Wi 11 worth it?

[johnno124]

I am planning on upgrading my PC soon with a 13th gen intel and new GPU. I will be doing a clean install of windows as part of it but what i want to know is if it is worth going up to 11 with it or sticking with my current win10 license. 

 

I guess i am just worried about issues given previous new versions of windows causeing issues particularly with gaming.

[RONOTHAN##]

I've been on 11 for a while now, no such issues to report. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are under the hood very similar, so if something works on one, it should just work on the other. The initial bugs with it have been mostly ironed out at this point, and since you are using 13th gen with the heterogeneous architecture, the better designed scheduler is much appreciated. Worst case scenario you can just roll back to Windows 11, the Windows 10 activation keys should work on both. 

 

Only things I have to complain about are UI related (I can't stand Windows 11's start menu), but with a few tweaks to fix the UI it looks and feels enough like Windows 10 that if I didn't know it was 11, I wouldn't figure it out. 

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, TimedPing said:

I'm still currently clinging on windows 10 even with my more modern hardware

To be fair, if I wasn't on 13th gen I wouldn't have made the move. This is only because I wanted to leave the E Cores Enabled and there were a few areas where they were causing issues on 10 but not on 11. I do feel like the UI is overall a downgrade (though the settings and file Explorer apps are admittedly a bit better) and not much else changed feature wise to make it worth the upgrade, it's just that the scheduler is useful enough to make it worth finding workarounds to the IMO bad UI on the chips that benefit from it. 

 

If you're not on heterogeneous CPUs (judging by your signature I don't think you are), I don't see a reason to make the switch unless you actually do like the new UI. 

[johnno124]

2 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I've been on 11 for a while now, no such issues to report. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are under the hood very similar, so if something works on one, it should just work on the other. The initial bugs with it have been mostly ironed out at this point, and since you are using 13th gen with the heterogeneous architecture, the better designed scheduler is much appreciated. Worst case scenario you can just roll back to Windows 11, the Windows 10 activation keys should work on both. 

 

Only things I have to complain about are UI related (I can't stand Windows 11's start menu), but with a few tweaks to fix the UI it looks and feels enough like Windows 10 that if I didn't know it was 11, I wouldn't figure it out. 

THe UI was also something i didn't like but at the same time i initially hated the win 10 ui as i had been using a win 8.1 laptop for 4 years prior to building my first desktop. 

 

What tweaks can be done to make it feel more like win 10 and are there any performance issues from doing it

[RONOTHAN##]

3 minutes ago, johnno124 said:

What tweaks can be done to make it feel more like win 10 and are there any performance issues from doing it

The big one is this:

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

 

It brings back the Windows 10 start menu, task bar, and the right click menu. There's a couple extra features it has, though those are the main ones I use. No real performance issues, though the task bar does take a bit longer to fully initialize after a startup. 

[dizmo]

I have Windows 11 on my new laptop, and I quite like it. I have all my most used apps in the center of my task bar anyway so the default layout makes sense to me.

 

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I've been on 11 for a while now, no such issues to report. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are under the hood very similar

that's kinda the problem,  all of the ui changes they did to make it more "modern" are terrible and make it a very clunky experience. 

 

also there are still a lot of teething problems apparently,  not to mention the whole "secure boot" tpm nonsense, which more or less seems to act like a rootkit... 

 

 

basically Microsoft continues to do the opposite of what people want, while removing options people are familiarized with.

 

that's the reason why its in steady decline as well (60% market share currently?)

 

Its soon gonna be obsolete,  thanks to "innovations" such as windows 8 and 11.... 12 doesn't look too hot either with "AI" sniffing your every step ... ~

[Mark Kaine]

21 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The big one is this:

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

 

It brings back the Windows 10 start menu, task bar, and the right click menu. There's a couple extra features it has, though those are the main ones I use. No real performance issues, though the task bar does take a bit longer to fully initialize after a startup. 

anything about disabling secure boot tpm and telemetry tho?

 

oh and the round corners!?

 

can i has aero too, please?

 

(still cant believe they disabled cortana?? the best search ever...

>.<)

 

 

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

anything about disabling secure boot tpm and telemetry tho?

You can do this when you create the installer with Rufus. Also, once it's installed you can just disable it anyway. It's only needed for the installation, not actually using it. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

oh and the round corners!?

Yes, it does have the ability to disable rounded corners. I don't really mind that though, so it's not something that came to mind immediately. 

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, Dean0919 said:

Start11 can remove round corners and remove gap between taskbar and start menu.

Same with ExplorerPatcher, but that has the benefit of being free and open source. 

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, Dean0919 said:

I'm a gamer and have approach to always have a new and latest software.

i mean to each their own but that's exactly why I'm on the best win ver ever... 

 

 

look how beautiful it is

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Dean0919 said:

They also removed seconds for time.

"Microsoft cancels seconds."

 

The headlines basically write themselves!  ~

 

[Alan G]

Earlier this year I put in an NVME drive for my OS and did a direct clone of the Win 10 to it.  I preserved the Win 10 install on the SSD and did a direct update to Win 11 on the NVME.  Yes, I know that clean installs are the way to go but I did not want to have to spend a day configuring a number of apps that I regularly used.  Everything went just fine and I've been using Win 11 exclusively.  the UI really does not bother me at all and I find some aspects of it better than Win 10.  I do mostly Office tasks, financial analysis, and photo editing and cannot comment from the perspective of gamers.

 

Certainly if I were doing a new build right now I would install Win 11 without question.

[RONOTHAN##]

3 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Rothan, I tried this ExplorerPatcher. Everything works fine but one thing - messenger app which I have usually on and use it daily, doesn't have red notification icon (badge) on it anymore when someone messages me and this thing is very important to me. Do you know if there's somewhere in settings to make it work again? I couldn't find it.

This isn't an issue I've run into, probably because I'm not using the same messaging apps you are (or it's because I keep all mine open on a second screen so it isn't even something I pay attention to and therefore didn't notice). Maybe try leaving it on the Windows 11 task bar instead and see if that fixes it?