Building new rig with MSI RTX 4090 Supreme X

[Nodin]

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Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming and some video and 3D rendering

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Hi everyone, so i already have the GPU, my first question is should i go with AMD Ryzen 9 7950x or wait for the new intel i9-13900K refresh (i9-14900K)? I read online that AMD 7950x has slightly better scores in rendering than i9-14900K and also we know that AMD will support their AM5 socket in the future while Intel will move one from 1700 Socket with their next cpu line. And my second question is which PSU to buy, would you suggest Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 13 1300W or 1600W (80 Plus Titanium both), or Corsair HX1500i 1500W (80 Plus Platinum).

P.S. im thinking to go with Lian-Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL for a chassis, and with MSI MEG z790 ACE MAX (if I'll go with intel) and ASUS ROG Crosshair x670E (if I'll go with AMD)

Please note that this is my second build my first was around 10 years ago.

[filpo]

3 minutes ago, Nodin said:

would you suggest Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 13 1300W or 1600W (80 Plus Titanium both), or Corsair HX1500i 1500W (80 Plus Platinum).

Neither. I'd get an msi A1000G PCIE5

 

4 minutes ago, Nodin said:

P.S. im thinking to go with Lian-Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL for a chassis, and with MSI MEG z790 ACE MAX (if I'll go with intel) and ASUS ROG Crosshair x670E (if I'll go with AMD)

A b650 or b650e will suffice Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard (B650 AORUS ELITE AX) - PCPartPicker

4 minutes ago, Nodin said:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950x or wait for the new intel i9-13900K refresh (i9-14900K)?

Are you gaming at 4k? Or 1440p? If it's 1440p then get the 13900k. If it's 4k then get the 7950x

 

5 minutes ago, Nodin said:

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what's your budget and country (for the rest of the system not including the gpu)

[QuantumSingularity]

If gaming is your priority, only 1 CPU - 7800X3D. If workloads are more important, then the 7950X. For both CPUs even a 1000W PSU will be enough. If you however decide to go the 13900k route, 1300W Gold is the minimum you should get. That CPU easily can drain 300W+ when rendering in blender. Be sure to have a good motherboard with top tier VRMs. With AMD even a simple $150 mobo will do the job just as fine for both 7800X3D and 7950X.

 

for AMD i'd go with either the ASRock X670E Taichi or the Gigabyte X670E AORUS MASTER.

[PDifolco]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If gaming is your priority, only 1 CPU - 7800X3D. If workloads are more important, then the 7950X. For both CPUs even a 1000W PSU will be enough. If you however decide to go the 13900k route, 1300W Gold is the minimum you should get. That CPU easily can drain 300W+ when rendering in blender. Be sure to have a good motherboard with top tier VRMs. With AMD even a simple $150 mobo will do the job just as fine for both 7800X3D and 7950X.

There's also the 7950X3D that has all the advantages, and OP don't seem to be budget limited

[filpo]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If you however decide to go the 13900k route, 1300W Gold is the minimum you should get.

why? 1000w on a 13900k + 4090 is fine. And power consumption shouldn't go up TOO much in the coming generations of gpus and cpus (I really hope it doesn't)

 

2 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

That CPU easily can drain 300W+ when rendering in blender

but even if the render was using both the cpu and gpu (which is quite unrealistic) it'll 'only' be around 800w or 900 or 850. Which is OK but yes, with a higher wattage psu it would be better

[brob]

I don't think anyone has an accurate handle on i9-14900K performance. Lots of ru!ors, but that is all. Nothing on which to base a purchase decision.

 

Socket longevity is a red herring. We're you to get a current gen AM5 motherboard, what are the odds you would want to drop in a new $600 CPU in five years, forgoing USB 4, any VRM, chipset and other improvements?

 

[QuantumSingularity]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

why? 1000w on a 13900k + 4090 is fine. And power consumption shouldn't go up TOO much in the coming generations of gpus and cpus (I really hope it doesn't)

 

but even if the render was using both the cpu and gpu (which is quite unrealistic) it'll 'only' be around 800w or 900 or 850. Which is OK but yes, with a higher wattage psu it would be better

Yes, but transient spikes on the 4090 go as high as 890W. During transience with 13900k under some load, it can easily overwhelm a 1000W PSU. Plus it won't be running anywhere near its most efficient range.

