Picking a new cpu

[LivePerkins77]

I have a 5600x and want to upgrade to ddr5 platform. Can't figure out to go with the 12900k or the 7700x. I already have a D-15 for a CPU cooler. Suggestions?

 

Mainly use it for gaming and some streaming. Running a 2070 I plan on upgrading to a 3090.

 

I'll be buying it at microcenter and getting the ram and motherboard combos which are the exact same price.

 

 

(So have decided I'm gonna go to the 5800x3d when the prices of it drop.

Thanks for all the advice from everyone:) )

Edited October 2, 2023 by LivePerkins77

[TylerD321]

Well, first we need to know your use case. Do you build computers every couple of years or do you try to get the most life out of your machine and then replace it when it is no longer useful? What do you use your pc for? What resolution do you run at? What GPU do you have? PSU?

[filpo]

9 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

I have a 5600x and want to upgrade to ddr5 platform. Can't figure out to go with the 12900k or the 7700x. Suggestions?

The 7700 most likely

Try this

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£308.96 @ Box Limited) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£199.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (£108.05 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £616.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-02 15:43 BST+0100

[Dedayog]

11 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

I have a 5600x and want to upgrade to ddr5 platform. Can't figure out to go with the 12900k or the 7700x. Suggestions?

Where do you live?  Some regions have pricing that impacts that choice.

[LivePerkins77]

15 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

Well, first we need to know your use case. Do you build computers every couple of years or do you try to get the most life out of your machine and then replace it when it is no longer useful? What do you use your pc for? What resolution do you run at? What GPU do you have? PSU?

I run at 1080p and plan on going to 1440p. 

Gaming and some streaming. And have a 2070 plan on moving to a 3090

[PDifolco]

19 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

I have a 5600x and want to upgrade to ddr5 platform. Can't figure out to go with the 12900k or the 7700x. Suggestions?

They're not comparable, and drop the 12th gen

It's 7700 vs 13600K or 7950X vs 13900K

It depends on what you do, but I would take AMD anyway, 7600X for entry budget, 7800X3D for gaming, 7950X for productivity, or 7950X3D for anything

Ryzen chips are as good, platform will be upgradable, and they're even more efficient

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

I run at 1080p and plan on going to 1440p. 

Gaming and some streaming. And have a 2070 plan on moving to a 3090

Is there a reason you're looking at older stuff?  3090's are superceded by a lot.

[LivePerkins77]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Is there a reason you're looking at older stuff?  3090's are superceded by a lot.

Evga

[Middcore]

3 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

Evga

 

EVGA cards were never inherently better than anybody else's, they just had relatively good customer service. 

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

Evga

It won't help them anyway they've already sold all their cards...and won't be good now for support !!

Get a 4070Ti or 7800XT, better, cheaper and more efficient

There's really not that much of a difference between cards manufacturers, I've got EVGA, Gigabyte, PNY, Asus, they work the same

 

[Tetras]

30 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

Can't figure out to go with the 12900k or the 7700x. Suggestions?

The 12900K has significantly better multicore performance, but a 13700K is stronger than the 12900K in games and multicore.

 

34 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

Mainly use it for gaming and some streaming. Running a 2070 I plan on upgrading to a 3090

 

Guru3D used a 3090 in their review here.

 

FYI: 7700 includes a usable air cooler, which the 7700X does not.

[venomtail]

Why do you need a whole new DDR5 platform? Just upgrade to a 5800X3D for a fraction of the cost a whole new system's gonna cost you. Not like that chip struggles with games, streaming or even rendering.

[MadAnt250]

Because answers are allover the place, but could be valid, I'm just going to pick one of the two choices you gave.

 

Just for the heck of it.

Spoiler

i9-12900K

 

[LivePerkins77]

17 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

It won't help them anyway they've already sold all their cards...and won't be good now for support !!

Get a 4070Ti or 7800XT, better, cheaper and more efficient

There's really not that much of a difference between cards manufacturers, I've got EVGA, Gigabyte, PNY, Asus, they work the same

 

The point is to own evgas last run of cards and ofc have the most powerful one they made. Other than the 3090ti which is significantly more expensive

 

And I'm also taking a stance of not buying Nvidia 4000 cards. 

Edited October 2, 2023 by LivePerkins77

[LivePerkins77]

1 minute ago, MadAnt250 said:

Because answers are allover the place, but could be valid, I'm just going to pick one of the two choices you gave.

 

Just for the heck of it.

  Hide contents

i9-12900K

 

Thank you

[LivePerkins77]

2 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Why do you need a whole new DDR5 platform? Just upgrade to a 5800X3D for a fraction of the cost a whole new system's gonna cost you. Not like that chip struggles with games, streaming or even rendering.

Bc ddr5 and the upgrade path for 7000 series and 12th is gonna be more then last gen for ddr4

[venomtail]

Just now, LivePerkins77 said:

Bc ddr5 and the upgrade path for 7000 series and 12th is gonna be more then last gen for ddr4

So you're upgrading merely because DDR5 exists?

[LivePerkins77]

Just now, venomtail said:

So you're upgrading merely because DDR5 exists?

