I5-13600K thermal throttling - Stats included

[Kurvsos]

Hi,

 

I've recently upgraded from i5-12400 to i5-13600k. And it's thermal throttling on 2 cores, giving about 2200 less score in Cinebench than "Average". 

 

I've reapplied the thermal paste twice to make sure that it's making full contact. So, might this be a CPU-Cooler problem? Is this cooler to tiny to efficiently cool the i5-13600k?

The cooler: Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO 2 x 120mm

Should I upgrade to: Noctua NH-D15

 

I'm really not good at this and would appreciate some feedback/help in the matter. Below are the IDLE/LOAD temps and cinebench score.

Let me know if there is any other info needed to diagnose this!

 

Idle temps

Idle temps seems to be okay?

 

 

During cinebnech

 

 

CINEBENCH SCORE

 

Thank you for any feedback and help!

[GOTSpectrum]

Honestly.... Intel have not had a grip on their power and thermals in ages. Need a better cooler imo

[Kurvsos]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

Honestly.... Intel have not had a grip on their power and thermals in ages. Need a better cooler imo

It says it's pulling 197-207w but max turbo is suppose to be 186w, so i found that quite weird too, unless there is something I'm missing.

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, Kurvsos said:

It says it's pulling 197-207w but max turbo is suppose to be 186w, so i found that quite weird too, unless there is something I'm missing.

Completely normal these days, TDPs are a lie (and kinda always have been) 

[xhackforeverxdx]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

Completely normal these days, TDPs are a lie (and kinda always have been) 

While i agree with that before u change the cooler try lowering the vcore (undervolt) i have a i9 13900kf and with stock voltage even a 360mm high end aio could not handel it 

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, xhackforeverxdx said:

While i agree with that before u change the cooler try lowering the vcore (undervolt) i have a i9 13900kf and with stock voltage even a 360mm high end aio could not handel it 

Honestly I know little about Intel CPUs, not sure how well they take undervolts, I know AMD cores take it well but my experience if Intel cores is outdated and back then they didn't take well to undervolts, which is why I just wanted for someone with more knowledge in that area. 

With that said, pushing a core right up to the red line but not technically throttling still isn't good 

[ChrisLoudon]

7 minutes ago, Kurvsos said:

Let me know if there is any other info needed to diagnose this!

Hi buddy,

 

my 13600k did the exact same thing as soon as I put the system together and that is even with a custom loop.

 

The out-of-the-box settings are getting out of control so I dialled back the Vcore and everything is working fine.

 

I can't remember how much of an undervolt I gave it but my P-cores are all running at 5.4 and my E-core as 4.4 and I can run Cinebench all day long and it won't go above 75c

[xhackforeverxdx]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Honestly I know little about Intel CPUs, not sure how well they take undervolts, I know AMD cores take it well but my experience if Intel cores is outdated and back then they didn't take well to undervolts, which is why I just wanted for someone with more knowledge in that area. 

With that said, pushing a core right up to the red line but not technically throttling still isn't good 

Mainboard stock settings are alot of times just pretty horrible on 13th gen having way to high vcore + a bad oc running from the factory 

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, xhackforeverxdx said:

Mainboard stock settings are alot of times just pretty horrible on 13th gen having way to high vcore + a bad oc running from the factory 

Good to know! 

 

Still that cooler is underpowered though IMO...

[ChrisLoudon]

2 minutes ago, xhackforeverxdx said:

Mainboard stock settings are alot of times just pretty horrible on 13th gen having way to high vcore + a bad oc running from the factory 

Yeh, its getting ridiculous! I thought I'd done something wrong. Within seconds my cores were up at 90+ with stock.

 

10 minutes ago, xhackforeverxdx said:

even a 360mm high end aio could not handel it 

360mm of rads should be fine as long as you knock off a few mV. Mine is cooled by a Quantum Surface 240 + 120 and no issues now.

[Kurvsos]

43 minutes ago, ChrisLoudon said:

Hi buddy,

 

my 13600k did the exact same thing as soon as I put the system together and that is even with a custom loop.

 

The out-of-the-box settings are getting out of control so I dialled back the Vcore and everything is working fine.