[Tetras]

33 minutes ago, Nodin said:

Hi everyone, so i already have the GPU, my first question is should i go with AMD Ryzen 9 7950x or wait for the new intel i9-13900K refresh (i9-14900K)? I read online that AMD 7950x has slightly better scores in rendering than i9-14900K and also we know that AMD will support their AM5 socket in the future while Intel will move one from 1700 Socket with their next cpu line.

Look at some benchmarks for the specific apps that you're using, e.g. here. The 7950X and 13900K are generally pretty close, but the stock power consumption and efficiency of the 13900K is usually quite a bit lower. That said, most people undervolt or power limit these CPUs nowadays, so things can get pretty blurry.

 

36 minutes ago, Nodin said:

and with MSI MEG z790 ACE MAX (if I'll go with intel) and ASUS ROG Crosshair x670E (if I'll go with AMD)

What features do you want from a board?

[brob]

16 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Yes, but transient spikes on the 4090 go as high as 890W. During transience with 13900k under some load, it can easily overwhelm a 1000W PSU. Plus it won't be running anywhere near its most efficient range.

 

Where are you getting the 890W? Perhaps that is total system power?

 

https://hwbusters.com/gpu/nvidia-rtx-4090-detailed-power-analysis-ideal-power-supply/

 

https://www.guru3d.com/review/geforce-rtx-4090-founder-edition-review/page-4/

 

[QuantumSingularity]

19 hours ago, brob said:

 

Where are you getting the 890W? Perhaps that is total system power?

 

https://hwbusters.com/gpu/nvidia-rtx-4090-detailed-power-analysis-ideal-power-supply/

 

https://www.guru3d.com/review/geforce-rtx-4090-founder-edition-review/page-4/

 

https://www.msi.com/blog/atx-30-the-best-power-supply-units-for-your-geforce-rtx-40-series

 

The highest spike i've witnessed myself was 855W in Cyberpunk 2077. AMD or Intel, if i build a system with a 4090 in it, i always go for 1300W PSU. Better for efficiency, better for stability, better for thermals and better for acoustics. The difference between a good 1000W  PSU and 1300W is like $50-$100.. it's not worth risking your system stability over $100 when you have a $1600 GPU inside.

[OhioYJ]

1 hour ago, brob said:

Where are you getting the 890W? Perhaps that is total system power?

While stress testing my system (13900k, 4090), I measured over 900 watts from just my PC (920 actually) without any overclocking. That wasn't a surge / peak, that was a continuous draw. I have the Gaming Trio 4090 in my machine (not the Suprim). I went with a 1600 watt PSU in my build.

 

Now I'll admit, that's under synthetic load, but if I could cool the 13900k properly, I'm pretty sure I could go further. To me it's clear the setup could overwhelm a 1000 watt PSU in some situations.

[Nodin]

5 hours ago, Tetras said:

Look at some benchmarks for the specific apps that you're using, e.g. here. The 7950X and 13900K are generally pretty close, but the stock power consumption and efficiency of the 13900K is usually quite a bit lower. That said, most people undervolt or power limit these CPUs nowadays, so things can get pretty blurry.

 

What features do you want from a board?

i see, thanks. Looks like 7950x is the winner, so I'll probably go with it. As for the features that i want mostly to have good ram speeds and and fast m2 ports

[Nodin]

5 hours ago, PDifolco said:

There's also the 7950X3D that has all the advantages, and OP don't seem to be budget limited

i don't want to go with 7950X3D because 7950x outperforms it in everything except for gaming because of 7950X3D massive cache. But thanks anyway

[Nodin]

5 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If gaming is your priority, only 1 CPU - 7800X3D. If workloads are more important, then the 7950X. For both CPUs even a 1000W PSU will be enough. If you however decide to go the 13900k route, 1300W Gold is the minimum you should get. That CPU easily can drain 300W+ when rendering in blender. Be sure to have a good motherboard with top tier VRMs. With AMD even a simple $150 mobo will do the job just as fine for both 7800X3D and 7950X.