No. I'm upgrading to Ddr5 since it's gonna have a longer life. Plus the new CPU series is going to have a upgrade path form amd and Intel. Like I can go from 12th gen to 13th gen and not have to worry about upgrading motherboard and etc. Or from 12th to 14th since they are gonna be the same socket. Plus ddr5 better than ddr4

[PDifolco]

7 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

The point is to own evgas last run of cards and ofc have the most powerful one they made. Other than the 3090ti which is significantly more expensive 

I don't think you will get one at a decent price, 3090 always were overpriced, but having a look at pcp the EVGA ones are $1300+ !!

and now even a $750 7900XT is faster ... 

[venomtail]

5 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

No. I'm upgrading to Ddr5 since it's gonna have a longer life. Plus the new CPU series is going to have a upgrade path form amd and Intel. Like I can go from 12th gen to 13th gen and not have to worry about upgrading motherboard and etc. Or from 12th to 14th since they are gonna be the same socket. Plus ddr5 better than ddr4

If you're worried about the lifespan of components shouldn't one first try and make their current system last as long as possible?

If you're lacking gaming performance a 5800X3D will go a long way.

If you're lacking workload performance, a 5950X will go a long way.

 

Sure they'll be a bit slower than the newest stuff but % wise not that bad.

 

£350-£450 vs $1000 is a pretty big difference just to spend cause the new things exists. Not like new gen's gonna disappear if you don't jump the ship now.

 

I just feel like you're about to needlessly spend a lot of money for no real gain than a mere CPU upgrade won't give you.

[LivePerkins77]

4 minutes ago, venomtail said:

If you're worried about the lifespan of components shouldn't one first try and make their current system last as long as possible?

If you're lacking gaming performance a 5800X3D will go a long way.

If you're lacking workload performance, a 5950X will go a long way.

 

Sure they'll be a bit slower than the newest stuff but % wise not that bad.

 

£350-£450 vs $1000 is a pretty big difference just to spend cause the new things exists. Not like new gen's gonna disappear if you don't jump the ship now.

 

I just feel like you're about to needlessly spend a lot of money for no real gain than a mere CPU upgrade won't give you.

All it's gonna cost me for either the 12900k for 7700x with mb and ram is gonna be about 400-430$. The 5800x3d on amazing is 330$

[Agall]

7 minutes ago, venomtail said:

If you're worried about the lifespan of components shouldn't one first try and make their current system last as long as possible?

If you're lacking gaming performance a 5800X3D will go a long way.

If you're lacking workload performance, a 5950X will go a long way.

 

Sure they'll be a bit slower than the newest stuff but % wise not that bad.

 

£350-£450 vs $1000 is a pretty big difference just to spend cause the new things exists. Not like new gen's gonna disappear if you don't jump the ship now.

 

I just feel like you're about to needlessly spend a lot of money for no real gain than a mere CPU upgrade won't give you.

I'd personally steer clear of AM4 outside of the budget end and there's pure hatred for Intel.

 

LGA1700 at the low end > AM4. Upgrading to a 5800x3D is fine, but not worth building a new platform for if you're not already running a PCIe 4.0 capable motherboard and have a solid 3200MHz 32GB kit of RAM.

 

2 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

All it's gonna cost me for either the 12900k for 7700x with mb and ram is gonna be about 400-430$. The 5800x3d on amazing is 330$

I'd consider the 13700k over the 12900k. It has better single and multithreaded performance, as well as an IPC gain. I'd say even the 13600k over the 12900k, unless you need the slightly better multithreading performance and can't simply go with a 13700k instead.

 

5800x3D in Q4 2023 is really only worth it as a drop in option, you'd be better off getting a 7600x and hoping for a 8800x3D next generation than building a 5800x3D from scratch. Unless you already have a maxed out motherboard and RAM but simply an older Ryzen AM4 CPU.

[LivePerkins77]

19 minutes ago, venomtail said:

If you're worried about the lifespan of components shouldn't one first try and make their current system last as long as possible?

If you're lacking gaming performance a 5800X3D will go a long way.

If you're lacking workload performance, a 5950X will go a long way.

 

Sure they'll be a bit slower than the newest stuff but % wise not that bad.

 

£350-£450 vs $1000 is a pretty big difference just to spend cause the new things exists. Not like new gen's gonna disappear if you don't jump the ship now.

 

I just feel like you're about to needlessly spend a lot of money for no real gain than a mere CPU upgrade won't give you.

Thank you for your input I'll keep that in mind

[LivePerkins77]

10 minutes ago, Agall said:

I'd personally steer clear of AM4 outside of the budget end and there's pure hatred for Intel.

 

LGA1700 at the low end > AM4. Upgrading to a 5800x3D is fine, but not worth building a new platform for if you're not already running a PCIe 4.0 capable motherboard and have a solid 3200MHz 32GB kit of RAM.

 

I'd consider the 13700k over the 12900k. It has better single and multithreaded performance, as well as an IPC gain. I'd say even the 13600k over the 12900k, unless you need the slightly better multithreading performance and can't simply go with a 13700k instead.

 

5800x3D in Q4 2023 is really only worth it as a drop in option, you'd be better off getting a 7600x and hoping for a 8800x3D next generation than building a 5800x3D from scratch. Unless you already have a maxed out motherboard and RAM but simply an older Ryzen AM4 CPU.

Thank you. 

[PDifolco]

33 minutes ago, LivePerkins77 said:

All it's gonna cost me for either the 12900k for 7700x with mb and ram is gonna be about 400-430$. The 5800x3d on amazing is 330$

Huh tell us where, a 12900K alone is $330+ !