14900K - Define 7 C vs Meshify 2 C vs Torrent C

[Melodist]

Would you either go for the Define 7 Compact, Meshify 2 Compact or Torrent Compact to run an Intel 14900K?

 

All fans will be replaced with Silent Wings 4 Pro.

 

Also an NH-U12A will do the cooling.

 

Thanks in advance

[IkeaGnome]

With the undervolting and power limiting you'd need to do to get a 14900k happy on a U12A why not just go with a 13500k, 13600k or a 14600k?

[rippy4500]

You need a better cooler for those i9s to run their best, get an nh-d15 at least or a 360mm aio.

[rippy4500]

14 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

With the undervolting and power limiting you'd need to do to get a 14900k happy on a U12A why not just go with a 13500k, 13600k or a 14600k?

Maybe he needs the i9? He didnt say what hes using it for.

[Melodist]

12 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

You need a better cooler for those i9s to run their best, get an nh-d15 at least or a 360mm aio.

Apparently the D15 under heavy load is worse than the 12A:

 

https://youtu.be/7o74u1u642I?feature=shared

[rippy4500]

3 minutes ago, Melodist said:

Apparently the D15 under heavy load is worse than the 12A:

 

https://youtu.be/7o74u1u642I?feature=shared

Interesting, either way both of them are probably not ideal unless you undervolt the cpu.

 

A 360mm aio is a better choice than either of them and the video you sent also says that as well.

[RevGAM]

1 hour ago, Melodist said:

Apparently the D15 under heavy load is worse than the 12A:

 

https://youtu.be/7o74u1u642I?feature=shared

That was done on a test bench, not in a case, and defies the results of numerous better testers. The U12A is a fine cooler but not THAT fine. Even Noctua ranks it just below the D15. The other coolers listed above the D15 in that video may not perform as well as indicated with that hot CPU, especially the Peerless Assassin. Check other reviews. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by RevGAM
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[Melodist]

26 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

That was done on a test bench, not in a case, and defies the results of numerous better testers. The U12A is a fine cooler but not THAT fine. Even Noctua ranks it just below the D15. The other coolers listed above the D15 in that video may not perform as well as indicated with that hot CPU, especially the Peerless Assassin. Check other reviews. 

Hm so you're saying he's doing something wrong?

 

Anyhow, what about my case question?

[RevGAM]

1 hour ago, Melodist said:

Hm so you're saying he's doing something wrong?

 

Anyhow, what about my case question?

I'm just going to make some observations regarding the use of test benches to provide reviews and evaluations to end users. These are based on inferences, logic and my incomplete understanding of science. I do not pretend to be an expert and I have not yet done any cooler testing as I lack tools and coolers require a bigger outlay of cash. Since my ethics prevent me from striking deals with sponsors, manufacturers and vendors without rules that some of them would (strongly) disagree with, I am the only source of funding, so I can't really afford to go into cooler testing at this time. I would never accept samples directly from manufacturers for testing purposes because some companies send "golden samples" that will distort test results, meaning that the results may not be what most people will experience, and that could cause people to question my test results - because the company manipulated the results. That said...

1. A test bench that is horizontal has heat flowing upward (away from the mobo and components). Many computer users choose to buy vertical cases, so the results are not representative for them.
2. The same is true for vertical test benches.
3. A diagonal one produces results that are different from almost all cases.
4. Heat collects in turbulent and "dead" areas of a case, such as between the PSU shroud and GC, whereas this is not possible with a test bench.
5. Cases, except those partial cases with open sides/top, have very different airflow from test benches, especially because of case fans.
6. A test bench without fans blowing across it will achieve different results because it relies entirely/mostly on convection, the natural movement of heat upward.
7. Even if there is an AIO mounted on the test bench, its position relative to the rest of the parts is sometimes diagonal, which will alter results.
8. The argument of comparable is irrelevant because, when comparing different cases, it is impossible to achieve truly comparable results other than in a very general sense, even if the components are the same. If comparing coolers, however, the results are going to be "consistent" with each other, but not with testing in a bench.
9. For these and other reasons, any test bench results are less useful to consumers, as evidenced by the rank of the D15 in that video.
10. For that matter, lab quality testing, or even testing done in a PC where everything is locked down to eliminate confounding factors gives results that are themselves inconsistent with real-world experiences.
11. And then there are the manufacturers that lie about their products, swap components to cheaper ones after lots of positive reviews and don't tell the public, and other shady tactics (like Nvidia deprecating GC features by turning off or decreasing them in a new driver release).

I have never used any of those cases, so I can only make statements based on what I can see. You'd do better watching reviews. Personally, I would not get the Define 7 - it looks like it will run hot. I think the Torrent is better than it but it looks like the Meshify might have the best cooling power.

 

If you really want to keep it cool, discard the idea of solid sides and get a full mesh case, or at least one with a side panel that you can attach a fan to in order to either pull cool air in or out. That is if your goal truly is to keep your CPU from thermal throttling. For example:
ASUS Prime AP201

darkFlash DLC29 Full Mesh, DLH21 Mini-ITX

SAMA IM01PRO Black Iron Mesh Panel Micro ATX Tower

There are others but my time is running out. I hope that helps!