.0.2, cpu would be boosting up to 5.8ghz all core  with release agesa, just sad that for some reason AMD decided to limit all zen 4 cpu's to maximum 5.5ghz, Anyway even that didn't help, i had 200-220fps with my combo in early wz2 launch it was fine and well within what my rtx 3080 could do, however my e5 2696v3 tuned could do 120-140fps at same time, not sure how it performce now, need to get wz2 install to that backup pc. However main thing is that after each season zen 4 performance drastically drops. And this thing caused me going crazy, while intel cpus perform way way better. 

All that to say you still dont know what you are doing wrong and still just making a blanket statement shows you just looked up a few vids and decided you know what you are doing and you couldn't possibly be wrong. 

 

Unless you are willing to look at yourself being in the wrong, this is a pretty pointless post. 

 

Something is quite clearly wrong with your testing if you are then only one getting those results out of all the people testing with similar hardware. If you are the outlier result, you must look at what you are doing to see what exactly went wrong. If all else fails, just wipe it all and start with a fresh windows install and try again. Reset bios back to stock settings, enable XMP/EXPO and do nothing for tuning. Just get your base results, then after you get your base results then do your tuning. See if what you are "tuning" is causing the issue. 

 

Again when most reputable people doing the tests are getting VERY different results from you, that should be an alarm bell going off saying "Maybe i am doing something wrong".

 

Your 40k in Cinnebench shows that your CPU at least can perform up to spec, so one test shows its not the CPU at fault. You must look at your ingame settings and see what could be causing it potentially, among other variables. Game updates that change settings to be different happen all the time in games like COD. You have to stay ontop of them or at least see when you start having issues what setting other people changed to fix it. Just blaming your hardware outright when its not the one at fault just makes you look silly. 

[Tadziunia]

1 minute ago, Shimejii said:

All that to say you still dont know what you are doing wrong and still just making a blanket statement shows you just looked up a few vids and decided you know what you are doing and you couldn't possibly be wrong. 

 

Unless you are willing to look at yourself being in the wrong, this is a pretty pointless post. 

 

Something is quite clearly wrong with your testing if you are then only one getting those results out of all the people testing with similar hardware. If you are the outlier result, you must look at what you are doing to see what exactly went wrong. If all else fails, just wipe it all and start with a fresh windows install and try again. Reset bios back to stock settings, enable XMP/EXPO and do nothing for tuning. Just get your base results, then after you get your base results then do your tuning. See if what you are "tuning" is causing the issue. 

 

Again when most reputable people doing the tests are getting VERY different results from you, that should be an alarm bell going off saying "Maybe i am doing something wrong".

Very odd statements from you, there is no issue, my tuning improved performance drastically and its the only reason why i spend weeks tuning and checking if my cpu is gold sample or not and its not sadly, for example in far cry 6 going from stock to undervolted and ram tuned using buildzoid timings, fps went from 165 to 190fps, same goes for warzone 2, without tuning i am getting 140-160fps, with tuning i am getting 160-180fps. I am confident in what i am doing, And always did, its not hard. And what i am getting is within performance people getting using 7700x/7600x during latest seasons in call of duty, it seems zen 4 is just not good enough for warzone 2 anymore and yeah we can blame game too, yet it doesn't solve why intel and x3D is so much better there. Frame chasers been saying it long time ago lol, no wonder he only builds intel systems with 8000mhz ram for his clients. His tuned intel systems are beating 7800x3D tuned system in call of duty too, also "AM dip" is real thing too. 

[Blue4130]

If you aren't playing at 720, then how is it relevant at all? Benchmark with the resolution that you are playing at. That is the ONLY thing that matters for you.

[Tadziunia]

7 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

If you aren't playing at 720, then how is it relevant at all? Benchmark with the resolution that you are playing at. That is the ONLY thing that matters for you.

i will repeat myself i am not playing at 720p, however at my native 3440x1440 with RTX 3080 and later with 4090 i didn't see any higher fps, it defeated purpose of having 4090 since cpu is too weak for it in warzone 2 and i saw no gain in fps compared to 3080 in that game.... going to get rid of 7950x, its just too weak for high fps gaming

[Blue4130]

4 minutes ago, Tadziunia said:

i will repeat myself i am not playing at 720p, however at my native 3440x1440 with RTX 3080 and later with 4090 i didn't see any higher fps, it defeated purpose of having 4090 since cpu is too weak for it in warzone 2 and i saw no gain in fps compared to 3080 in that game.... going to get rid of 7950x, its just too weak for high fps gaming

Let me rephrase it. Benchmarking at 720 is pointless. Benchmark at the resolution that you play at. That is ALL that matters.

 

And just so you know, 140 fps *IS* in fact high fps.

[Tadziunia]

2 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Let me rephrase it. Benchmarking at 720 is pointless. Benchmark at the resolution that you play at. That is ALL that matters.

 

And just so you know, 140 fps *IS* in fact high fps.

i just had to see situation with cpu performance hence thats why i used 720p, rtx 2080 is almost twice weaker than my 3080 and since my 3080 is gone in rma and am not sure when it will arrive back or will it at all, i had to simulate high cpu usage and nothing changed, zen 4 can't catch up with x3D parts or tuned 13900k/14900k ir this game. I understand that everywhere else difference ain't massive, however i was really sad when i got a chance to test 4090 and expected to see 250fps+ and 7950x couldn't deliver that 

[Blue4130]

23 minutes ago, Tadziunia said:

i just had to see situation with cpu performance hence thats why i used 720p, rtx 2080 is almost twice weaker than my 3080 and since my 3080 is gone in rma and am not sure when it will arrive back or will it at all, i had to simulate high cpu usage and nothing changed, zen 4 can't catch up with x3D parts or tuned 13900k/14900k ir this game. I understand that everywhere else difference ain't massive, however i was really sad when i got a chance to test 4090 and expected to see 250fps+ and 7950x couldn't deliver that 

Even the 13900k can't do 250 fps, why do you think a non-gaming focused cpu would?

 

https://www.techspot.com/article/2579-cod-warzone-2-benchmark/