 

I can't remember how much of an undervolt I gave it but my P-cores are all running at 5.4 and my E-core as 4.4 and I can run Cinebench all day long and it won't go above 75c

What MOBO do you have? I can't seem to undevolt mine due to "Undervolt protection", Even tho it's disabled in my BIOS. I read that Intel has disabled "Undervolting" on raptor lake CPUs.

I got a: Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX DDR4 LGA 1700 ATX

[loony979]

For me & my 13600k, well im a lucky person to get temps at 80oC Cinebench running @ 5.6ghz. Cooling

is key in this chip & so is the undervolting of it as well. 1.298v for me. That big chunky 2 fan cooler sorry to say it but back in the day this would work wonders. (3570k days with a 4.4 ghz overclock i know as i did just that). Today with these chips from intel a serious undervolt and the multiplier at say 42 to 44 is probs all this cooler is gonna get you on a (non hot day for profile 1. in BIOS) profile 2. 38 to 40 just to make sure. Till you can get at least a thick 360 AIO. Then you can get going with that.

 

As said im lucky cus i use a 4 rad system & a Velocity 2 Block to get what i got. i can still go on tho im more then happy where it's at.

So if you know how to undervolt it & have a day to play around with it (carefully) test it out for what you got now

it helps to learn the chips behavior whilst doing this. Try to stay under 90oC running a test. Best of luck buddy you will get it going hard.

 

Cpu-z & Core temp programs running on top of CInebench just so you can check things as you go. oh and a great fan curve. Get the fans going just b4 those temps start to kick. Hope this helps man.

[TeraSeraph]

Op, if you don't have a contact frame I suggest you get one from Thermal Right. They cost very little and will reduce the IHS deflection that the stock ILM causes. So before you spend $100+ on a new cooler you might only need to spend like $15. I dropped 10C when I installed one on my 13600K and was having similar issues to you. 

[CryingWimp]

At 200w those temps are expected IMO. A lot of concentrated heat.

[ChrisLoudon]

8 hours ago, Kurvsos said:

What MOBO do you have? I can't seem to undevolt mine due to "Undervolt protection", Even tho it's disabled in my BIOS. I read that Intel has disabled "Undervolting" on raptor lake CPUs.

I got a: Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX DDR4 LGA 1700 ATX

Ahhh,

 

Mine is Z790 and I think the problem you're gonna have is the bulk of all OC related settings (inc voltage control but don't quote me on that) is only available on Z series.

 

Is there nothing regarding Vcore that you can tinker with?

 

Ideally, you're wanting to set a 'fixed value', not an 'Offset'.

 

Start at 1.3v (which is probably way too high) and work backwards running Cinebench at each settings to check stability.

 

 

[Ebony Falcon]

What mobo do you have ? 
22700 isn’t 2000 point short, average 13600k is around 23500 

 

also with a air cooler surly you expected this ? 
 

if you have a Z series board you can under-volt. I assume ur pulling around 200w under-load atm 

[unclewebb]

1 hour ago, Ebony Falcon said:

 

if you have a Z series board you can under-volt

Many Asus and Gigabyte B660 and B760 motherboards have an option available in the BIOS so you can run the early 0x104 microcode. This allows a user to disable Undervolt Protection so you can undervolt with zero loss in performance. 

 

If you try to undervolt with Undervolt Protection enabled, Cinebench performance will drop in half.

[Bagzie]

Had a look and that Arctic Freezer cooler is pretty close to a peerless assasin / ak620 and those are really close an NH-D15 so pointless to upgrade the cooler unless you are going AIO.

[loony979]

An AIO with 3 fans (hoping the case can fit it) can help a bit. Tho do make sure if you make a purchase of one of these units that the warranty is some what good. I havn't had 1 in many years was a corsair 1 back in the day it died on me the pump stopped (was lucky to have had a backup cooler) So don't get rid of that cooler you have in it now. Good to have back up's of stuff for pc's. Aio's now im not sure on them these days but hey at least you can get 1 with RGB and set a color you like. In terms of temps & performance, probs 20-30% better in both terms from it. Not cpu's full potential tho, but it can & should help. Grab a contact frame as well cheap. Im about to get 1 myself soon. Tho this is all up to you.

[AlwaysFSX]

Fixed my thermal throttling:
https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/produkte/522-cpu-contact-frame-for-12th-gen-intel-by-der8auer

 

13600k + NH-D12L