 

for AMD i'd go with either the ASRock X670E Taichi or the Gigabyte X670E AORUS MASTER.

Looking at some benchmarks posted by @Tetras I'll probably go with AMD, but why are you suggesting other motherboards, i mean is the one that i want to go with not good? Thanks

[Nodin]

About the PSU i think I'll go with 1300W or 1500W just to be safe, i don't want to "choke" my power supply with CPU, GPU and all the rgb fans. Be quite guys have some PSU calculator that you can check out here and here are my results, it says maximum wattage requirement is 981 so lets say 1000W give or take.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

I would go with a cpu that's easier to cool since you already are getting a 4090. There's rarely a use case for CPU only rendering in mainstream render engines.

[Tetras]

12 hours ago, Nodin said:

As for the features that i want mostly to have good ram speeds and fast m2 ports

Hmm, I see. Then my opinion is that you're way overpaying for the board.

 

These are what I'd consider the "standout" features for those 2 boards:

 

ACE

- 10Gb LAN

- High-end audio with integrated DAC

- 1x DP over Type-C

 

Hero

- 2x USB4 / Thunderbolt on the rear I/O

- 2x PCI-E 5.0 SSD

- High-end audio with integrated DAC & DTS support

- Front panel USB Quick Charge (up to 60 watt)

 

If you don't need those features, I'd get something like the Asus TUF B650-Plus or B650 Tomahawk. They're both PCI-E 4.0 graphics, but the B650-Plus has 1x PCI-E 5.0 SSD and the Tomahawk has higher-end audio, including spdif. A compromise board would be Asus Strix B650E-F, which retains PCI-E 5.0 graphics and 1x PCI-E 5.0 SSD.

 

Since storage is rarely the bottleneck in the majority of workloads (though I don't know your workflow), I wouldn't bother paying extra for 2x PCI-E 5.0 SSD, since 1 should be plenty for any app that does meaningfully need/benefit from it.

 

With RAM speed, if you're using large amounts of memory, my understanding is that AM5 is more likely to be limited by the CPU than the motherboard and the X3D CPUs don't care that much anyway. The new AGESA may have changed things since this video:

 

 

[Nodin]

13 hours ago, Tetras said:

Hmm, I see. Then my opinion is that you're way overpaying for the board.

 

These are what I'd consider the "standout" features for those 2 boards:

 

ACE

- 10Gb LAN

- High-end audio with integrated DAC

- 1x DP over Type-C

 

Hero

- 2x USB4 / Thunderbolt on the rear I/O

- 2x PCI-E 5.0 SSD

- High-end audio with integrated DAC & DTS support

- Front panel USB Quick Charge (up to 60 watt)

 

If you don't need those features, I'd get something like the Asus TUF B650-Plus or B650 Tomahawk. They're both PCI-E 4.0 graphics, but the B650-Plus has 1x PCI-E 5.0 SSD and the Tomahawk has higher-end audio, including spdif. A compromise board would be Asus Strix B650E-F, which retains PCI-E 5.0 graphics and 1x PCI-E 5.0 SSD.

 

Since storage is rarely the bottleneck in the majority of workloads (though I don't know your workflow), I wouldn't bother paying extra for 2x PCI-E 5.0 SSD, since 1 should be plenty for any app that does meaningfully need/benefit from it.

 

With RAM speed, if you're using large amounts of memory, my understanding is that AM5 is more likely to be limited by the CPU than the motherboard and the X3D CPUs don't care that much anyway. The new AGESA may have changed things since this video:

 

 

That actually was really helpful, thank you very much. I thought to push to the max ram with this build but i see that there are a lot of limitations especially with am5, so i have to rethink my approach and do a little more research regarding maximum memory capacity and speeds on each cpu

[Nodin]

22 hours ago, Kinda Bottlenecked said:

I would go with a cpu that's easier to cool since you already are getting a 4090. There's rarely a use case for CPU only rendering in mainstream render engines.

I will be using an aio water cooler so i don't think I'll have any issues there, but thanks nonetheless.